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InvisibleJcaobfferjenos
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Need shamanistic advice
    #21909217 - 07/07/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My girlfriend has something going on up in her head. She just told me that she's been having more than one voice in her head that advise her on her thoughts. She looks at it as versions of her from within her subconscious so she listens. The problem is it has granted her extreme anxiety and me as well. When she notices something that she doesn't understand they all freak out and panic at once. How would you go about this?


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: Jcaobfferjenos]
    #21909226 - 07/07/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Wrong forum. Try psychedelic experience.

Only advice this forum will give you is to see a doctor.

See a doctor or eat 16.25grams of Magic truffles in a silent dark room with only incense to focus on.


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: Jcaobfferjenos]
    #21909228 - 07/07/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Psychologist/psychiatrist 1-2 punch.  Mental illness isn't something to fuck around with.


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: Jcaobfferjenos]
    #21909230 - 07/07/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Does she take any meds or drugs


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: twelvelookslikeu]
    #21909242 - 07/07/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hearing unexplainable voices is a symptom of schizophrenia FYI


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: Jcaobfferjenos]
    #21909259 - 07/07/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Psychedelics is not what she needs right now my friend, as Burke suggested it sounds like she would benefit from seeing a psychiatrist/psychologist.


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #21909294 - 07/07/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: Jcaobfferjenos]
    #21909310 - 07/07/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Jcaobfferjenos said:
My girlfriend has something going on up in her head. She just told me that she's been having more than one voice in her head that advise her on her thoughts. She looks at it as versions of her from within her subconscious so she listens. The problem is it has granted her extreme anxiety and me as well. When she notices something that she doesn't understand they all freak out and panic at once. How would you go about this?





Wait for Almond flour to chime in, he's recently emerged into manhood.


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: 1234go]
    #21909469 - 07/07/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

She freaks out on smoking weed. I need to journey myself maybe to figure this out. I'd rather not have her talk to a Dr of sorts because I do not believe in mental illness.


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    #21909478 - 07/07/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: Jcaobfferjenos]
    #21909493 - 07/07/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Jcaobfferjenos said:
My girlfriend has something going on up in her head. She just told me that she's been having more than one voice in her head that advise her on her thoughts. She looks at it as versions of her from within her subconscious so she listens. The problem is it has granted her extreme anxiety and me as well. When she notices something that she doesn't understand they all freak out and panic at once. How would you go about this?




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JK... you don't need shamanistic advice, you need to have her talk to a professional. She's either having stress induced schizo tendencies or developing full blown schizophrenia.


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    #21909545 - 07/07/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Jcaobfferjenos said:
She freaks out on smoking weed. I need to journey myself maybe to figure this out. I'd rather not have her talk to a Dr of sorts because I do not believe in mental illness.



This woman is not your property. She has some sort of mental issue going on and needs to see a doctor. Maybe you should talk to her family and see what they have to say about not believing in mental illness.

You are not qualified to make any assumptions on her health, I make this claim based on the fact that you asked for advice in the pub of the shroomery.


Ghandi's wife got really sick, he only allowed traditional ancient Indian medicines to be used in her treatment. Their son tried to give his mother penicillin, but ghandi objected, saying they should trust in God. His wife died. A little while later, Ghandi himself became sick with the same symptoms. But this time it was his life on the line and he took the penicillin at the first chance he had.

Your situation reminded a lot of what happened to Ghandi. Don't let your coo coo crazy beliefs be the death of someone you love.

Don't believe in mental health?
Do you acknowledge that people have minds?
Do you acknowledge that people can have varying degrees of health from very unhealthy and diseased, all the way up to healthy and fit?
Why would it be impossible for someone to have an unhealthy mind?
Why would it be impossible for people to have figure out causes for mental problems and or treatments for the illnesses?

Why do you think if you get high you will magically figure out a treatment that is better than what thousands upon thousands of doctors and scientists have come up with utilizing billions of dollars and multiple decades in research and development?


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: Supachopped719] * 1
    #21909959 - 07/07/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Psychology definitely needs to be a core course requirement for compulsory education.


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: Jcaobfferjenos]
    #21910015 - 07/07/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Jcaobfferjenos said:
She freaks out on smoking weed. I need to journey myself maybe to figure this out. I'd rather not have her talk to a Dr of sorts because I do not believe in mental illness.



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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: Jcaobfferjenos]
    #21910032 - 07/07/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I kinda think everyone has a bunch of thoughts in their heads at once, but I see them as the psychological democracy giving you advice on how to proceed. If they are getting overwhelming I suggest yoga and exercise before any sort of trip or chemical exploration.


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: wigglewak]
    #21910048 - 07/07/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This is the type of thing that should be handled by a professional.


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: Oggy]
    #21910086 - 07/07/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

She could just be young and tweeking out too. In which case calming down and focusing on a healthy thing might be all she needs. But with the info provided I wouldn't say go strait to a doctor because getting on and off psycho meds can create worse problems. I  definitely don't recommend weed or tripping.


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: wigglewak]
    #21910174 - 07/07/15 03:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I mean I'd rather not tell her to go to a Doctor due to the fact that if she does go and they tell her she has something wrong the effects may be more prevalent being that she was just told that she has an issue.


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: Jcaobfferjenos]
    #21910206 - 07/07/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That sounds extremely selfish of you.


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: Jcaobfferjenos]
    #21910228 - 07/07/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I mean I'd rather not tell her to go to a Doctor due to the fact that if she does go and they tell her she has something wrong the effects may be more prevalent being that she was just told that she has an issue.




Quote:

Oggy said:
That sounds extremely selfish of you.






You need to take a step back, forget about what ever new age revolutionary concepts
you've got going on in your head right now and think about the real well being of your girlfriend.


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: Jcaobfferjenos]
    #21910232 - 07/07/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If she has an issue not being told about it is not going to help at all...

A doctor or psychiatrist could give her advice that will almost certainly come in handy. Ignoring the problem will almost certainly allow it to progress.

Things like this need to be addressed, especially if she is developing schizo tendencies.

Your logic does not make much sense really and I hope you are trolling. If you are serious don't just ignore the problem.


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: 1234go]
    #21910239 - 07/07/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah bruh for real, her true downfall will stem from the fact you " do not believe in mental illness" instead of just going to get her the help she needs.


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: SirShroomsAlott] * 1
    #21910247 - 07/07/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I sense a brick wall


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: Jcaobfferjenos]
    #21910292 - 07/07/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Jcaobfferjenos said:
My girlfriend has something going on up in her head. She just told me that she's been having more than one voice in her head that advise her on her thoughts. She looks at it as versions of her from within her subconscious so she listens. The problem is it has granted her extreme anxiety and me as well. When she notices something that she doesn't understand they all freak out and panic at once. How would you go about this?





Chatters.

If they freak out they are messengers, not the Subconscious and higher up.

Discuss with her the possibility that she is going mentally ill, which might progress to a stage neither of you can handle. Let her decide if she wants psychiatric help or not. A psychiatrist will likely test her, then prescribe an antipsychotic drug. This may or may not do her more good than harm. Statistically, its better than placebo.

Personally I take 2-3mg of Haldol 3 hours before going to bed and that retains my equilibrium the entire day, while I oversleep the unpleasant hours of the strongest effect. If this works for her its a reasonably patient friendly way to go at antipsychotic treatment.

The voices may or may not cease. They will likely decrease in number and intensity.

She has to learn not to freak out with the voices, and to ignore any voice that engages her into negative dialogue. Not engaging a voice for a while will make it generally go away.

Theres good voices and bad voices. I have nothing but good voices but many are terrorized by their inner dialogue.

Let her read this thread ands talk for herself if she likes.

You both might like the Psychosis, Synchronicities, SXhamanism & the Supernatural forum. its not very busy but, good people, including ones who've "been there".

You wanted shamanistic advice, I'm one (a Nganga, a Spirit Worker) and this is my first advice, want more, just ask.


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: Oggy]
    #21910582 - 07/07/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Oggy said:
This is the type of thing that should be handled by a professional.




all they're gonna do is label the fuck out of her and maybe send her home with some happy pills that will make her sad later on..

maybe u can tell ur gf to atleast make an account here and maybe she can try to explain to us what is really going with her in her own words..


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: zZZz]
    #21910646 - 07/07/15 05:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Exactly dude, they're going to fuck her head up to the point that she is no longer a person.


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: Oggy]
    #21910661 - 07/07/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I mean she doesn't wanna go to a Doctor either. She's come to me for help.


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: Asante]
    #21910675 - 07/07/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks dude, I'm glad someone doesn't have to be a cock about it.


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: Jcaobfferjenos]
    #21910695 - 07/07/15 05:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

All here mean well. The concept of Voices are very scary to most people.

She could be a Tulpamancer though.


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: Jcaobfferjenos]
    #21910724 - 07/07/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I mean I'd rather not tell her to go to a Doctor due to the fact that if she does go and they tell her she has something wrong the effects may be more prevalent being that she was just told that she has an issue.




I dont know. It sounds like her internal voice has already fragmented. Thats not normal and it can grow into something far more serious if its not kept in check. Going to the doctor now instead of later might not be a bad idea.


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: Asante]
    #21911904 - 07/07/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Would you explain what that is?


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: Jcaobfferjenos]
    #21912101 - 07/07/15 09:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: Jcaobfferjenos] * 2
    #21912866 - 07/08/15 12:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Thanks dude, I'm glad someone doesn't have to be a cock about it.




Way to talk about a bunch of people that care enough to give you advice. The only dick in this thread is you mate.

When people give you advice, you listen. Decide if the advice is worth taking, and then act on it. If you don't agree with the advice, simply disregard and don't act on that advice, don't call people dicks just because they have a different opinion.


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: Artnotwar]
    #21919684 - 07/09/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Not referring to you, the one that gave me a lecture on her not being my property which I thoroughly understand.


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21919701 - 07/09/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Listen dude, I'm not here for you to bitch about my beleifs. As someone said before she's not my properties, so I don't see how what I believe is going to affect her decision to see someone about it. I'm only trying to help her with what I know & potentially what you guys think.


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: Jcaobfferjenos]
    #21919706 - 07/09/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Do you, Jacob?


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    #21919735 - 07/09/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: Jcaobfferjenos]
    #21919762 - 07/09/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm sorry OP, what I meant is I personally believe you should get her some help, but if you don't think she needs it then it's up to you to do whatever you think is best.

My point about your beliefs is that if she goes downhill and needs help, don't let you not believing in mental illness stop her from getting treatment.

Sorry for being a condescending douchebag.


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21919767 - 07/09/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

What did you guys not understand about SHE?????


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21923363 - 07/10/15 07:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

All is good dude, thanks for the appology. Much love


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: Jcaobfferjenos]
    #21923439 - 07/10/15 07:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It is important that both you and her understand that this condition may get worse and worse over time, and that many people who call themselves shamans are nothing of the sort.
I understand your and her hesitation to visit a psychiatrist.. you get labeled so quickly these days, and many of their medicines are untrustworthy.
But there may come a point when this becomes unavoidable, and I hope you will take action before that happens.

Good luck. :peace:

Edit: I secretly talk to birds and see omens and portents on occasion. I am not the one to tell you what is sane and what is not, but please be alert.


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Re: Need shamanistic advice [Re: Jcaobfferjenos]
    #21923447 - 07/10/15 07:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hey OP.  I talk to plants and fungus.  I also see a therapist.  I don't see a big difference between the modern relationship with psychiatry and the ancient tradition of medicine people.

So to echo what others are telling you, seek professional help.  Mental illness isn't something to disregard so lightly.  Everyday people take their own lives.  Everyday people suffer in silence because they're too proud or ashamed to get help.  Rather mental illness is 'real' or not the pain people go through is.

There's no harm in looking at your options and if she doesn't like what the doctor tells her she can always get a second opinion.


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