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Re: Greece refuses to take responsibility of their fuck up [Re: koods]
#21905141 - 07/06/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: Whether you like it or not, government spending has proven to be the best way to recover from economic downturns.
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koods said: Whether you like it or not, government spending has proven to be the best way to recover from economic downturns.
Wrong all it does is postpone the downturn until later, also making it worse.
this is so obvious even a liberal should get it.
History proves you wrong
No it doesn't.
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Re: Greece refuses to take responsibility of their fuck up [Re: Shins]
#21905145 - 07/06/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes it does.
Government spending got us out of the Great Depression and led to the greatest expansion of wealth in the history of the world, and Keynesian economic theory has been practiced successfully ever since.
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Re: Greece refuses to take responsibility of their fuck up [Re: koods] 2
#21905153 - 07/06/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Canadian economy was notable in the last downturn in that its banking system was relatively unscathed, due mainly to tighter regulations.
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Re: Greece refuses to take responsibility of their fuck up [Re: koods]
#21905165 - 07/06/15 12:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods, you're a liberal, so even if you studied this particular subject, you can't be trusted to not simply be parroting other liberal opinions, which makes you weak and stoopid.
right? that's how this works, i think.
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Re: Greece refuses to take responsibility of their fuck up [Re: akira_akuma]
#21905177 - 07/06/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: Whether you like it or not, government spending has proven to be the best way to recover from economic downturns.
It's kind of like giving oxygen to a person who can't breathe well. When they recover they can breath on their own again. When you withhold oxygen, the person either dies or develops chronic problems that end up causing more problems for everybody else in the long run.
Your analogy fails because the economy nevr did, and never will breathe on its own again. It is on constant life support and is requiring more and more even just to stay alive then.
a better analogy is that giving heroin to a heroin addict makes them better for the time being, but unless you constantly keep injecting heroin the economy will experience withdrawal. If you don't stop, tolerance will keep building until an OD.
Cool counter-analogy, but withdrawal causes more drastic problems than addiction does. Addiction has sneakier and more subtle dangers, but sudden withdrawal is deadly right away. Look at the rioting in Greece. You're better off buying time figuring out what to do about the subtle problems than you are by withholding needed help and causing heavy damage to the economy right away.
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akira_akuma said: koods, you're a liberal, so even if you studied this particular subject, you can't be trusted to not simply be parroting other liberal opinions, which makes you weak and stoopid.
right? that's how this works, i think.
You're jumping the gun.
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Re: Greece refuses to take responsibility of their fuck up [Re: Mr.GuessWork] 1
#21905251 - 07/06/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Greece is basically; when your heroin dealer stops fronting you and you're broke/a raging junkie.
the liberal socialists think that if you could just find more heroin everything will be ok, and that doing more and more heroin is a real solution.
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Re: Greece refuses to take responsibility of their fuck up [Re: koods]
#21905254 - 07/06/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: Yes it does.
Government spending got us out of the Great Depression and led to the greatest expansion of wealth in the history of the world, and Keynesian economic theory has been practiced successfully ever since.
You call it success? You have extremely low standards then.
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Re: Greece refuses to take responsibility of their fuck up [Re: Shins] 1
#21905259 - 07/06/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah addiction to food and other necessities of life is just like being a heroin junkie
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Re: Greece refuses to take responsibility of their fuck up [Re: nicechrisman] 1
#21905275 - 07/06/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: Yeah addiction to food and other necessities of life is just like being a heroin junkie
I 'm talking about monetary heroin; loans. The greeks have a problem with addiction; they are addicted to spending other peoples money.
Now those other people are saying; "fuck you greece, youre not going to be able to pay us off, were not giving you ano more crack unless you get your spending under control.
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Re: Greece refuses to take responsibility of their fuck up [Re: Shins]
#21905279 - 07/06/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shins said: Greece is basically; when your heroin dealer stops fronting you and you're broke/a raging junkie.
the liberal socialists think that if you could just find more heroin everything will be ok, and that doing more and more heroin is a real solution.
Nobody said it was the real solution. They just said it was better. Raging junkies are bad for everybody's business. Satiated addicts are much more useful because they can still function.
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Re: Greece refuses to take responsibility of their fuck up [Re: nicechrisman]
#21905287 - 07/06/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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there for heroin
this systems crazy how it could do that and the only correcting is in the future with the mess or the getaway crime in the past. Still dont understand it.
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Re: Greece refuses to take responsibility of their fuck up [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
#21905289 - 07/06/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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And still vote democrat...
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Re: Greece refuses to take responsibility of their fuck up [Re: Patlal]
#21905296 - 07/06/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Patlal said: I don't know why people are bashing austerity so much. It's actually the RIGHT thing to do BY FAR.
If anyone bothered to look at the numbers you would realize that the EU and the US had practically the same growth rebound. The ony difference is that the US endebte itself madly to get the same results.
In 2012, the EU suffered because of Spain, Greece and France but it only knocked off 1% growth compared to the US.
Whoever says that spending money you don't have is the best way to get out of debt is mad.
When has right and wrong ever entered the arena of economics?
Ignoring the fact that austerity doesn't work, it's not even right.
Banks make shitty decisions. economy blows up. Give money to banks. no money left. ??? Stupid welfare queens!
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Re: Greece refuses to take responsibility of their fuck up [Re: Shins]
#21905301 - 07/06/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shins said: And still vote democrat...
I think most of the junkies are dumb enough to vote republican even though it's against their best interests.
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Re: Greece refuses to take responsibility of their fuck up [Re: The Ecstatic]
#21905304 - 07/06/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Banks were forced to give loans. The ECB basically created "equality" in lending standards among the EU where greece was basically getting the same rates as germany... another genius socialist idea.
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Re: Greece refuses to take responsibility of their fuck up [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
#21905317 - 07/06/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think most of the junkies are dumb enough to vote republican even though it's against their best interests.
Why would a junkie ever vote for anyone other than the one who gives them free heroin?
The trick is to never start doing heroin in the first place, that's the conservative position.
Liberals say "look guys giving heroin to a withdrawing junkie makes them better! See? Liberal economics works!
while in reality they are the heroin dealers who got the junkie hoked in the first place and are whi beneifit from the junkie needing more heroin constantly
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Re: Greece refuses to take responsibility of their fuck up [Re: Shins]
#21905324 - 07/06/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wow you should go to Fox news and see if you can sell them on this whole "liberal junkie" theme you've got going. I'll bet they'd eat it right up.
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Re: Greece refuses to take responsibility of their fuck up [Re: nicechrisman] 1
#21905339 - 07/06/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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hooked on liberalism. LOL fucking seriously, really? damn the US and the rest of whole damn world is addicted to liberalism and not MY -ism, oh what ever shall i do!
we just can't get people off that liberalism and it's evil addictive Heroin like goodness!
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Re: Greece refuses to take responsibility of their fuck up [Re: Shins]
#21905349 - 07/06/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shins said: And still vote democrat...
I think most of the junkies are dumb enough to vote republican even though it's against their best interests.
Why would a junkie ever vote for anyone other than the one who gives them free heroin?
The trick is to never start doing heroin in the first place, that's the conservative position.
Liberals say "look guys giving heroin to a withdrawing junkie makes them better! See? Liberal economics works!
while in reality they are the heroin dealers who got the junkie hoked in the first place and are whi beneifit from the junkie needing more heroin constantly
Junkies are dumb. They do crazy shit like voting republican. I don't know what they're thinking.
We've kinda ridden the metaphor too far at this point though. Here's the problems with the argument anyway. You can't go back in time and not do heroine. The heroine addicts are there, and they need to be dealt with in a way that causes as little damage as possible. Giving them heroine alleviates withdrawal and prevents death in some cases. As long as they're not dying and taking the world with them in the process, then we have time to come up with a better solution. It's obvious that all the "solutions" suck. Some just suck less.
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Re: Greece refuses to take responsibility of their fuck up [Re: nicechrisman]
#21905350 - 07/06/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I hate fox news.
Economic liberalism; keynsian socialism is a pyramis scheme. It creates dependence on central bank debt similar to how heroin creates dependence on heroin from dealers, only the heroin/junkie analogy is much less worse than the economic situation, its just a convienient analogy to help the average brain dead zombie american start to get the slightest clue.
Greece is your future.
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