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The Meanings Behind Aya Visions
    #21907878 - 07/06/15 11:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Im curently on a high dose of aya so forgive me but before I leave I was wondering what the spotted leopard means I was playing with him in a forest. The mother said he meant something she huged me because I cant stop crying thinking about how they took him away. I think I will meditate and go back but the leopard meant more than I understand I feel connected to him. We took him by we I mean people but me and him were haveing such fun...


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Re: The Meanings Behind Aya Visions [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21907908 - 07/06/15 11:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Im actually coming down now that was a lot shorter than I expected maybe 2 hours. Its what I get for using acria but I saw a lot of things and they all felt meaningful I will go into more detail when im fully back.


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Re: The Meanings Behind Aya Visions [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21907985 - 07/07/15 12:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: The Meanings Behind Aya Visions [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21911077 - 07/07/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Im curently on a high dose of aya so forgive me but before I leave I was wondering what the spotted leopard means I was playing with him in a forest. The mother said he meant something she huged me because I cant stop crying thinking about how they took him away. I think I will meditate and go back but the leopard meant more than I understand I feel connected to him. We took him by we I mean people but me and him were haveing such fun...




It's nice to hear that you had an interesting journey. I'd like to think of the various animals within the realm of Ayahuasca, as representing various aspects of our personality..challenges, understandings, etc. Once we fully understand the nature of each animal by integrating with it, we can move to the next stage of understanding. Each animal representing various stages of that integration as well. There is no coincidence that those who journey encounter these animals. They are there for a specific reason. Good luck with your travels =)


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Re: The Meanings Behind Aya Visions [Re: PlantSeeker]
    #21912116 - 07/07/15 09:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thats what I felt like I became the spotted leopard at one point it felt so powering. That changed my life I have a whole new respect for everything alive their all beings just like us. Thier not stupid they're just more connected to her than us. The mother is mother nature I think and the plant shows us her way.


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Re: The Meanings Behind Aya Visions [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21912589 - 07/07/15 11:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The funny thing is, we already know what's expected of us, and what to do in this world. But the majority of people take another path and choose the material world over anything else. We are at war, and have been at war since the beginning.. the modern world vs. the ancient world. It's time for people to pick a side.

How long have you been traveling for?


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Re: The Meanings Behind Aya Visions [Re: PlantSeeker]
    #21912848 - 07/08/15 12:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Last night was the first time I whent anywhere before that it was more of just visual distortions. Its my second dose but in my mind the first real one. Im going to start brewing some traditional ayahuasca with b caapi and chakruna im thinking of taking a year off western life and go out to peru although im not sure if I will.

It would be nice I may right down a list of questions for them about the experience and see if they will train me im going to try and explain that westerners like the medicine but we take it and crash around the other world with no understanding of what were doing or what it means. I just want to know the basics of the shaman culture and see if when I got back I could help people here and do some healing of my own. Its just a dream though I doubt I will go through with it.  Although it would be a good thing to do like right a book on how to properly use ayahuasca in a shamanistic manner along with a list of visions and what they can mean. Sort of a guide to navigating the realms of healing.


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Re: The Meanings Behind Aya Visions [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21913157 - 07/08/15 01:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There's always interesting healing going on in Peru. I miss the country very much. I have not had an opportunity to visit this year =( But when I am there, I locate different healers to take the sacred medicine. It's legal in the country, so they don't bother you at all =) One thing I can tell you is that not every person there claiming to be a real shaman, is a shaman. It's so much "ayahuasca tourism" going on there, anyone can call themselves a shaman, and get that american dollar for a retreat, etc.

Depending on the Amazon city you wish to visit, there's things that you need to be aware of. You can travel to Pucallpa, Iquitos, Tarapoto, or Madre de Dios. Iquitos is by far my favorite, as the entire area is surrounded by the various rivers and amazon river as well. You can only enter by boat or by plane. So keep that in perspective for a moment.. levels of negative energy can't enter, as a car will never be able to drive on in =) You wont see a mcdonalds, a starbucks, or anything like that, thank god! But, the tourism is high, and a lot of westerns there to take the medicine with various different healers. There are some healers who are just about the money, and charge about $100 per ceremony, or even get you stuck in a retreat for $3,000 or 3 weeks or so. Watch out for those guys! I personally only work with a handful of healers throughout the country, and their reputations for healing are known all over the world. You just have to weed out the bad healers from the good ones, like you select a doctor at a hospital. I remember my first trip there, I phoned a shaman to meet up with him, and his assistant said that he was at the casino. Casino? Are you serious? Yes, he was serious. It finally came out later, that particular healer had some bad demons in him, as he raped some Canadian females during an ceremony, and had to make a public apology about it. That has been forgotten, and time has moved on, for him, but not for the poor victims.

Another thing to be careful of is buying any ayahuasca in the local markets. DO NOT DO THAT! For obvious reasons. You dont know whats in it, and a lot of the times, it is not what it is supposed to be. If you happen to travel to Pucallpa, its a bit more deforested than Iquitos, but its an interesting place. Most of the healers get their ingredients shipped there from iquitos, to make their medicines. The Shipibo Tribe makes the best medicine that I have ever tasted =) They have a unique aspect within their ceremonies, as they are within a tribal context, singing their icaros as a family, and without religion being an aspect of the ceremony. Some modern healers incorporate the Jesus Christ aspect into their ceremonies, which alters the energy in the ceremony. So I personally choose to work with the Shipibo people, or someone who does not add any aspects of religion (man made thing), within any of their ceremonies. I hope that makes sense. The shipibo medicine also keeps the recipe basic. They don't add Toé (I've only met one shipibo shaman who does, and he was in iquitos). Toé is very toxic and really gives you some stomach pains during ceremony, and will have you purging from both ends a lot. It does make visions quite interesting, but no use adding it in the brew, as it's not needed. For those who add it, they want to give more visions to their clients, to guarantee a return trip by the client, and a great review. There was one shipibo healer that I worked with for one occasion who used that, and never again will I take any medicine with Toé included. You survive, but the trip is more brutal than what it needs to be. I was throwing up stomach acid, from throwing up so many times, and had to take it easy for a few days after the ceremony. For someone just starting out, I wouldn't recommend it. Thankfully, I had years of exp before trying it out with that healer. My first ceremony though, almost a decade ago, I had Toé in the brew and it really added a burst of visions and difficulty in piloting as it knocks you into some deeper levels of consciousness, and rips you out of your body. If you're trying to do any special work, especially guiding others, it's a bit hard, as others would find it difficult to navigate.

Tarapoto is also nice, and beautiful waterfalls. I visited there, but didn't make time to do ceremonies in that region. Madre de dios is probably where I'll head to next, as I have not been there yet. There lives an upper banco shaman there, who is a high level shaman. The upper banco shamans are the real deal, stick to the diet, as high as they go shamans. They are the ones who had a calling to it as a child, and have been practicing for several decades with the medicine. Most upper banco shamans, for the few who do remain, do not speak very much, and stay out of the spotlight. They have my deepest respect.

Overall, you'll have blast throughout the country. Just always keep your eyes open. It's easier to rent an apartment, than pay so much at a hotel per day. You can also stay in the Amazon if you wish, and come into the city when necessary. After you take the medicine, you'll go through the integration stage, where you figure out and integrate all of the data you received during the ceremony. You'll then formulate how you're going to put that knowledge into action. Certain friends you will disassociate with, foods you won't eat anymore, etc. For all those that have had geninue aya, they know what I mean.

Get your plane ticket, and take a leap of faith and get out there! Food is also amazing! Coastal food (lima), Andean food (Cusco), and Amazonian food. All are delicious. Sadly, I still have not found any Peruvian restaurants in the states that offer any Amazonian dishes.

One more thing, I have typed a novel already.. But Cusco has healers as well, who work with the Coca leaves. They will tell you some very interesting things. You can find some of the best healers, diviners in that region with the Q'eros people. You also have some westerners having aya ceremonies there, but the prices are terrible.. Shaman shop was the name of the place. I think it was $150 a ceremony, as I saw it on a sign hanging from their front door... again, its a business for some, as westerners own that shop. But you're welcome to bring medicine there with you, if you happen to find a healer genuine healer who has worked with it, and willing to assist you with the ceremony. Just keep in mind, I wouldnt do any ceremonies within the first two weeks there. The oxygen is very thin, and it'll take your body a short time to acclimatize itself to the lack in oxygen. This could pose a problem in an aya ceremony, if your body has not acclimated to the changed in the environment yet.

Good luck, and follow your dreams. If you're doing that homemade ayahuasca stuff, be careful. you're not under the care of a shaman, and can open yourself up to attack. Imagine the world of the shaman, as being a live, real world. A world that is more real than this one. We all wish to connect to this world, and we see it with what we presently have. Everyone wants to get on the internet, and speak with others by phone, send photos etc. Then you have hackers, who go online, to cause problems to those who don't have a firewall up, and/or proper anti-virus setup. So imagine that shamanic world is being like that. You taking the medicine is logging you into another world, a world that is not familiar to you. Without the proper training, and knowledge of spiritual protection, it IS a dangerous place. Bad shamans (Brujos) are able to send darts, which can attack you, and get you sick, and create other issues as well. I highly recommend having palo santo, mapacho, agua florida, to name a few. Bad spirits like to come out, when you "login" to your ceremony, as you're opened up those sacred doors to your soul, and they're hungry for more power and control. Just be careful. I'm off to bed. Good night.


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Re: The Meanings Behind Aya Visions [Re: PlantSeeker]
    #21913214 - 07/08/15 02:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Wow that is the most detailed response I ever got... :billymaythumbup:. Thanks bro I may actually do it I really want to travel the whole country meeting the different kind of shamans like take a year of im only 19 so I can do that no problem. I think im going to get baic no hotels or anything just backpacking in the jungle spending real time in nature. I want to learn from a shaman not just participate but be like an apprentice. I think I will travel and see the different style shamans (legit ones) and then see if someone I like would teach me what they know. When I come back I think I will start growing small psychotria viridis trees and maybe a few caapi plants (supposing they grow in the usa) I will spend a year there I need to figure out what im doing with my life anyways im still young and this may help me find my path.


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Re: The Meanings Behind Aya Visions [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21917919 - 07/09/15 03:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Can the Ethiopian change his skin,

or the leopard his spots?

And you, can you do what is right,

you so accustomed to wrong?

-- Jeremiah, 13,23


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