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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: akira_akuma]
#21909713 - 07/07/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: what shall we call those emptyheaded who thought/think they can force others not to be those things?
Naive idiots.
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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: koods]
#21909726 - 07/07/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: They are welcome to still be bigots, they just can't act upon their beliefs if it means denying someone a service.
OK, drive the hatred deeper into people.
That's an amazingly stupid strategy, but enjoy your cake. Enjoy enriching the bigots.
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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: koods]
#21909730 - 07/07/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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i think maybe it was purported that the result leading up from the preceding one (this latest instance for example) will exponentially grow until it's more and more undesirable. the fact that it's not a sustainable concept when even well-meaning parties partake in "forcing" (as luv calls it) things on individuals. but that's rather pithy, i'd say. you make a good point indeed people if they do nothing then they get walked over on.
personally, i do not know where i stand from the issue.
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akira_akuma said: what shall we call those emptyheaded who thought/think they can force others not to be those things?
Naive idiots.
well, i think we can agree they're all idiots. so naive it is then.
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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: akira_akuma]
#21909741 - 07/07/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: "forcing" (as luv calls it) things on individuals. but that's rather pithy, i'd say.
If one is made to service one he or she does not wish to under penalty of law... it is force.
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if every bakery in the state was no gays allowed, then wouldn't gay people make their own bakery's and they certainly could make them gay only no?
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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: akira_akuma]
#21909775 - 07/07/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: if every bakery in the state was no gays allowed,
Unlikely as most people aren't homophobes.
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then wouldn't gay people make their own bakery's
If they wish to.
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and they certainly could make them gay only no?
If they wish to and if the law didn't prohibit it.
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interesting that you bring up the law. are you saying that the law, if so instated, should be followed and disallow them the gay-only business license?
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Christ, the free market is not the solution to everything, When you have discriminatory practices, a free market will lead to a segregated market place.
Look, these laws aren't going anywhere. They are in every state, and essentially say the same things give or take a protected class here or there. If you want to run a business serving the public in the US, you are gonna have to comply with these laws. If you don't like it, you didn't have to run a business. 
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akira_akuma said: if every bakery in the state was no gays allowed,
Unlikely as most people aren't homophobes
There are probably places and there certainly was a time when this was not true. I could see a situation where a group like Muslims were completely shunned where whole communities collectively refused to do business with them. Without these kind of laws, there would be no remedy
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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: koods]
#21909794 - 07/07/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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A gay only business would be just as illegal as a straight only business,
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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: akira_akuma]
#21909797 - 07/07/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm saying laws that require people to do business with people they don't wish to do business with, should not exist.
Amazingly enough, that's the same thing I've been saying throughout this thread.
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i admit i was just grilling you with admonishing tone for play. lol yes, my hypothetical could only be loftily construed upon.
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oh look everyone is in agreement.
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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: koods]
#21909815 - 07/07/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: Christ, the free market is not the solution to everything,
Except it pretty much is.
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When you have discriminatory practices, a free market will lead to a segregated market place.
The discriminators will die off. In the meantime, the laws have deepened their hatred and simply caused it to be passed down to the next generation. While it might have been passed down anyway, it's simply given the bigots just one more reason to remain bigoted.
Your preferred solution is a failure and has made things worse.
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It wouldn't surprise me if these marriage related businesses are full of nutty religious types. They are totally gay for that shit.
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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: koods]
#21909823 - 07/07/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wouldn't surprise me either, yet force is still the wrong path.
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It's the government trying to remove discrimination towards a group of people. It has worked in the past, and it'll work in the future. If this site existed 60 years ago, you'd be talking about how the government made it where "colored" people could go into your business.
It's not saying that you can't dislike gay people, it is saying you can not discriminate them in a public place. The laws were put in place so no minority group is denied a service that the majority can get. The anti discriminatory laws are for public businesses. If you own a business on a cities property and are selling to all, you have to obey it. If you ran a business that wasn't public, then you can openly discriminate all you want.
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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: Achillita]
#21909888 - 07/07/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Achillita said: It's the government trying to remove discrimination towards a group of people. It has worked in the past, and it'll work in the future. If this site existed 60 years ago, you'd be talking about how the government made it where "colored" people could go into your business.
It didn't help then, it's not helping now.
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It's not saying that you can't dislike gay people, it is saying you can not discriminate them in a public place. The laws were put in place so no minority group is denied a service that the majority can get. The anti discriminatory laws are for public businesses. If you own a business on a cities property and are selling to all, you have to obey it. If you ran a business that wasn't public, then you can openly discriminate all you want.
You should pay more attention.
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I think it was a step in the right direction. Just like forced assimilation in schools in the 1960s. Doing so caused tons of people to be upset, but it lead to lower rated of racism over long periods of time.
From what I've seen, gay people aren't really hated by the youth. It's more like "whatever" or the youth embracing that it's okay. The future won't have many homophobes, but the real problem is the discrimination that happens up until the point that the youth own the businesses and corporations.
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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: Achillita]
#21909928 - 07/07/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Achillita said: I think it was a step in the right direction. Just like forced assimilation in schools in the 1960s. Doing so caused tons of people to be upset, but it lead to lower rated of racism over long periods of time.
From what I've seen, gay people aren't really hated by the youth. It's more like "whatever" or the youth embracing that it's okay. The future won't have many homophobes, but the real problem is the discrimination that happens up until the point that the youth own the businesses and corporations.
Which is why I said the stupid would die off. Instead we've driven the hatred deeper into people. Now instead of just hating *insert group here* they also hate the government for forcing them to do that which they don't want to do.
Racism would have faded faster had the politicians been smart enough to understand people don't want to be told what to do.
It stiffens their resolve to continue hating.
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is there any pertinent literature, or anything that you signify to people to look into to become more knowledgeable of this wisdom you have shared with us to better understand it, this Racism Fades Theory?
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I agree, it can stiffen the hate for people already there, but I think that it shows the children it's not okay to discriminate.
And I doubt that racism would have ended much earlier! The US had over 100 years of discriminatory laws. The government pretty much demolished those laws. Expecting a group of ignorant people to change, while they preach their ignorance to their children and have laws(or lack of) laws to back them up won't work. It didn't work for so long, and that's why these laws had to be made.
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