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Mushroom cap bruising instantly
    #21909066 - 07/07/15 10:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So, I just picked some mushrooms from my cakes and I decided to take two of the best ones to make spore prints.

I'm not an expert with mushroom cultivation so maybe this is something common but still, it freaked me out.

One of the cap turned black-bluish in a matter of seconds after I cut it from the stem, the other one is still light brown. Why does this happen?

The caps were both handled in the same way and they are both coming from the same cluster on the same cake. Strain is B+.



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Re: Mushroom cap bruising instantly [Re: lush]
    #21909076 - 07/07/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's just the mushrooms way of demanding to be eaten xD.


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Re: Mushroom cap bruising instantly [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #21909400 - 07/07/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The blue cap is high in psilocin and the bluing is indicative of psilocin degradation. The other cap may not have as high a psilocin content as the blue one but may still have a high concentration of psilocybin which does not blue when oxidation ensues.


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Re: Mushroom cap bruising instantly [Re: natedawgnow]
    #21909435 - 07/07/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

did you by chance use isopropyl alcohol on your razor or scalpel?


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Re: Mushroom cap bruising instantly [Re: mush madness]
    #21909724 - 07/07/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Bluing doesn't necessarily mean one is more potent than the other.


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Re: Mushroom cap bruising instantly [Re: lush]
    #21909735 - 07/07/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That's pretty, but what's with the thumb tacks?


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Re: Mushroom cap bruising instantly [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #21909747 - 07/07/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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That's pretty, but what's with the thumb tacks?



Lol I was wondering the same thing. When I take prints it's a simple cap on foil with drinking glass or bowl placed over it.


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Re: Mushroom cap bruising instantly [Re: natedawgnow]
    #21909756 - 07/07/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The blue cap is high in psilocin and the bluing is indicative of psilocin degradation. The other cap may not have as high a psilocin content as the blue one but may still have a high concentration of psilocybin which does not blue when oxidation ensues.




Bluing isn't necessarily a sign of potency, IME, some strains blue more than others. But that almost looks like it's rotting...


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Re: Mushroom cap bruising instantly [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21909766 - 07/07/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No where did i say that bluing was an indication of potency. I simply said it was a sign of psilocin degradation and that the other cap may not have psilocin.

The reason bluing is not indicative of potency is because it may not have a high psilocin content, but it may have a high psilocybin content. Which does not bruise blue when oxidized. I also stated this in my original comment.


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Re: Mushroom cap bruising instantly [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #21909811 - 07/07/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe I misinterpreted your post then, my bad.

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That's pretty, but what's with the thumb tacks?




The thumb tack really just makes setting down and picking the cap up easier so you're not fumbling with it when trying to pick it up.


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Re: Mushroom cap bruising instantly [Re: natedawgnow]
    #21909860 - 07/07/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The bruising seems to be in part at least by the conversion of relatively small amounts of psilocybin to psilocin which is then oxidized into blue or green oxidation products. If anything it probably reflects the presence of enzymes that catalyze the conversion.


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Re: Mushroom cap bruising instantly [Re: Kizzle]
    #21909880 - 07/07/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The only time I see this happen is with fruits that are over saturated with moisture when harvested usually go really slimey and blue right away.


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Re: Mushroom cap bruising instantly [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21909892 - 07/07/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The only time I see this happen is with fruits that are over saturated with moisture when harvested usually go really slimey and blue right away.



So it's best to not mist your fruits the day of harvest?


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Re: Mushroom cap bruising instantly [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21909958 - 07/07/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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bodhisatta said:
The only time I see this happen is with fruits that are over saturated with moisture when harvested usually go really slimey and blue right away.




:whathesaid:

Alcohol will also cause a almost instant slimy deep blue


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Re: Mushroom cap bruising instantly [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #21909963 - 07/07/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's best to make sure if you're misting you have sufficient fresh air to allow that excess surface moisture to evaporate. If there's not it's better to avoid or reduce misting.


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Re: Mushroom cap bruising instantly [Re: Kizzle]
    #21909994 - 07/07/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ya but op stated that the two caps depicted were from the same cake, from the same cluster even. So you would think if one was overly saturated, so would the other one but that is not evident by the photos.


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Re: Mushroom cap bruising instantly [Re: natedawgnow]
    #21910008 - 07/07/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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natedawgnow said:
Ya but op stated that the two caps depicted were from the same cake, from the same cluster even. So you would think if one was overly saturated, so would the other one but that is not evident by the photos.




That's why I said alcohol,  he probably cleaned his blade before cutting which affected the first cut and not the second


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Re: Mushroom cap bruising instantly [Re: mush madness]
    #21910013 - 07/07/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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mush madness said:
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natedawgnow said:
Ya but op stated that the two caps depicted were from the same cake, from the same cluster even. So you would think if one was overly saturated, so would the other one but that is not evident by the photos.




That's why I said alcohol,  he probably cleaned his blade before cutting which affected the first cut and not the second




I would say that's a reasonable hypothesis


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Re: Mushroom cap bruising instantly [Re: mush madness]
    #21910020 - 07/07/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ya that is actually a good possibility. But I still hold strong to the possibility that the blue cap just has a high psilocin content whilst the other does not. But again I'm not saying that is indicative of potency.


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Re: Mushroom cap bruising instantly [Re: mushmagic]
    #21910305 - 07/07/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Never had that problem, I leave about a 10mm of stem left so the cap kind of hovers over whatever I'm taking the print to. Generally foil.


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