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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: greencrush420]
    #21913817 - 07/08/15 07:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't get your response. I did not state my opinion. I stated fact. Marriage, IS,  a religious act. Why would a homosexual couple want to be married by an institution that does not want to marry them, or recognize their union? I'm not against gay union, but I am against the government forcing churches to marry them. Let them get their legal marriage!  Basically, my problem is with the government poking their nose in the business of the church. Do you want the church poking their nose into the government?
My opinions have nothing to do with my religion, but with fact, so quit attempting to label me as an "ignorant christian", and discredit my opinions. Make a valid point to discredit mine, or shut up. What is my religeon? Do you even know? Do I have one? Quit building straw men.




Nobody is forcing churches to perform gay weddings. Don't lecture other people about strawmen in the same post as that big fat strawman.


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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: greencrush420]
    #21913831 - 07/08/15 08:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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No, a civil union is a civil union. A marriage is a marriage. If they want to go to the fucking courthouse, then let them do so. I give zero fucks.
You keep dodging the point. Why THE FUCK, do these imbeciles want to be married by someone who does not want to marry their asses? And WHY THE FUCK, is the government in the middle of it?




NOBODY IS FORCING CHURCHES TO MARRY GAY PEOPLE!!!

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Do you want the church poking their nose into the government?





No. But it happens all the time.


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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: greencrush420]
    #21913849 - 07/08/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Marriage is not a civil union. A civil union is a civil union. You can say your vows before god, and be married. You don't have to go get the legal paperwork. You will know, and god will know, and that is all that matters for religious purposes.
I still have not gotten my answer. Why do these fools want to be married by someone who does not want to marry them?
Why is the government poking its fat ass nose into a religious issue?




"Marriage is special and it's only for a man and a woman" Right? Yes or No? You believe, in fact, that marriage is a special right reserved for straight people.

Just want to clear this up, so I can reference your answer next time someone claims gays are demanding special rights.


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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: koods]
    #21913850 - 07/08/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't get your response. I did not state my opinion. I stated fact. Marriage, IS,  a religious act. Why would a homosexual couple want to be married by an institution that does not want to marry them, or recognize their union? I'm not against gay union, but I am against the government forcing churches to marry them. Let them get their legal marriage!  Basically, my problem is with the government poking their nose in the business of the church. Do you want the church poking their nose into the government?
My opinions have nothing to do with my religion, but with fact, so quit attempting to label me as an "ignorant christian", and discredit my opinions. Make a valid point to discredit mine, or shut up. What is my religeon? Do you even know? Do I have one? Quit building straw men.




Nobody is forcing churches to perform gay weddings. Don't lecture other people about strawmen in the same post as that big fat strawman.




Lies, it has happened in Canada, where this type of "Marriage" has been allowed for 10 years


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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: Almond Flour]
    #21913863 - 07/08/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ok. Canada isn't the US.


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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: koods]
    #21913870 - 07/08/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

actually, source that claim.


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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: koods]
    #21914171 - 07/08/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

"By your logic are two atheists who say some words married if they say they are?"

Why would they do say words before god and then claim to be married if they are atheist? Your question does not make sense.

"Are two people of the same gender married because they said some words but didn't get a document to state they are married?"

No. THAT IS MY POINT. For the 10th time. Why would they want a ceremony before god if god, the pastor, and the church do not acknowledge their marriage.


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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: greencrush420]
    #21914272 - 07/08/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

because they feel like God will accept them anyway.

you are really so :flowstone:


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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21914297 - 07/08/15 10:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Christianity has reformed hundreds and hundreds of times over a millennia , this will be another change eventually. Or it'll become something that the church tolerates. There are plenty of gay accepting churches already, My friend's father was a pastor of such. While it wasn't a catholic church, it shows that religion can very well be accepting of gay rights.

But Marriage isn't inherit only to christianity. It's not something that can "officially" be done only by a priest for a "true" marriage. Marriage has existed in nearly every religion and culture. So saying that a true marriage is under god is idiotic.


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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: greencrush420]
    #21914408 - 07/08/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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"By your logic are two atheists who say some words married if they say they are?"

Why would they do say words before god and then claim to be married if they are atheist? Your question does not make sense.

"Are two people of the same gender married because they said some words but didn't get a document to state they are married?"

No. THAT IS MY POINT. For the 10th time. Why would they want a ceremony before god if god, the pastor, and the church do not acknowledge their marriage.




As has been said, there are chur hes who are open and accepting to the gay community.

If two christians can simply say some words and call it a marriage, then why can't two atheists? I did not say the atheists were speaking "before god" you did. I don't care what your faith is or what imaginary friend you claim to have said your vows in front of. No marriage license? You are not fucking married then. It's actually pretty simple. To say that straight christians can simply say some words, call themselves married, and it is so but nobody else can is fucking ludicrous. That is MY point.


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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: Patchouli_Savage]
    #21917249 - 07/08/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:lolwut:
If there are churches who will accept them, then why don't they go get married there instead of trying to force their way in where they are not wanted? Duh.


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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: greencrush420]
    #21917361 - 07/08/15 10:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm actually pretty sure the law exempts religious organizations to follow the laws. I actually don't remmeber anyone saying anything about the government forcing churches to marry gay people.

They are forcing state any sanctioned(and payed) priests to perform gay marriages.


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