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Re: Transgender children [Re: ballsalsa]
#21914915 - 07/08/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: IVF is prohibitively expensive. but then again, anyone who can afford gender reassignment can afford all the other shit too probably. but little kids don't have sperm or eggs to freeze for later do they?(actually, they probably do have eggs, i'm not sure about the eggs)
Comprehensive medical care would store the sperm or eggs very early. Sex cells become viable very early, and puberty blockers wouldn't be administered until they are taken and stored.
Unfortunately, most people in this country don't have access to comprehensive medical care, but they should still have access to transition-related treatments such as hormones, which are very inexpensive.
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BlindSophist said: I wouldn't know the exact statistics. It tends to be pretty expensive, and to require a very long convalescence, so a lot of lower-income trans people never get it. IMO it should be covered by health insurance plans and hopefully it will be before long.
just from a practical standpoint, i would tend to think most stray from it due to the inadequacies of the treatment itself. i would rather have something i don't want than a mess i can't do anything with. then again i'm not transgendering so i haven't a clue what i'm talking about.
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"Asked us to call her a different disney princess name each day" (and then 'she' is a boy!)
Sorry, but this child needs psychiatric help
or maybe not nurtured enough in childhood, this is just crazy, really crazy
science has yet again gone too far, in order to "help people"
and people want "lots of help", help to get thin, help to be a kid all life, help to be a dolphin, or negro, or white
wanting to change the body starts with lack of self acceptance and that starts from psychological issues/lack of ones soul usually
my sympathy for the children though, but I think the parents LEAD the children into this thing else they wouldn't even know about it!
we've all tried hating our body, but this is just too far, insanity
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Re: Transgender children [Re: millzy]
#21914947 - 07/08/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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BlindSophist said: I wouldn't know the exact statistics. It tends to be pretty expensive, and to require a very long convalescence, so a lot of lower-income trans people never get it. IMO it should be covered by health insurance plans and hopefully it will be before long.
just from a practical standpoint, i would tend to think most stray from it due to the inadequacies of the treatment itself. i would rather have something i don't want than a mess i can't do anything with. then again i'm not transgendering so i haven't a clue what i'm talking about.
Yeah, no. Vaginoplasty actually is very effective and usually does not remove any sensation and it improves sexual functioning.
I can't speak for trans men, though, I haven't done nearly as much research regarding the surgeries they undergo but AFAIK that's where we get into it being a lot more complicated and not as effective. Trans women are lucky that way.
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Re: Transgender children [Re: lessismore]
#21914952 - 07/08/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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If science has all options
Then rich parents can just be at work, don't nurture their children
Then the children get broken in their minds from no nurturing in childhood, then they can just be paid hormonal treatment to extend childhood
we live in an insane world , but I'm not sure if it's the mothers parenting that was bad here, it could be, and then using science to correct it is just insane
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i was speaking from a man's point of view. the surgery seems destructive and ineffective from what little i know about it. i know even less about transgendering women stuff.
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Re: Transgender children [Re: millzy]
#21914958 - 07/08/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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millzy said: i was speaking from a man's point of view. the surgery seems destructive and ineffective from what little i know about it. i know even less about transgendering women stuff. 
You mean a trans man's point of view? It's a lot harder to build a functioning penis from a vagina than it is to build a functioning vagina from a penis. Again, the latter case is actually more frequently successful and has higher satisfaction rate than most surgeries of any kind.
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BlindSophist said: IMO it should be covered by health insurance plans and hopefully it will be before long.
by that logic, all plastic surgery should also be covered by insurance.
what if i'm uncomfortable with my nose? if trans people deserve a several-hundred-thousand dollar procedure and a lifetime of medication, don't i deserve a measly nose job? those are only like 5 grand
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Re: Transgender children [Re: Adolin]
#21914967 - 07/08/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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BlindSophist said: IMO it should be covered by health insurance plans and hopefully it will be before long.
by that logic, all plastic surgery should also be covered by insurance.
what if i'm uncomfortable with my nose? if trans people deserve a several-hundred-thousand dollar procedure and a lifetime of medication, don't i deserve a measly nose job? those are only like 5 grand
Sex reassignment surgery for trans women is not cosmetic or elective, it greatly improves the functioning of the sex organs. Hormone therapy is not cosmetic either, it improves mood regulation and social adjustment.
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how can the removal of a penis improve its functioning?
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Yeah, no. Vaginoplasty actually is very effective and usually does not remove any sensation and it improves sexual functioning.
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Huh. It's kind of a weird question, but what does the trans-vagina feel like? are most of the nerves and stuff put moved around with the skin?
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BlindSophist said: IMO it should be covered by health insurance plans and hopefully it will be before long.
by that logic, all plastic surgery should also be covered by insurance.
what if i'm uncomfortable with my nose? if trans people deserve a several-hundred-thousand dollar procedure and a lifetime of medication, don't i deserve a measly nose job? those are only like 5 grand
Sex reassignment surgery for trans women is not cosmetic or elective, it greatly improves the functioning of the sex organs. Hormone therapy is not cosmetic either, it improves mood regulation and social adjustment.
Sex reassignment improves job opportunities too in certain areas, maybe they should make a law so jobless people are forced to change sex if needed
You don't see many female construction workers i.e., so the females need to change sex so they can get that job instead of be unemployed
You don't see many female IT workers , so the females need to change to males too if they want such a work
And it should be forced, we can't have people who "dont want to work/are too lazy to work"
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Re: Transgender children [Re: Adolin]
#21914984 - 07/08/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It doesn't improve the functioning of the penis but it sure improves the hell out of the functioning of the vagina. Remember, most trans women experience their penis as something which is foreign to their body. Speaking from experience, I've stopped trying to use it for sex, I just get nothing out of it. It feels uncomfortable and weird and I can't get off from it because it feels like it's outside of my body.
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WELL LET'S JUST ALL CUT OFF OUR DICKS.
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Re: Transgender children [Re: millzy]
#21915009 - 07/08/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Another thing, it's a lot more sophisticated than "cutting off your dick". There is no way for a gynecologist, for example, to distinguish between a natural vagina and a neovagina. They are nearly identical in appearance and function.
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Re: Transgender children [Re: lessismore]
#21915011 - 07/08/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Males don't get kids/go on vacation due to kids usually, so sexchanging to a male will greatly improve your job opportunities!
It should be a requirement if you want foodstamps/social service
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i know, i know. i'm kidding sophist. lest you not forget that i complimented your ass the other day.
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BlindSophist said: Remember, most trans women experience their penis as something which is foreign to their body. Speaking from experience, I've stopped trying to use it for sex, I just get nothing out of it. It feels uncomfortable and weird and I can't get off from it because it feels like it's outside of my body.
this is very similar to how people with BIID describe their "extra" limbs
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Re: Transgender children [Re: ballsalsa]
#21915020 - 07/08/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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BlindSophist said: Remember, most trans women experience their penis as something which is foreign to their body. Speaking from experience, I've stopped trying to use it for sex, I just get nothing out of it. It feels uncomfortable and weird and I can't get off from it because it feels like it's outside of my body.
this is very similar to how people with BIID describe their "extra" limbs
We're not talking about BIID. I dismissed the relationship a page or two ago but you keep bringing it up again, Millzy provided another good explanation of how these issues are not similar. I can't imagine why you keep wanting to talk about it.
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you can dismiss what you like. I just pointed out a similarity. you posted no sources to back up claims for why they are dissimilar.
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