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Giftofdeprivation
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Heat death of the universe.
#21904027 - 07/06/15 04:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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What if entropy really does have an uneven edge against every other unifying force of physics? What if the reason everything eventually dies, that resources will always be scarce, and that we grow in unkempt destructive natures is because we are participating in one of the universes (in the multiverse) with an unsustainable set of universal laws. (for pubbers, our universe would be the down syndrome kid of the multiverse)
What if our evolutionary path is nothing more than an absolute dead end from the get?
And what the fuck is black matter? Shit bugs me more than the value of "i"
insert black hole/uranus double entendre here.
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I'm going to get ahead of physics now, into the realm of personal opinion.
-Dark Matter is actual matter tucked away in other dimensions. A six dimensional tank could roll through you and you wouldnt feel a thing, there'd only be a small gravitational anomaly.
-All matter decays over time until absolutely nothing is left of the material side of this universe, just the Void from which it came. Then, Boom Shankar! a new Big Bang. A big bang is the ultimate subatomic particle popping out of the Void. And this.. FOREVER!
-The multiverse is a neverending fireworks show of big bangs and yet.. All of them are in the same place, the entire multiverse is an endless turmoil in an eternal Black Hole.
-You can visualize the multiverse as one superstring that vibrates and with each vibration it APPEARS to split itself in two, and so forth for 10100000 permutations. Its all one string though and because that string is all there is, YOU and EVERYTHING is that string.
Simple no?
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Re: Heat death of the universe. [Re: Asante]
#21904047 - 07/06/15 05:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Aliens are real.
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Re: Heat death of the universe. [Re: FreeTheSoul]
#21904054 - 07/06/15 05:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Aliens are YOU and since everything is in the same place and the realm of thoughts and information permeates everything and connects our minds, communicate with them.
DMT, Salvia, sober if you dare.
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This actually scares me, I was reading about this not too long ago.. just imagine NNOTHING kinda hard to take in, But it's only a theory... and think about it if that does happen. what was all this here for in the first place? and will a circle of life come back into motion? More questions than answers, think about how vast the universe is, then think nothing in it no life... What a bummer..
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Re: Heat death of the universe. [Re: Asante]
#21904078 - 07/06/15 05:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm going to get ahead of physics now, into the realm of personal opinion.
I would expect no less of you, Asante 
Damnit, making me think at 5AM. Was half expecting only trolls. I'll be back to reply to this after some much needed sleep. Here's hoping the good replies are not completely lost to Pub overgrowth!
^idk, how do you define life? Better yet, what is consciousness? Maybe all the heat is conscious in a limited and monochromatic way.
I'm passing out.
Edited by Giftofdeprivation (07/06/15 05:40 AM)
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Asante
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Our bodies are agents of entropy, life is an ongoing self propagating reaction that consumes the sun's energy (sun shines on algi, algi grow big on sunshine and shit, big algi get eaten by fish, fish gets eaten by shark, shark shits out food for the algi)
BUT THATS NOT ALL IT IS!
Somehow our nervous systems hook us up to ALL INFORMATION, and we process that too.
But.. we only know our world and our body through our senses, but we only know our senses through our senses too. What does that leave us with? A stream of information, flowing, ones and zeros, vibrations, in that One String that is All Things.
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Re: Heat death of the universe. [Re: Asante]
#21905242 - 07/06/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I like the analogy of dark matter. I'm not sure I like your "universal mitosis" hypothesis (though I've seen similar things in my many DMT trips and one vial wash)
The universe is like one big jello- bowl, jiggling and wobbling amongst itself in relative unison. But jello bowls don't pop in an out of existence. Not even jello particles! It's only the SUPER SMALL that is affected by this bizarre behavior. Maybe each little particle is connected to another dimension, but we just don't really see weird things happening the size of molecules or larger.
I'm more thinking of everything like a tree. As you trace further and further into origins (simpler particles), things are more connected and rooted in many minute ways. It also seems more chaotic and unpredictable (more variables)... Perhaps there are many dimensions beneath the surface, or perhaps there are just a different set of variables that can only minutely affect large scale things. As you pan out, it's just a tree bathing in the sun. It's not going anywhere and any fool knows what it will do... Then again, trees come and go. If we quicken our relative perception of time, the trees blinking in and out of existence might trip us up... So maybe we just don't understand what's happening behind the scenes of particle "teleportation"
Also then again, as mass increases, weird physical laws change (space/time), so who's to say that change wouldn't diminish the size requirement for bizarre behavior. For example, where does black hole information go?
If you get a chance, meditate on that tree-like pattern. Everything tied to a causal chain operates in that way. Developing from small to large, and through dissipating large to small (could also think of dissipation like a lightbulb, or wifi-signal). Everything is tied to those patterns, if it's tied to causality. Eg everything we learn is based on "scaffolding" (same pattern of starting with basic fundamentals, then using those to build more complex ideas).
Meditate too hard and many will call it a psychotic break
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Sounds like asante is hitting the dope bag hard. Vibrational strings, ones and zeros, 6th dimension...
The universe will expand to its max and then collapse into a big crunch which may or may not produce another big bang. Who cares? you will be dead long before it happens.
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Re: Heat death of the universe. [Re: Stonehenge]
#21905862 - 07/06/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You really got it all sussed out, don't you?
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Re: Heat death of the universe. [Re: Stonehenge]
#21905864 - 07/06/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nope, sober as a nun. Never heard of string theory?
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Re: Heat death of the universe. [Re: Asante]
#21905961 - 07/06/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes, of course. There is the "a" string but the "g" string is more interesting. Those nuns must party hearty. They will take off their g strings if you ask them nicely.
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Re: Heat death of the universe. [Re: Stonehenge]
#21905997 - 07/06/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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"What if our evolutionary path is nothing more than an absolute dead end from the get?"
Just out of my own curiosity, what would be the surprise if this happened to be true? What apart from your own life experiences and things that have influenced you makes you think this isn't the case?
I guess my real question is, what else could it be apart from a dead end....infinite existence or ultimate perfection or something?
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well, the second law of thermodynamics states pretty clearly that [matter and] energy is neither created nor destroyed. Matter and energy are interchangeable (E=MC^2), so yeah. Infinite existence for all matter and energy. The question is, where does consciousness come into play?
We are matter and energy, but we will definitely change form over time. Will that form still be conscious?
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Read this article. It talks about a recently published theoretical physics paper that explains the "dark energy" phenomenon, but attributes it to viscocity of the universe. AKA dark matter/energy may not be a thing
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/06/150630155221.htm
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That's so bizarre! Cool article. Though I am always skeptical when a unifying theory's math has the universe fall apart at some unsustainable point. That's why I don't like the heat death thing. If it's all for naught, well, shit.
Plus, if the universe explodes because of your math... Still, despite my negativity, that's a cool article and a neat idea!
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Giftofdeprivation said: That's so bizarre! Cool article. Though I am always skeptical when a unifying theory's math has the universe fall apart at some unsustainable point. That's why I don't like the heat death thing. If it's all for naught, well, shit.
Plus, if the universe explodes because of your math... Still, despite my negativity, that's a cool article and a neat idea!
I mean everything we do is naught for shit cause we die, as individuals and as spieces. And if we don't, well than the ripples of our actions get drowned out by the ripples of other actions, etc.
Who gives a shit, math is cool.
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Giftofdeprivation said: well, the second law of thermodynamics states pretty clearly that [matter and] energy is neither created nor destroyed. Matter and energy are interchangeable (E=MC^2), so yeah. Infinite existence for all matter and energy. The question is, where does consciousness come into play?
We are matter and energy, but we will definitely change form over time. Will that form still be conscious?
This is mostly correct, but you should replace the word "matter" for "mass". The "M" in your equation there stands for mass. Matter is ill-defined in physics and is not conserved. Mass is well defined and is conserved.
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Re: Heat death of the universe. [Re: DieCommie]
#21908554 - 07/07/15 07:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yea mass and energy are infinite in a way, I guess I should have said perfect equilibrium or perfect harmony instead of infinite existence. If anything I think it will just expand so much that everythi ng will be too far apart to interact.l, it will all still be there, neither created or destroyed, just useless.
Our actions are irrelevant, even if the human species lasted billions of years, the sun will eventually engulf the planet removing any trace of existence we might of had, the universe is to vast for anything we dO to mean or impact anyone besides us. In a way everything we ever do or know is for naught, since our very existence will at some point never be known about again, it will be like we were never here.
As for consciousness, well I personally believe existence can't exist without anything to be aware of it, I guess in a way I think consciousness creates matter, instead of matter creating consciousness, but who knows.
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Re: Heat death of the universe. [Re: DieCommie]
#21908557 - 07/07/15 07:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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DieCommie said:
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Giftofdeprivation said: well, the second law of thermodynamics states pretty clearly that [matter and] energy is neither created nor destroyed. Matter and energy are interchangeable (E=MC^2), so yeah. Infinite existence for all matter and energy. The question is, where does consciousness come into play?
We are matter and energy, but we will definitely change form over time. Will that form still be conscious?
This is mostly correct, but you should replace the word "matter" for "mass". The "M" in your equation there stands for mass. Matter is ill-defined in physics and is not conserved. Mass is well defined and is conserved.
that equation is only really correct as an average over intervals of time. So the universe could actually come into a singularity which breaks down that equation
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Re: Heat death of the universe. [Re: theonlysun81] 1
#21908676 - 07/07/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The chances of our universe completely decaying and never springing back to life, per se, is probably unlikely due to the entire nature of the universe.
It had to start some how, it may even have started as soon as the last atom has decayed and no gravitational force is left to attract together whatever there may be.
Wouldn't it be wild if there were an unseen universal trash collector which holds every decayed particle to ever exist, then recycle them all when nothing else is left?
Coincidentally, this means our universe will run in a cyclic model and everything that you see, feel and experience today will occur an infinite number of times after an infinite number of years. Infinite Monkey Theorem at work, there.
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