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mushyman2015
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contaminated cake spawned to hpoo
#21909718 - 07/07/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So basically I dropped agar into brf and vermicullite but it failed and agter 5 days thrich was in different locations even small 1 or 2 tiny bits on the mycelium On the surface of the brf. So I got the mycelium clumps out and cleaned of any trich left them in a moist container and went to a park and collected horse poo. pasturised for about 2 hours at 160/170f. spawned the mycelium clumps to horse poo spread evenly in a plastic container with vented polyfill lid. I didnt expect much from this. after 2 days I see trich but only on the brf and none on hpoo so left and forgot. I look a couple days later and the whole thing is colonised no sign of trich and is pinning. I have now successfully grown a first flush from them. I am new to this and have noticed through experimenting that contaminants are so common and contaminants always normally win but since realising the antibiotic advantage using hpoo I wouldnt wanna go back. I have also inoculated hpoo straight from agar in plastic vented containers. i used about a third of the petri and cut it up and spread evenly in hpoo and this has been a success also.
so my question is.... does horse poo kill all or if not most contaminants when pasturised properly as i have read about the good bacteria that helps the mycelium? and also is it likely the contaminant is dormant and will come back in the next flush?
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mushyman2015
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Re: contaminated cake spawned to hpoo [Re: mushyman2015]
#21910367 - 07/07/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It my success common with hpoo against contams? Or am I just lucky or is it the strain (Ecuador)? Because im a noobie and ive been reading on here for months and all I ever herw about contams is ..... bin it or chuckit outside let nature work it out anyone else achieved successful salvages indoors Ignoring the 2 choices above And fruited?
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LumpyNutz
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Re: contaminated cake spawned to hpoo [Re: mushyman2015]
#21910455 - 07/07/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've never heard of hpoo having antibiotic properties, thats pretty interesting tho.
As for your question: "does horse poo kill all or if not most contaminants when pasturised properly", I believe most if not all of the killing of contams would be the result of the pasteurization alone.
I have had similar problems with trich on brf cakes and while most people would say to toss and start over, I let the cakes consolidate till pins started to form whiel still in the jar, then birthed normally, cut off all the contam'd areas from cake, and fruited as usual. Both times ive done this the cakes produced nice healthy fruits!
All in all, if the fruit looks and smells good, its good to eat. Happy growing!
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Edited by LumpyNutz (07/07/15 04:29 PM)
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spacechildo
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Re: contaminated cake spawned to hpoo [Re: LumpyNutz]
#21910529 - 07/07/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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no, there was never any trich there to begin with.
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mushyman2015
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Re: contaminated cake spawned to hpoo [Re: spacechildo]
#21913299 - 07/08/15 02:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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There was trich even after I put it in poo but once I see green trich the second time I just left and forgot and the trich was gone when I looked a few days later! And I read on here that by pasturising hpoo at the right temperature it kills the bad bacteria and keeps the good as they get killed off at different temperatures. Eg yogurt is a good bacteria that helps our immune system where as pasturisation is the same for mycelium. bacteria starts dying at 60c and up check google and different species have different kill temps by the looks of it
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Re: contaminated cake spawned to hpoo [Re: mushyman2015]
#21913355 - 07/08/15 03:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You know there are green molds other than Trichoderma. Penicillium for example spreads quickly but as far as I know won't spread to already colonized substrate or prevent fruiting.
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Re: contaminated cake spawned to hpoo [Re: Kizzle]
#21913392 - 07/08/15 03:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not that I've collected any poo, but it doesn't generally tend to mold on its own does it? It would kinda make sense that the cubes thrive more in their natural environment than a generalist. If they didn't, they probably wouldn't exist.
When I've had coir contaminate, I always felt as though contaminated grain was fueling the expansion, not the coir. There are people that save coir from the time of spawning to the time the casing is colonized for patching with no treatment other than keeping it in a bucket with the lid shut.
I've had some cultures that literally took over 1/3 container of grain that had green mold of some kind and swallowed it up. Industrious shit even if we tend to coddle it.
Nice work, I love "fuck it, let's see if I can get anything out of this" attempts that pan out.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
Edited by Machiavelliavore (07/08/15 03:54 AM)
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mushyman2015
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Re: contaminated cake spawned to hpoo [Re: Kizzle]
#21913411 - 07/08/15 04:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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This mold was light green im not sure if that helps it looked exactly like the green mold you get on cheese in the fridge? Is that enough to identify which one it was? also thats cool so by leaving the contaminant in there sometimes the mycelium takes back what should have been theirs if you dont open and introduce more competition. So thats basically thats what ive done when I forgot about it. and I take it the hpoo makes their indoors environment more natural and homely as some species may love hpoo in the wild
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