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MidwestShroomin
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First Monotub grow [1st grow ever]..just spawned to bulk. I have questions AND concerns..[PICS]
#21906406 - 07/06/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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2 FULL quarts of spawn was spawned to ~4 quarts of HorsePoo/Straw from a reputable vendor to a 31qt container giving me a little over 3" of substrate.
I mixed the bottom layer, layered the middle, and mixed the top (read someone did it before, just experimenting..figure I'll grow SOMETHING even if I screw up a little).
I lined it with a plastic garbage bag and cut it with scissors so that the substrate was even with the bottom holes.
I wiped everything down with 70% alcohol mixed with water. (even though I've read it's not necessary.
Here are the questions:
1. If there is straw on top of the substrate sticking up...or just visible, does that make it more prone to contams?
2. I didn't leave any room for a casing layer. I'm growing and read they don't need to be cased, but heard they do better with one...If need be I have like 1/5th an inch left I could sprinkle some casing once colonized. What do?
3. Since I mixed the top, there are grains exposed...big problem? I've read mixed opinions.
And here are the pics:



And here is a picture of the spawn yesterday:

Update: I've taken most of the straw off of the top to reduce contams..here is the pics:


Edited by MidwestShroomin (07/13/15 07:48 PM)
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SteveRogers
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Re: First Monotub grow [1st grow ever]..just spawned to bulk. I have questions AND concerns..[PICS] [Re: MidwestShroomin]
#21906451 - 07/06/15 06:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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take the vendors name out of your post. dont drag them into this.
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MidwestShroomin
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Re: First Monotub grow [1st grow ever]..just spawned to bulk. I have questions AND concerns..[PICS] [Re: SteveRogers]
#21906455 - 07/06/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Drag? I thought we could mention vendors names. If it turns out good, which the spawn bags were excellent then it's just more publicity for them. Guess I'm just a half glass full type
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Edited by MidwestShroomin (07/06/15 06:39 PM)
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Re: First Monotub grow [1st grow ever]..just spawned to bulk. I have questions AND concerns..[PICS] [Re: MidwestShroomin]
#21906470 - 07/06/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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No it is strictly not allowed. You are saying you are using his products to commit a felony. Do not put his business at risk like that.
spores are for microscopy only. and the products Mike sells are for growing edible varieties.
just take that out and we will be happy to help you. you can drop the attitude
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MidwestShroomin
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Re: First Monotub grow [1st grow ever]..just spawned to bulk. I have questions AND concerns..[PICS] [Re: SteveRogers]
#21906503 - 07/06/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Solid point. I apologize, it's been edited.
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Re: First Monotub grow [1st grow ever]..just spawned to bulk. I have questions AND concerns..[PICS] [Re: MidwestShroomin]
#21906523 - 07/06/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ok.
can i ask what length you cut the straw to? it looks long.
also in the picture of the spawn bag you posted, there is a pink hue toward the left side. is that just a shadow? did you notice any discoloration before breaking it up?
regarding the pieces poking out of the top. I try to avoid it, but have not had a contam issue with a few poking up. That said, I greatly prefer a smooth and leveled flat substrate to get denser pin sets.
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Re: First Monotub grow [1st grow ever]..just spawned to bulk. I have questions AND concerns..[PICS] [Re: SteveRogers]
#21906526 - 07/06/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I never use straw so idk, but I press my sub's surface so anything sticking up gets stuck down.
You have room to case, a quarter inch of casing would be fine. But it's not necessary and there's plenty of full-canopy flushes from non-cased tubs so I don't think casings are better, just different.
Not a problem. Some prefer to have more grains on the surface of their mixed substrate so the top colonizes quicker.
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Re: First Monotub grow [1st grow ever]..just spawned to bulk. I have questions AND concerns..[PICS] [Re: Icon]
#21906551 - 07/06/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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SteveRogers said: ok.
can i ask what length you cut the straw to? it looks long.
also in the picture of the spawn bag you posted, there is a pink hue toward the left side. is that just a shadow? did you notice any discoloration before breaking it up?
regarding the pieces poking out of the top. I try to avoid it, but have not had a contam issue with a few poking hp. That said, I greatly prefer a smooth and leveled flat substrate to get denser pin sets.
I did not cut the straw, it was pre-cut already mixed in with the Hpoo. Its been about 3 hours since i've covered the lid up and everything, should I just leave it be? Or should I open it up to gently pat the straw down. Or once it is fully colonized, before I put the casing layer over it, I can pick some of the straw out?
The picture of the spawn bag must have been some kind of glaring light, there was definitely no pink in the mycelium.
Thanks for the response, I appreciate it.
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Icon said: I never use straw so idk, but I press my sub's surface so anything sticking up gets stuck down.
You have room to case, a quarter inch of casing would be fine. But it's not necessary and there's plenty of full-canopy flushes from non-cased tubs so I don't think casings are better, just different.
Not a problem. Some prefer to have more grains on the surface of their mixed substrate so the top colonizes quicker.
Thank you for the sigh of relief
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Edited by MidwestShroomin (07/06/15 06:50 PM)
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Re: First Monotub grow [1st grow ever]..just spawned to bulk. I have questions AND concerns..[PICS] [Re: SteveRogers]
#21906589 - 07/06/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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SteveRogers said: No it is strictly not allowed. You are saying you are using his products to commit a <sic>. Translate = Don't do that bro
spores are for microscopy only. and the products <sic> sells are for growing edible varieties.
just take that out and we will be happy to help you. you can drop the attitude
I would say not to mention the F word at all. The server is in the US; getting specifics wouldn't be that hard. PS: I'm a former victim of arrest for 'cyber crime' (having a go at the genocide in Gaza) so edit everything out, chances are there are 'people' (if you could even call them human beings and no I don't mean aliems) browsing here just looking to string a man up.
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Edited by Diacetylmorphine (07/06/15 06:58 PM)
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SteveRogers
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Re: First Monotub grow [1st grow ever]..just spawned to bulk. I have questions AND concerns..[PICS] [Re: MidwestShroomin]
#21906607 - 07/06/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wow that is a LOT of straw sitting on the top like that if it was a premixed 50/50 hpoo/straw deal. I would probably try and mix that in more with the manure and pick the longer bits off the top so there arnt large pieces which the mycelium has to climb. Straw has a tendency to trich out on you if it sits uncolonized long enough.
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MidwestShroomin
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Re: First Monotub grow [1st grow ever]..just spawned to bulk. I have questions AND concerns..[PICS] [Re: SteveRogers]
#21906686 - 07/06/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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SteveRogers said: Wow that is a LOT of straw sitting on the top like that if it was a premixed 50/50 hpoo/straw deal. I would probably try and mix that in more with the manure and pick the longer bits off the top so there arnt large pieces which the mycelium has to climb. Straw has a tendency to trich out on you if it sits uncolonized long enough.
I am currently taking all of (or most of) the straw off of the top and discarding it. I will take a pic when its all said and done, your last sentence scared the fuck out of me
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Edited by MidwestShroomin (07/06/15 07:19 PM)
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Re: First Monotub grow [1st grow ever]..just spawned to bulk. I have questions AND concerns..[PICS] [Re: MidwestShroomin]
#21906739 - 07/06/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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did not mean to scare you with that. i have done tubs with straw only and its been fine. I was just looking at some of those super long pieces and thinking it would take more time than i'd be willing to gamble with to colonize. Only If they were just sticking up in the air with no way for mycelium to reach it but climbing the single stalk would i really be picking stuff off the substrate.
Fucking with it too much will also cause problems. I was just surprised how it was mixed.
Hopefully some more of the straw lovers will chime in. I really dont use it much these days. But I have seen tremendous results from others
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Re: First Monotub grow [1st grow ever]..just spawned to bulk. I have questions AND concerns..[PICS] [Re: MidwestShroomin]
#21906799 - 07/06/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I did not mix them or anything, just took straw off of the top..hopefully some straw peoples chime in. How's it look?
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Edited by MidwestShroomin (07/06/15 07:48 PM)
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Re: First Monotub grow [1st grow ever]..just spawned to bulk. I have questions AND concerns..[PICS] [Re: MidwestShroomin]
#21906849 - 07/06/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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looks fine. dont mess with it anymore.
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MidwestShroomin
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Re: First Monotub grow [1st grow ever]..just spawned to bulk. I have questions AND concerns..[PICS] [Re: SteveRogers]
#21909154 - 07/07/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So basically let it colonize for around 10 days THEN do nothing for another 7 days while it is condensing/consolidating?
Thanks!
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Re: First Monotub grow [1st grow ever]..just spawned to bulk. I have questions AND concerns..[PICS] [Re: MidwestShroomin]
#21909414 - 07/07/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You let it colonize to 100% whether that be 8, 10 or 14 days. Then you fruit it right away, tubs don't need to consolidate.
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MidwestShroomin
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Re: First Monotub grow [1st grow ever]..just spawned to bulk. I have questions AND concerns..[PICS] [Re: Icon]
#21910019 - 07/07/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So is this outdated information then?..here's a quote from RR:
Allow for 100% colonization plus one week for best results. This applies to mushroom substrates. It matters not whether cakes or bulk.
This doesn't mean your project will fail if you don't. It simply means that fruiting will rarely occur before that week anyway, so why not leave it sealed up to preserve moisture and let the mycelium digest a bit more food before exposing to fruiting conditions? I find it odd that so many people around here are stuck with what is 'good enough' and 'the way it was done ten years ago' when better ways have been found. The commercial farms always let the substrates sit for a week to a month after full colonization. Why? Because fruiting room real estate is at a premium, but colonization space is cheap and easy to maintain. By allowing for consolidation of the substrate, the eventual flush is faster, larger, and more even.
The astute grower will use the consolidation time to start more projects so that when the first one comes out of fruiting conditions, he has more ready to go in. RR
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Re: First Monotub grow [1st grow ever]..just spawned to bulk. I have questions AND concerns..[PICS] [Re: MidwestShroomin]
#21912153 - 07/07/15 09:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yea, it usually does take a week or two after 100% before it pins, but I find that letting it consolidate during that time just delays it even longer. Whereas introducing FAE and putting it into fruiting right away, the sub continues to fill in and pin as soon as it's ready to.
If you're not in any rush then you could wait a week or month extra too. But I've never had the patience for that. Maybe if I had many others already fruiting.
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