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OfflineAlmond Flour
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Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! * 1
    #21908632 - 07/07/15 08:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Every single time some state tried to move forward with Marijuana....the federal government showed up with automatic assalt rifles willing to squash any states move against the federal government and their laws.

With this whole cake issue in Oregon, they have violated the constitution. They have squashed a couples right to free speech with a gag order, and have ruined their business because of the homosexual agenda.

I demand that the federal government respond accordingly. This is now about something else entirely. This is about our freedoms. This couple did nothing wrong and now because a couple of homosexuals went.....cried because their "feelings were hurt" and have caused devastation against a couple who were simply practicing their faith. The Oregon government pissed all over our basic rights as Americans

What are the odds Obama will protect our constitution?


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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: Almond Flour] * 1
    #21908641 - 07/07/15 08:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:greatjob:

some cake idiot's didn't want to put some penises on their customer's cake so some couple decided to draw attention to their shoddy business practices, and you're mad at them?

oh right. well, the dumb cake maker's probably should have just worked with and done what their customer's wanted, otherwise, bad publicity is sure to follow...especially if they won't do "gay weddings" (cakes, that is). that's frankly putting out a message that they don't care about their business and that they're gonna treat people like crap whenever it suits their religious belief's.

i hope it got brought to court and they got told to shut the fuck up, and i hope their business suffer's for it.


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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21908650 - 07/07/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

As soon as they're willing to not cater to anyone who eats shellfish, has had a divorce, wears mixed fiber clothing, and/or has a garden with more than one type of plant in it, then I'll take them seriously...
They'll be out of business, but at least then I'd respect their religious freedoms since they're not discriminating.


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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: shLong]
    #21908655 - 07/07/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: Almond Flour]
    #21908657 - 07/07/15 08:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This bullshit is PROOF. This isnt about gay marriage. Its about...

"You better get on board with the moral revolution.....Or else" \


Fuck you Oregon


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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: Almond Flour]
    #21908658 - 07/07/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Why pick what passages of that stupid fucking chapter you choose to believe?
Don't you have a child out of wedlock?


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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: shLong] * 2
    #21908690 - 07/07/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Almond's entire life is out of wedlock.


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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: Almond Flour] * 1
    #21908759 - 07/07/15 08:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That's why you have it plastered across the front door, " we have a right to refuse service to anyone". They don't have to make a fucking cake for someone of they don't want to. This is America, and they are running a business; they aren't slaves.


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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: greencrush420]
    #21908772 - 07/07/15 08:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

greencrush420 said:
That's why you have it plastered across the front door, " we have a right to refuse service to anyone". They don't have to make a fucking cake for someone of they don't want to. This is America, and they are running a business; they aren't slaves.




Not anymore

the business was ordered to pay 135, 000 $ in damages to the gay couple.

Priests now have to perform gay marriages too or else.

Why do gays get these special privileges


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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: Shins]
    #21908781 - 07/07/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Fuck that
Customer: Make me a cake.
Business: No
Customer: I'm pressing charges then!
Govt: You must pay customer $135,000 in fines.
Fines for what? What fucking law was broken? What crime are you charging me with, bitch?

The gay marriage bullshit is a whole nother can of worms. I'm not even going to dip into the separation of church and state problem, in this thread.


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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: greencrush420] * 1
    #21908790 - 07/07/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

greencrush420 said:
That's why you have it plastered across the front door, " we have a right to refuse service to anyone". They don't have to make a fucking cake for someone of they don't want to. This is America, and they are running a business; they aren't slaves.



that's for people who are unruly. don't give us any of that "freedom" crap. you wanna know freedom? you deny someone based on their race or creed, because you're free to, right? well they're also free to bad mouth your business, and get in as much in edge-wise as they can, and if the business suffer's well, you can blame freedom for that.

you don't deny someone's procuring of goods and services, because they're gay. it's not only immensely

stupid

idiotic

assholeish

baseless

retarded

asinine

foolish

unintelligent

ridiculous

but it's also just plain uncivil.

Quote:

greencrush420 said:

The gay marriage bullshit is a whole nother can of worms. I'm not even going to dip into the separation of church and state problem, in this thread.


because you can't.

you can't deny someone good and services based on their race or creed. we've ended segregation. you need to get a lead on this whole thinking thing.


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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: Almond Flour]
    #21908791 - 07/07/15 09:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

In each case, hasn't federal law superseded state law?


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: Shins]
    #21908793 - 07/07/15 09:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Shins said:


Why do gays get these special privileges



because they shouldn't be denied those privileges that everyone else has, just because they're gay. priest's marry people, it's their fucking job.

America the Whiny.


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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
    #21908804 - 07/07/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No private sector business owner should ever have to do business with anyone they do not wish to.

It's better to know who the bigots are so you can take your money elsewhere.


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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #21908821 - 07/07/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So, they wouldn't make someone a cake because they were gay and according to their religious beliefs being gay is sinful... ?

I'm pretty sure that gluttony is mentioned more often in the bible than homosexuality.

Maybe this was just God's way of punishing their business that is essentially built on sin.

:shrug:


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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21908829 - 07/07/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

sure they shouldn't HAVE TO. the price of freedom. people are FREE to be segregating 18th century bigots with innate complex's of the human mind's inability to reason.

but people should certainly know to take their money somewhere else...and  stupid thing is if that ever happened, you'd see it in the news "this business poor business, all because of this new thing called Gayness! come support this local business because of what the gay people did to it!"

"oh yeah, i hate gays and this new propaganda, so i'll go and support this confectionery for the right's to people not having to like or support gaydom in America!"

i don't think that they should have been fined, but i certainly think that their business deserves to suffer, if they aren't going to cater to everyone like a business should.


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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21908835 - 07/07/15 09:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:frankly:
That's tough shit. If they want a cake that bad, they are FREE to buy it somewhere else. I damn well could have a debate on seperation of church and state, but you are clearly such an intellectually undeveloped, ignorant imbecile,  that I would be wasting my time and effort by trying to change your point of view. You want the Government in your business, restricting your rights, and poking their nose where it doesn't belong? Good for you. Why are you a member of a site, where almost everybody, is against the oppressive level of control that the government exerts over our day to day lives? Are you just here to troll? 50 thousand posts, and all you can do is troll?


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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21908851 - 07/07/15 09:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

akira_akuma said:
"oh yeah, i hate gays and this new propaganda, so i'll go and support this confectionery for the right's to people not having to like or support gaydom in America!"




You have to take the bad with the good. Businesses that discriminate likely won't do well long term. In the mean time, you've given the bigots a cause.

I don't want my money going to closet bigots. You still don't force people to do business with anyone.


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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: greencrush420]
    #21908890 - 07/07/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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greencrush420 said:
:frankly:
That's tough shit. If they want a cake that bad, they are FREE to buy it somewhere else. I damn well could have a debate on separation of church and state, but you are clearly such an intellectually undeveloped, ignorant imbecile,  that I would be wasting my time and effort by trying to change your point of view. You want the Government in your business, restricting your rights, and poking their nose where it doesn't belong? Good for you. Why are you a member of a site, where almost everybody, is against the oppressive level of control that the government exerts over our day to day lives? Are you just here to troll? 50 thousand posts, and all you can do is troll?



:blah:

they got charges brought on them, which shouldn't have happened, and i explained that already. did this gay couple have any say in this fine? i mean, they didn't sue them. no, what they did was report them (however they did so, doesn't really bother me considering i hate bigots anyway), and guess what, it appears there are anti-discrimination laws in Ireland (this isn't even America; so many times i'm told to fuck off to Canada from here, but lookie loo look at this... an American debate is important for Ireland right?) "the rule of law says there shall be no discrimination in the commercial sphere", and not only that (which i was frankly unaware of; and anti-discrimination laws is a touchy subject) but apparently the idiot baker's were in contractual agreement with the couple to make the cake, and they just didn't anyway.

now look, Sparky. if they were in a contract with them, the couple could have sued anyway...but they didn't...what happened is the media got a hold of this, and now everyone's got their say AND this bakery has to face discrimination charges (same thing would apply to a white person or a Cherokee Indian or whomever else being denied from a African or Asian establishment), and they have to because they discriminated against someone in their business. commerce cannot be denied when you're in business, first off, that's basically 101. but let alone the inherent idiocy of it all, guess what else, they'll be lucky if they don't get fined, but even if they get let off those charges, the couple can still sue. they were obliged to make the cake when they made the agreement to the customer to make it.

now peddle off now.


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Re: Federal vs. Oregon...GAYS! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21908895 - 07/07/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:

You have to take the bad with the good. Businesses that discriminate likely won't do well long term. In the mean time, you've given the bigots a cause.

I don't want my money going to closet bigots. You still don't force people to do business with anyone.



that's just it though, OP and other's are just gonna use this ammunition, when it's not even pertinent to anything other than their agenda which isn't even in the sphere's of business... it's just politics. stupidity.


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