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CaesarOfMex
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Can DMT prepare you to go straight into a so called heroic mushroom dose?
#21902363 - 07/05/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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My first psychedelic experience was, by accident, what people would consider a "heroic dmt" dose in the form of ayahuasca. It was both nightmarish and wonderful. Had to take a break from dmt for about a year after that, but then all the subsequent oral dmt trips were much, much better and had a quality to them that I thought I'd never come across.
So given that I've had the fortune to experience a few level 5 trips with dmt alone, would that make it easier to start eating 5g dried shrooms right off the bat? Or should I begin small with every new psychedelic I try? I mean...
I mean, as long as I don't have to encounter anything as traumatizing as my very first experience, then I should be good. . .
Edited by CaesarOfMex (07/05/15 07:08 PM)
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Re: Can DMT prepare you to go straight into a so called heroic mushroom dose? [Re: CaesarOfMex]
#21902381 - 07/05/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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CaesarOfMex said: My first psychedelic experience was, by accident, what people would consider a "heroic dmt" dose in the form of ayahuasca. It was both nightmarish and wonderful. Had to take a break from dmt for about a year after that, but then all the subsequent oral dmt trips were much, much better and had a quality to them that I thought I'd never come across.
So given that I've had the fortune to experience a few level 5 trips with dmt alone, would that make it easier to start eating 5g dried shrooms right off the bat? Or should I begin small with every new psychedelic I try? I mean...
I mean, as long as I don't have to encounter anything as traumatizing as my very first experience, then I should be good. . .
I would say its definately possible to do safely. But, I have alot of experience with mushrooms, and I know that strong dose trips can be as intense as DMT. I would realy suggest starting at around 3g
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Re: Can DMT prepare you to go straight into a so called heroic mushroom dose? [Re: MajickMuffin]
#21902404 - 07/05/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think it's very possible as well, but I agree starting out small is the best way no matter what. Since I've never tried shrooms, I guess I could get into a real mess for underestimating them. Thanks!
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Re: Can DMT prepare you to go straight into a so called heroic mushroom dose? [Re: CaesarOfMex]
#21902413 - 07/05/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Edited by MajickMuffin (07/05/15 07:20 PM)
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Re: Can DMT prepare you to go straight into a so called heroic mushroom dose? [Re: MajickMuffin]
#21903452 - 07/05/15 11:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Idk man its different I would take 3.5 grams and then go for 5 grams. 3.5 grams is a good dose I had no experience with psychedelics and had 4 grams for my first trip. It turned out fine so im sure you will do fine on any dose up until the 6 gram or larger just remember that 5 grams may very well be as insane as a super strong DMT trip. if you go past six you will need a sitter.
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Re: Can DMT prepare you to go straight into a so called heroic mushroom dose? [Re: thewanderer25]
#21904152 - 07/06/15 06:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Can DMT prepare you to go straight into a so called heroic mushroom dose? [Re: filthyknees]
#21904312 - 07/06/15 07:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you are familiar with DMT-breakthroughs than there is no problem starting high with mushrooms. Take at least 3 grams. Beware, they can be a hell of a ride, it's ups and downs, very rough compared to other psychedelics. But if you can let go and relax it will be a very blissfull journey.
I've never been in DMT-hyperspace, but I can tell you there is mushroom-hyperspace you will reach when dosing high enough in the dark. Take a quater and you may reach that place, but an eight will hardly do that.
Take them in the dark at night to get the most out of it.
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Re: Can DMT prepare you to go straight into a so called heroic mushroom dose? [Re: Pandemoon]
#21904628 - 07/06/15 09:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pandemoon said: If you are familiar with DMT-breakthroughs than there is no problem starting high with mushrooms. Take at least 3 grams. Beware, they can be a hell of a ride, it's ups and downs, very rough compared to other psychedelics. But if you can let go and relax it will be a very blissfull journey.
I've never been in DMT-hyperspace, but I can tell you there is mushroom-hyperspace you will reach when dosing high enough in the dark. Take a quater and you may reach that place, but an eight will hardly do that.
Take them in the dark at night to get the most out of it.
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The most enjoyable experiences ive had with them are just chilling in my dark room on my bed, with my TV switched to GTA (when i have ability to focus on that rather than my own thoughts), watching tv, or just fucking tripped out in thought.
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Re: Can DMT prepare you to go straight into a so called heroic mushroom dose? [Re: MajickMuffin]
#21905678 - 07/06/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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My first hallucinogen was DMT as well. It's a common fear that DMT is too intense for someone's first psych but I think it's much more friendly and simple than any of the others you could try. I can't see someone having a bad DMT trip, at worst their fears are over within 5 minutes.
I have seen my friends very scared or even terrified on 3g+ shrooms trips though. Not to say that they weren't also enjoying themselves and that it was ultimately a good experience; but I think there's a lot more time for people to lose themselves and mental space to spin things into a scary interpretation.
Neither will prepare you for the other IMO. It comes down to your willpower and inner bravery to feel confident with your dosage. I haven't had a 5g shroom trip yet because I blacked out and walked around my house naked on a 2g trip + MAOI. MAOI's more than double the intensity of shrooms and DMT, so I may have been feeling 5g worth of effects. But point was, it caught me by surprise and scared me because of it. I know I'll be ready for 5grams when I'm comfortable with the possibility of losing awareness and control of my actions.
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Re: Can DMT prepare you to go straight into a so called heroic mushroom dose? [Re: Icon]
#21905983 - 07/06/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It pays to be cautious. Just start low and work your way up. Grow them so it's not an issue.
DMT can help prepare you since they are very very similar (most people just don't take enough), but nothing can ever fully prepare you for a very high dose of mushrooms
Leave your expectations behind
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Edited by gushtunkinflupped (07/06/15 04:39 PM)
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MajickMuffin
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Re: Can DMT prepare you to go straight into a so called heroic mushroom dose? [Re: gushtunkinflupped]
#21906004 - 07/06/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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gushtunkinflupped said: It pays to be cautious. Just start low and work your way up. Grow them so it's not an issue.
DMT can help prepare you since they are very very similar (most people just don't take enough), but nothing can ever fully prepare you for a very high dose of mushrooms
Ive never had DMT before, but Ive had shrooms around 60 times...and from what people describe DMT trips, high dose mushroom trips seem like the same thing as blasting off like DMT. Ive seen some crazy worlds, entities, and experienced insane (good and bad) things on high dose mushroom trips, even left my body.
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Re: Can DMT prepare you to go straight into a so called heroic mushroom dose? [Re: MajickMuffin] 1
#21906224 - 07/06/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is it me or does anyone else think 5 grams isn't all that heroic? I Know there are people here who take a lot more than that. My last trip was 6 grams and I didnt trip all that hard.
I think a lot also has to do with the potency of the shrooms. If you have some super potent penis envy mushrooms, 5 grams can indeed be quite heroic. If you have some weak regular shrooms, the idea of 5 grams being "heroic" is rather laughable.
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Re: Can DMT prepare you to go straight into a so called heroic mushroom dose? [Re: Deviate]
#21906280 - 07/06/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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idk if you would say it was laughable if you where on them right now trying to type what you posted 
thought idk if I would call it heroic, it is substantial.
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Re: Can DMT prepare you to go straight into a so called heroic mushroom dose? [Re: Deviate]
#21906788 - 07/06/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Deviate said: Is it me or does anyone else think 5 grams isn't all that heroic? I Know there are people here who take a lot more than that. My last trip was 6 grams and I didnt trip all that hard.
I think a lot also has to do with the potency of the shrooms. If you have some super potent penis envy mushrooms, 5 grams can indeed be quite heroic. If you have some weak regular shrooms, the idea of 5 grams being "heroic" is rather laughable.
I agree. Many times I had 5g or 5.5g, had level 3-4 trip. Next time I grew my own and took 1.7 and had a level 5 trip.
A heroic 'dose' is whichever amount of mushrooms make you have a level 5 experience. Depends on alot of factors, which can only be 'estimated' by weight
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Re: Can DMT prepare you to go straight into a so called heroic mushroom dose? [Re: Deviate]
#21908234 - 07/07/15 03:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Deviate said: Is it me or does anyone else think 5 grams isn't all that heroic? I Know there are people here who take a lot more than that. My last trip was 6 grams and I didnt trip all that hard.
I think the word "heroic" is just a misleading expression.
A hero bravely stands out, has courage to do things noone else does and so is he respected by the masses.. So the term heroic itself gives the wrong impression that it's "cool" or impressive if you take "high" doses and there seems to be something outstandingly fearfull about it..
These are all things that must not belong to or even be thought about when it comes to the use of psychedelics.
It's nothing heroic about having a 5 grams trip. 5 grams of cubes is a solid mushroom-trip, a medium to strong experience, somewhere between level 3-5, if you want it that way.
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Re: Can DMT prepare you to go straight into a so called heroic mushroom dose? [Re: Pandemoon]
#21908256 - 07/07/15 04:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pandemoon said:
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Deviate said: Is it me or does anyone else think 5 grams isn't all that heroic? I Know there are people here who take a lot more than that. My last trip was 6 grams and I didnt trip all that hard.
I think the word "heroic" is just a misleading expression.
A hero bravely stands out, has courage to do things noone else does and so is he respected by the masses.. So the term heroic itself gives the wrong impression that it's "cool" or impressive if you take "high" doses and there seems to be something outstandingly fearfull about it..
These are all things that must not belong to or even be thought about when it comes to the use of psychedelics.
It's nothing heroic about having a 5 grams trip. 5 grams of cubes is a solid mushroom-trip, a medium to strong experience, somewhere between level 3-5, if you want it that way.
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