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Re: Transgender children [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21914712 - 07/08/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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http://www.biid.org/treatment-biid.html

http://www.nytimes.com/health/guides/disease/gender-identity-disorder/overview.html

can someone explain to me how these 2 disorders are essentially different?




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Re: Transgender children [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21914714 - 07/08/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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http://www.biid.org/treatment-biid.html

http://www.nytimes.com/health/guides/disease/gender-identity-disorder/overview.html

can someone explain to me how these 2 disorders are essentially different?






Body dysmorphia isn't related to gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria responds to treatment. Its sufferers get better when they are put on hormones and have genital surgery. Body dysmorphia gets worse when it is addressed with physical treatments and is based on distorted self-perception. Body dysmorphia relates only to physical characteristics, whereas gender dysphoria has psychosocial and identity dimensions.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 4
    #21914725 - 07/08/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

"The cause is unknown, but hormones in the womb, genes, social and environmental factors (such as parenting) may be involved. This rare disorder may occur in children or adults."

I'd guess most of it has to do with the social and environmental factors. If hormones are mixed up or whatever in the womb I would assume that is from poor/toxic diet.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Ran-D]
    #21914733 - 07/08/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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"The cause is unknown, but hormones in the womb, genes, social and environmental factors (such as parenting) may be involved. This rare disorder may occur in children or adults."

I'd guess most of it has to do with the social and environmental factors. If hormones are mixed up or whatever in the womb I would assume that is from poor/toxic diet.




Where are you getting this information? "May be" isn't very strong.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21914742 - 07/08/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

what do you mean by "get better"?  what do you mean by "gets worse"
what do you mean by "physical treatments"?  What do you mean by "distorted self perception"?


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Re: Transgender children [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21914751 - 07/08/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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what do you mean by "get better"?  what do you mean by "gets worse"




Both maladies can cause anxiety, depression, impaired social functioning. For trans people, transitioning resolves these issues quickly and effectively. For body dysmorphic people, these problems get worse and worse the more one tries to alleviate the perceived problem.

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what do you mean by "physical treatments"?  What do you mean by "distorted self perception"?




For example, give somebody with anorexia an appetite suppressant and they will not get better, they will get worse, because they do not seek to be healthy, they seek to alleviate a distorted self-image. Give a trans woman anti androgens and estrogen, and they get better.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 2
    #21914768 - 07/08/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

so you are saying that people with BIID have worse symptoms after having their limbs amputated?

why would you give an anorexic an appetite suppressant? seems counter-productive.  i'm not surprised that it would make things worse...


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Re: Transgender children [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21914774 - 07/08/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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so you are saying that people with BIID have worse symptoms after having their limbs amputated?

why would you give an anorexic an appetite suppressant? seems counter-productive.  i'm not surprised that it would make things worse...




The anorexic presents with complaints that he or she is too fat. Taking that complaint at its word would lead to harming the patient. The same is not true of patients with gender dysphoria.

I can't comment on people who want to be amputated. That's not the topic of this thread.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 3
    #21914783 - 07/08/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

many people would say that interfering with the natural and healthy functions of the body(through hormones or surgeries) is harmful, just as many people say that removing a healthy limb is harmful.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 3
    #21914790 - 07/08/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

lol i don't think they treat anorexia with stimulants. do you listen to yourself sometimes? they do sometimes prescribe anti-depressants, but typically cognitive based therapy is what is given.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21914797 - 07/08/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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many people would say that interfering with the natural and healthy functions of the body(through hormones or surgeries) is harmful




In the case of gender dysphoria, those people would not have the patient's best interests at heart, lack a familiarity with clinical research on the matter and have no business commenting on the efficacy of medications.

Gender dysphoria does not respond to psychiatric interventions and cannot be "cured". Conversion therapy is inhumane. Google search Leelah Alcorn, this type of approach drives people to suicide.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: 404]
    #21914802 - 07/08/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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lol i don't think they treat anorexia with stimulants.




No, it's not. I didn't say that they did. I was illustrating how body dysmorphia is different from gender dysphoria.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #21914807 - 07/08/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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many people would say that interfering with the natural and healthy functions of the body(through hormones or surgeries) is harmful, just as many people say that removing a healthy limb is harmful.




that would be false equivalence. removing a limb would reduce health by creating a functional impairment (i.e. having one less limb) whereas medically intervening on behalf of a transgendering patient would increase functionality by most likely improving their mental health.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: millzy]
    #21914820 - 07/08/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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many people would say that interfering with the natural and healthy functions of the body(through hormones or surgeries) is harmful, just as many people say that removing a healthy limb is harmful.




that would be false equivalence. removing a limb would reduce health by creating a functional impairment (i.e. having one less limb) whereas medically intervening on behalf of a transgendering patient would increase functionality by most likely improving their mental health.




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Re: Transgender children [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21914831 - 07/08/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Transgender children [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #21914851 - 07/08/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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many people would say that interfering with the natural and healthy functions of the body(through hormones or surgeries) is harmful, just as many people say that removing a healthy limb is harmful.




that would be false equivalence. removing a limb would reduce health by creating a functional impairment (i.e. having one less limb) whereas medically intervening on behalf of a transgendering patient would increase functionality by most likely improving their mental health.




Bingo.




but would mutilation of the genitals not cause an impairment as well? like...a reproductive impairment? at least as much impairment as having one less limb?  is your argument that improved mental health offsets the functional impairment of the reproductive organs?


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Re: Transgender children [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21914878 - 07/08/15 12:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

IVF is a thing. So are freezers and turkey basters. Welcome to the 20th century.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21914887 - 07/08/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

do most transgendering people go that far though? with the surgery i mean?


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Re: Transgender children [Re: millzy]
    #21914900 - 07/08/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I wouldn't know the exact statistics. It tends to be pretty expensive, and to require a very long convalescence, so a lot of lower-income trans people never get it. IMO it should be covered by health insurance plans and hopefully it will be before long.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21914904 - 07/08/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

IVF is prohibitively expensive.  but then again, anyone who can afford gender reassignment can afford all the other shit too probably.
but little kids don't have sperm or eggs to freeze for later do they?(actually, they probably do have eggs, i'm not sure about the eggs)


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