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Eveniftheskyfalls
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Yield problems
#21907475 - 07/06/15 09:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ive tried the search bar but couldnt quite find my problem.. Im doing some albino a+ in a sgfc. The cakes are yielding only 1-2 mushrooms each but the mushrooms are huge. Bigger than ive ever had before, while my friend doing the same strain is getting great clusters of mushrooms like i usually do. avg Humidity is 75% which im guessing is the problem but im having trouble getting it up. Have tried misting more, re rinsing perlite etc. Can anyone help? Also they arent getting any light but that didnt make a big difference before for me.
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Ikarus
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Grown from spores? The most logical answer would be that you got different genetics than your friend, as would be expected.
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Eveniftheskyfalls
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Re: Yield problems [Re: Ikarus]
#21907511 - 07/06/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ikarus said: Grown from spores? The most logical answer would be that you got different genetics than your friend, as would be expected.
I dont think that the case since our cakes came from the same syringes, all 16 of his are great and all 16 of mine arent lol. That was my guess at first but then all of my cakes had the same problem.
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Ikarus
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Doesn't matter if it's the same syringe. It's like if the same two people had 10 kids. None of them would be the same. There could very well be environmental factors at play, but luck is probably a large part of it too
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TravelAgency
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Each syringe contains millions of spores all unique. I've had jars inoculated with the same syringe take up to a week difference in colonization time.
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Eveniftheskyfalls
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i know how multi spore injection works, but out of the year of growing this is the first time this has happen and it really seems like spores arent the problem. So assuming spores arent whats wrong and its something else, can anyone help.
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Ikarus
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A picture would help. But the fact that you've done this for a year leads me to believe you know what you're doing. Which makes it all the more likely it's a genetics thing.
If you really need to get your relative humidity up, you could always lower the room temp a couple degrees.
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PinPornProducer
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Eveniftheskyfalls said: i know how multi spore injection works, but out of the year of growing this is the first time this has happen and it really seems like spores arent the problem. So assuming spores arent whats wrong and its something else, can anyone help.
Have you changed anything with your setup lately? Like a different room, fc etc... It could be genetics but for all of your cakes to be performing that different than your buddies, Sounds like a pinning issue. Something is probably off in your setup
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Laughingcowwa
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Re: Yield problems [Re: Ikarus]
#21907625 - 07/06/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Genetics
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Edited by Laughingcowwa (07/06/15 10:22 PM)
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PussyFart
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Eveniftheskyfalls said: Ive tried the search bar but couldnt quite find my problem.. Im doing some albino a+ in a sgfc. The cakes are yielding only 1-2 mushrooms each but the mushrooms are huge. Bigger than ive ever had before, while my friend doing the same strain is getting great clusters of mushrooms like i usually do. avg Humidity is 75% which im guessing is the problem but im having trouble getting it up. Have tried misting more, re rinsing perlite etc. Can anyone help? Also they arent getting any light but that didnt make a big difference before for me.
Did you dunk and roll the cakes after birthing? What is your misting/fanning pattern?
Humidity is supposed to fluctuate, you never want a constant number, which means you don't rewally need to measure it.
You want constant evaporation, which leads to varying RH levels.
And you should have 6500k light on a 12/12 schedule.....this will help.
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Edited by PussyFart (07/06/15 10:25 PM)
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newrook
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I've had cakes that would only put out massive fruits in small numbers... hell if anything take a clone from the biggest monster and do some agar work.
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Machiavelliavore
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If all his cakes are on way and all yours are another, having come from the same syringe, that suggests you have different conditions. Sure genetics can cause different fruiting behaviors, but with that large of a sample size, from the same distribution of spore genetics, it would be strange if the results varried that much consistently.
If getting a good pinset is the problem, perhaps your humidity is a bit on the low side. You could always tape up some of the holes on your SGFC to get a nice pinset, then uptape them as your fruits grow.
If you are really getting monsters though, you can easily acheive respectible PF yields with only a couple mushrooms per flush.
2.5 to 3.75 oz total would be a typical wet yield, so if you get two .75oz mushies in each of 3 flushes, you're doing well.
The only cakes I've done followed this low quantities of large fruit pattern, even in a very high humidity low FAE environment.
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PussyFart
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Machiavelliavore said: If getting a good pinset is the problem, perhaps your humidity is a bit on the low side. You could always tape up some of the holes on your SGFC to get a nice pinset, then uptape them as your fruits grow.
This info should be disreguarded, as it is completely false.....restricting the amount of airflow thru the tub will only lower the internal RH, as there will be less evaporation happenning, not more....this is common sense.
Furthermore, you want a fluctuation in RH, not constantly high......no where in any PF tek does it call for taping up any holes, and the creator of said chamber has told countless noobs this very thing.
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Machiavelliavore
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The thought was that if there were more/larger holes than there should be, or it is in a space with excessive airflow, maybe his cakes drying out too quickly. Now that I think about it, this is probably only valid for MSG's, since the evaporation occurs mostly off the perlite not the substrate in an SGFC. MSG's can dry out badly if the air flow in the room is high (window/fan.)
With an SGFC, the evaporation off the perlite should compensate any drying of the substrate due to increased air exchange then?
Apologies for any wrong info I gave on this subject.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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Eveniftheskyfalls
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the only difference in setup was before i had a transparent sgfc inside of a larger opaque container, now the sgfc itself is opaque. It is a stealth grow as some would call it. humidty is stable at 70% where before i always had it around 90%, ill try to get it up. thanks everyone
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