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saying good-bye to the dead and thoughts on the implications of it all
    #21909261 - 07/07/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The grateful deads last show had record breaking numbers of attendees....

This says to me that there are still a large number of people that want to live that dream, that believe in that type of freedom and adventure, we still have decent numbers, maybe not numbers like in 1968, but still there's a good ammount of people holding onto this dream.

If only these people were not spread out the majority of the time, soldier field looked like a small city onto itself, and this was not even the entire community, it was only those who could make it to Chicago....

If all the hip people, free thinkers, freaks, artists, and so on, if every non-square could meet in a single place, it would be a revolution, the dominators only got a lid back on this thing by keeping the freaks spread out and local freak communities small and watched...

The fact that so many people showed up to say good-bye to the dead proves that they never were able to get the lid back on this thing, people have a real desire to live in an alternitive manor from the systems projected lifestyle for its citizens, people still want freedom.

I think people do want to see change, I think they want to see earth friendly, peace promoting, love motivated communities who practice freedom, true freedom, meaning that so long as your not hurting or bothering anybody then you should be able to do it, the fantastic possibilities are endless.

There will never be another grateful dead, they caught a novel wave of history which included owsley Stanley, Neal cassady, ken kesey and the pranksters and so on....

their history was amazing, they were connected to some of the most novel free-thinkers of the time,  the band was a jumbled group misfits, and the music was the peak of it all, that amazing music, which expressed the same freedom as the bands philosophy on life, this improvisational jazz inspired chaos, rocking  jamming music with a touch of the blues and little to no boundaries,  timeless, unique, and true as art, this was not a gimmick, this was not pop garbage, this was actual art.

Its sad to see the dead go, its another nail in the coffin containing the American dream.

-E. Borodin


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Re: saying good-bye to the dead and thoughts on the implications of it all [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21911099 - 07/07/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You say you got a real solution
Well, you know we'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know we're all doing what we can

[Lennon/McCartney]






Also, I believe the 'American Dream' was housed in the Old Psychiatrists Club on Paradise Blvd., and closed around 1970.  Best of luck in your search.  :smile:


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Re: saying good-bye to the dead and thoughts on the implications of it all [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #21913859 - 07/08/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I always loved that scene, where Thompson and Acosta pull up to a taco stand, $5 for a buck, they proceed to ask the taco shop employees "have you seen the American dream? They gave us this car and sent us out in search of the American dream, we think its in Vegas"

-E. Borodin


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Re: saying good-bye to the dead and thoughts on the implications of it all [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21914968 - 07/08/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

...maybe she was right when she said "sounds like you boys have been sent on a wild goose chase"

...maybe...maybe.

-E. Borodin


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Re: saying good-bye to the dead and thoughts on the implications of it all [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21914975 - 07/08/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

...or maybe a squat full of druged out freaks really is the American dream....and she was just pointing them in the right direction....

-E. Borodin


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Re: saying good-bye to the dead and thoughts on the implications of it all [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21927572 - 07/11/15 06:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: saying good-bye to the dead and thoughts on the implications of it all [Re: pwnzer]
    #21928001 - 07/11/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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pwnzer said:
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Ghosts.html




Looking back at the title I can see how this could be interpreted  differently...

My fault, saying good-bye to the dead meant the grateful dead, they just played their last show when I wrote this.

I was saying that because so many people showed up it showed that maybe the American dream was not entirely snuffed out...people still have the desire to live free, to let loose, to promote peace, love, and togetherness, and promote life and love and freedom....this urge still exists, that's the last shred of the American dream in this new lame America.

Satanism reminds me of the philosophy of Ayn rand, it just states that you should be as selfish as possible and that you have no reason to feel bad for others.
If you want to confront the dead I suggest ayahuasca over exegesis, but that's just me.

-E. Borodin


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Re: saying good-bye to the dead and thoughts on the implications of it all [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21928229 - 07/11/15 10:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

nooooo man not ayn rand... this is like the opposite of that. maybe it was coincidence that you saw the site. look it up and do the research. you might be really surprised! satanism is not all about the self. i care about others which is why i am talking to you right now on the internet forums. i am using my time to help you. we satanists only use our selves to have visions or what have you. what happens when you need to talk to uncle bob right away but you need your mushrooms to kick in first for it to work.


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Re: saying good-bye to the dead and thoughts on the implications of it all [Re: pwnzer]
    #21932216 - 07/12/15 06:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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pwnzer said:
nooooo man not ayn rand... this is like the opposite of that. maybe it was coincidence that you saw the site. look it up and do the research. you might be really surprised! satanism is not all about the self. i care about others which is why i am talking to you right now on the internet forums. i am using my time to help you. we satanists only use our selves to have visions or what have you. what happens when you need to talk to uncle bob right away but you need your mushrooms to kick in first for it to work.




I'll be honest, I'm not very currant on my Satanism, the way it was explained to me gave me the impression that they believe that it's completely natural to be selfish, that you should do anything you can to better your situation regardless of who you hurt in the process, that it's weakness to feel bad for the less fortunate, it preaches that selfishness and hedonism are your birth-right as a human....


...but I admit that I'm not very knowledgeable on the topic, I did brief research on Anton LaVey, though it seemed like he wanted to troll Christians more than have a serious religion...

If I'm wrong please correct me, I'm always open to others beliefs and would love to understand them.

Personally, I'm an entheogenic shaman, I incorporate Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Gnosticism, and even aspects from the traditional faiths into my practice, so I'm not one to judge others for unconventional spiritual practice, and would gladly listen to what you have to say on the matter.

(Though my core principles are peace, love, togetherness, kindness, compassion, selflessness, and love...and Satanism doesn't appear to promote these principals ...I'm still willing to learn what the deal really is here)

-E. Borodin


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Re: saying good-bye to the dead and thoughts on the implications of it all [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21948042 - 07/15/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I mourned the death of Jerry Garcia 20 years ago. I've seen The Dead, with Dylan and Robert Hunter, and The Dead alone. I've seen Further. The problem for me is: The Dead was NOT the Grateful Dead, and Jerry is still dead. These shows and the corporation's growing greed just make me sick. I have 50-60 shows in my memory, in small theatres when the members would still dialogue with you from the stage (circa 1972), some big shows (like GD and Allman Brothers at RFK Stadium in '73 or Englishtown, NJ in '77), and I have their music. I have a personality that is reflected by my physical surroundings, but aside from the scene (which was gone by the time these last 5 shows happened) where vendors of acid were so high they were giving it away, and where people set up a hibatchi, coolers, and lawn chairs in the middle of the show in front of the Tapers. You couldn't even take in a bottle of water, forget about Shakedown Street. Truly, "There is nothing like a Grateful Dead concert," and the ones I still attend are in my dreams or in the construction of a trip at home. I've internalized it all, because in this like everything else, all good things come to an end.



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Re: saying good-bye to the dead and thoughts on the implications of it all [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21954072 - 07/16/15 10:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That's interesting Mark

The only time I saw the Grateful Dead was in '94.  Well, honestly I never saw them because I never actually made it into the stadium.  The gigantic hippy dead-head festival outside the venue was far too interesting to be drawn by the jammy weak strains emanating from the stadium.  The only indication to me that anything cool was going down in there was when the crowd cheered after a song.  But I was never a fan of the Grateful Dead.  I'm sure I'll never see anything quite like the Dead's following in that parking lot.  There were so many buses and people that the vast lot couldn't even contain them.  They set up in the woods nearby as well.  Even as the Grateful Dead played their set, there was a whole city going on outside.  I can't even describe it, so I won't bother.  But yeah, I always figured Phish and all those new bands pretty much picked up where the Grateful Dead left off.  I saw Wide Spread Panic with Phil Lesh and Friends 10 years later, and I swear some of the same people from the Dead show were there.  But honestly I don't follow that whole genre at all.  It's good knowing it's out there.  The jam band scene.  Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners.


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    #21955040 - 07/17/15 07:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

In that sense I've never seen the dead either, I followed Phil and friends for 3 shows, I actually saw one, I've seen ratdog, I've seen furthur.

All the elders say it was all over in the late 80s, the
Deads  popularity peaked, "touch of grey" had a video that was quite popular, and the scene was flooded with folks who didn't know the history or norms of the culture and dragged what was a friendly happy environment, safe for family's and hippies alike, into a drugged out mess, there was stealing, violence, drug deaths in the lot, etc...

I'm still sad to see it go, these guys were there for the early acid tests, filling golden gate park and haight street on several occasions, as well as the bus ride with Neal Cassidy at the wheel and the pranksters as company, the dead were connected to owsley "bear" stanley, who was an LSD chemist, "white lightening" was owsleys brand, owsley also knew Nick Sand and Tim scully the chemists responsible for Orange sunshine. The dead caught a wave of novelty that went far beyond music...

Regardless of what it became, there's always that connection.

I'm a psychoactivist, and a fan of psychedelic history, I love the music as well, but I except that music is the most exploited art form known, and I'm happy that the dead remained artists through out it all, there style brought folk, free form jazz, rock and roll, jug/bluegrass, etc..into a madness of synchronized improvisation, it's freedom in music like this that's become rare, corporate bands play very structured 3 minute or so tunes, the same way every time, it's cookie-cutter, plastic, corporate garbage...at least through out all of it the dead remained true musicians and artists.

The new dead shows may seem like capitalist exploitation of art to some, but it's more nostalgia for what it was than what it is, and people will pay for that....

The fact the people are willing topay for nostalgia regarding that time is what shows me that should another hippie revolution like 1968 occur, a good deal of "normal" people would be willing to join in...people are sick of their plastic day to day fake lives in this new lame America, people want adventure, people want freedom, people want something other than the life the system has designated for them...

we don't have brilliant people like Ken kesey and the pranksters and the dead, or abbie Hoffman and his yippies, or Leary and alpert and the Harvard psychedelic scene or Nick Sand and Tim scully and owsley Stanley, hell, we don't even have terence mckenna any more...
...should some new novel freak personalities appear and begin a social revolution fueled by psychedelics and music, fueled by destroying the old and ineffective methods which have broken our social system, and replacing them with new, novel, and better methods of running our society and planet...should some group of freaks start this revolution, I'm sure they would be blown away when they see the numbers of people who would be willing to follow them...

I got off topic, yeah I understand what you mean, however as an optimist I see the good side of it all, there are negativities,but that's not a good enough reason for me to not still enjoy all that I can about the situation.

-E. Borodin


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