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Is a trip a trip?
    #21909127 - 07/07/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

http://gizmodo.com/oh-god-someone-ran-fear-and-loathing-through-googles-n-1716036990

After this new wave of googles neural network.. We have to start questioning things.

Why does this look like DMT land or the LSD overlay?

Are we really encountering beings?  Going to strange lands? 

Our brain's are very magical.  I am convinced that we can just see all the layers that it takes to create our world.  When we are in altered states, we are in direct communication with our brain and anything it creates.

This is why it feels so fucking real...  We are going somewhere in our own mind.  That's why the beings seem to know you, everything you did..  IT IS YOU.  It does know everything about you and what you did wrong and how to fix you.

This all ties back into my post about how building the brain is not the best idea and how we form our own thoughts.

We run simulations for EVERYTHING in our small super computer that is more powerful than all the computational power on the planet.  It is capable of creating an entire universe just because you want to go to the store.

Now, when are dive our own mind with DMT or other forms of compounds or life threatening situations, we are then pulled into these simulations our brain creates to deal with every day life.

You are indeed a dream within a dream..

I am overly convinced with all my encounters now that there really isn't anything special about this world or the drugs in them.. We really are trapped forever.

You never met god, you never seen an alien..  You have met yourself and have made up a simulation with aliens in it... It's just not real.



Before you totally think I am demonizing them, I would like to say you are sadly mistaken.  I know how important they were for me and lots of other people.  I could not of of came to this conclusion with out their help and maybe I would still be depressed.  These things give life by showing you that you are God, Once you find out you are God.. it might be time to stop taking them until you forget who you are.


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Re: Is a trip a trip? [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21909178 - 07/07/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

THANK YOU. What a breathe of fresh air! There is so much self indulgent delusion that gets thrown around here under the guise of spirituality/mysticism/philosophical wanking ect...some of the new guys really need to read stuff like this.

Excellent points Mike


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Re: Is a trip a trip? [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21909183 - 07/07/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You say,"We run simulations for EVERYTHING in our small super computer that is more powerful than all the computational power on the planet.  It is capable of creating an entire universe just because you want to go to the store."

Exactly. Mind is the creator, the story teller.


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Re: Is a trip a trip? [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21909188 - 07/07/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:kaneclap: our brain IS the matrix ,

this is why mushroom can show so much about yourself , it IS you!

I think i really need a simulation soon tho, kinda lost my self since a while...


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Re: Is a trip a trip? [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21909191 - 07/07/15 10:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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MikeBearPig said:
You are indeed a dream within a dream..

You never met god, you never seen an alien..  You have met yourself and have made up a simulation with aliens in it... It's just not real.

These things give life by showing you that you are God, Once you find out you are God.. it might be time to stop taking them until you forget who you are.




Finding out you are God is only a drag because you're bound to a human body..aka no super powers. The real trip is that everyone and everything is God. A dream within a dream like you said. An infinite fractal. 

The trick is being free in form not free from form.


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Re: Is a trip a trip? [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21909464 - 07/07/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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After this new wave of googles neural network.. We have to start questioning things.

Why does this look like DMT land or the LSD overlay?




Start questioning what things?  Visuals?

The reason it feels so "real" is because of the stimulation of the same part of the brain that makes people believe in religions - a sense of the other-worldly.  You can accomplish this with a transcranial magnetic stimulator, applied to the right portion of the brain it will make you believe the Virgin Mary is standing behind you in the room, or any other supernatural manifestation you might have lurking in your subconscious.  That feeling of hyperreality applies to tripping experiences and it makes it oh-so-easy to take them for far more than whatever they might actually be. It's sort of a "pay attention to this it's important" switch that evolution supplied us with for no particularly obvious reason. :shrug:


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Re: Is a trip a trip? [Re: Universaleyeni]
    #21909468 - 07/07/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

the thing is, visuals are only part of the psychedelic experience. And in my opinion, amazing, but not important. The reason why the google "brain" is having images that are slightly psychedelic is because it is trying to recognize objects and faces.

If anything, it's not showing how we perceive the world, it's showing how we try and find something that isn't there. look at this, :smile:. It's a common smiley face on the internet, and through texting. But it's not an actual face. We are recognizing it as a person smiling. Humans are psychologically prone to finding faces and symbols in things that are not there. We like patterns.

The google dream is not showing us how the world is only a perception, it's showing us how we try and find the perceptions in our world. If that makes sense. I think that beings, and other perceptions aren't always "real", but they can be sometimes. That doesn't mean I'm going to use it to back up claims, but it means that I will listen to possible knowledge, and keep my mind open.


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Re: Is a trip a trip? [Re: Achillita]
    #21909495 - 07/07/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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the thing is, visuals are only part of the psychedelic experience. And in my opinion, amazing, but not important. The reason why the google "brain" is having images that are slightly psychedelic is because it is trying to recognize objects and faces.

If anything, it's not showing how we perceive the world, it's showing how we try and find something that isn't there. look at this, :smile:. It's a common smiley face on the internet, and through texting. But it's not an actual face. We are recognizing it as a person smiling. Humans are psychologically prone to finding faces and symbols in things that are not there. We like patterns.

The google dream is not showing us how the world is only a perception, it's showing us how we try and find the perceptions in our world. If that makes sense. I think that beings, and other perceptions aren't always "real", but they can be sometimes. That doesn't mean I'm going to use it to back up claims, but it means that I will listen to possible knowledge, and keep my mind open.




That's what I was getting to..  Besides the beings being real or not.. I don't believe they are ever real and even if they were, we will never have any way to prove it until we make AI, or AI makes us.


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Re: Is a trip a trip? [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21909649 - 07/07/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I agree that there is no way to prove they are real or fake, but the effects of meeting entities usually produce dramatic changes in people's lives. The effects can be very real, even if the entities may not be. Arguing over whether they are real or not is pointless though.

But the image software is pretty much effecting the image over and over and trying to find/create faces or things it recognizes over time. I think it's more of an in depth way on how our brain tries to find faces. And since psychedelics reduce brain activity in your visual cortex, your brain tries to put together the pieces of the world and create an image.

I think that explains a lot of the hallucinations we see, like floating eyes or skulls or whatever. There are some things I am not so sure about, like why we recognize floral patterns often, or why walls morph and dance. Those psychedelic effects are much different then what the google dream is doing.


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Re: Is a trip a trip? [Re: Achillita]
    #21909757 - 07/07/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I find the Google images to be extremely close to the visuals I get on mushrooms. Take away the dog faces and shit and add geometric patterns and its almost spot on for me.


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Re: Is a trip a trip? [Re: twelvelookslikeu]
    #21909865 - 07/07/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I believe when we trip we are breaking the filter that are programmed reality has to are consciousness. We are then like the Google program trying to make sense of are surroundings but with a unfiltered consciousness (computer program) who recognizes patterns and colors. Idk just a thought


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Re: Is a trip a trip? [Re: twelvelookslikeu]
    #21910810 - 07/07/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I find the Google images to be extremely close to the visuals I get on mushrooms. Take away the dog faces and shit and add geometric patterns and its almost spot on for me.





It's way too close and I believe they built it upon how they think we process data.. It's not called Neural Network for nothing.


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Re: Is a trip a trip? [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21915541 - 07/08/15 03:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



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