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Re: Why does social isolation have to hurt so fucking much [Re: PDU]
    #21902143 - 07/05/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Id feel better if i was with people i felt at home with, its quite difficult for me to cultivate that with strangers in a scene im not familiar with, But i appreciate the suggestion, Id have to think of some group or club that id feel id get along with.




SleepyE - Why don't you join a lifting club or get into powerlifting?

Your a beast in the gym - why not step it up to the next level?



not anywhere near a powerlifter.

and i dont really talk to anyone at my gym either.. dont really have anything in common besides lifting and thats not enough to build friendships.


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Re: Why does social isolation have to hurt so fucking much [Re: SleepyE]
    #21902158 - 07/05/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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do you think that suffering truly fuels creativity?




I believe this to be true in many cases, of course there are exceptions aswell.


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Re: Why does social isolation have to hurt so fucking much [Re: SleepyE]
    #21902159 - 07/05/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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suffer a lot and keep making great art.



do you think that suffering truly fuels creativity? ive read things articles of people trying to say that the suffering artist archetype is bullshit and people who suffer make shitter art.


but i also read a study that found creativity and mental illness like bipolar disorder to be linked.

that artists are more likely to suffer from mental illness due to how their brain works.



people who suffer make shittier art? no. they tend to be too depressed to be productive. they suffer as artist's, but suffering does make worse art. it actually makes you so inclined to make art that's meaningful and outside of the box. these "clean" artist's are not gonna change the landscape. the one's who are changing it, they have suffered for their art. most great artists do, though not all.


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Re: Why does social isolation have to hurt so fucking much [Re: k00laid]
    #21902171 - 07/05/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have no real life friends atm
everyone in my immediate life is just acquaintance atm

Im very soicable
i talk to strangers quite a bit
and usually chit D chat
but it usually never sparks into anything


I have been very lonely for quite a bit of time
eventually the right people and I will cross paths


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Re: Why does social isolation have to hurt so fucking much [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21902172 - 07/05/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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suffer a lot and keep making great art.



do you think that suffering truly fuels creativity? ive read things articles of people trying to say that the suffering artist archetype is bullshit and people who suffer make shitter art.


but i also read a study that found creativity and mental illness like bipolar disorder to be linked.

that artists are more likely to suffer from mental illness due to how their brain works.



people who suffer make shittier art? no. they tend to be too depressed to be productive. they suffer as artist's, but suffering does make worse art. it actually makes you so inclined to make art that's meaningful and outside of the box. these "clean" artist's are not gonna change the landscape. the one's who are changing it, they have suffered for their art. most great artists do, though not all.



interesting perspective if i understood you correctly, i definitely agree that suffering makes it harder to be productive. But also i feel that you can improve at a faster rate with that pressure especially if its your only chance that you might one day be free.


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Re: Why does social isolation have to hurt so fucking much [Re: kakashi68] * 1
    #21902180 - 07/05/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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i have no access to professional help.




yes you do. What finacially? surely in canadia there is some sort of free mental health kind of thing.




There is free mental health services in Canada. I met with an intake worker about a month back regarding my mother....

I chose not to pursue this avenue too much. I think you can get counselling and they act as a connection to social services (financial and medical) aswell as linking to funding for things like skill training....

That said, I don't think it's like getting a "therapist" which is what would probably be appropriate in this scenerio.

I saw a counsellor at my school about a few issues (step father passing away, relationship dissolving, academic anxiety) - and although it was nice to "chat" with them, it wasn't entirely transformative or helpful. I was under the impression they act as the first line of defense for someone who is suicidal, or derailing their schooling... Me? They told me I am normal and just reassured me.

I realize it's not the same - but i think the experience with the provincial mental health organization would be similarly futile.


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Re: Why does social isolation have to hurt so fucking much [Re: SleepyE]
    #21902183 - 07/05/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It gets easier.

At first, you hate it and fight it and it's terrible. Then it starts to get comfortable. Before long, you realize that you'd much rather be alone than with other people. Eventually, you look forward to being by yourself, and start to hate times when you have to interact with others.


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Re: Why does social isolation have to hurt so fucking much [Re: nooneman]
    #21902188 - 07/05/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i went through phases where i thought id much rather be alone than with other people, but thats exact what it was, just a phase.

thats suicide imo.


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Re: Why does social isolation have to hurt so fucking much [Re: SleepyE]
    #21902214 - 07/05/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I dunno, maybe when you're young. Most of the people I know over 30 and especially over 40 have close to zero friends and spend all their time by themselves. It's surprisingly normal.

But, if you don't want to live like that, that's totally okay, and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't want to advocate doing something you hate.

You might think about picking up some kind of hobby that involves groups. D&D, boardgames, something to put you immediately into a group with other people. You might also look to see if there are any local group classes for stuff like painting, or some other kind of craft. You might be able to make friends through the class.

Your art is also getting extremely good. You might consider finding out if you can show some of it off in a local gallery. That might net you some friends.


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Re: Why does social isolation have to hurt so fucking much [Re: nooneman]
    #21902255 - 07/05/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

thank you for the compliment :smile:

i suppose once i get older i wont have an issue, Im in the prime of my youth and i just feel like its being wasting by me being confined to four walls mostly.

I really appreciate the suggestions and info, id love to go to an art class and meet people but i feel like my time could be used better if i pump out more artworks because i feel that it will also help me meet people in the end run but will also increase my value i think.

i posted my latest piece in a large visionary artist forum on facebook where artists around the world post their stuff for people to comment, so it had my art page linked and it went from only 9 likes on my page to 25 likes so that was encouraging i just gotta keep growing that page and pushing whatever envelops inside me that i can to keep getting the support.

Visionary art is getting more advanced each passing day and i feel like im missing the boat if i dont work to establish myself.


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Re: Why does social isolation have to hurt so fucking much [Re: nooneman]
    #21902262 - 07/05/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

why not go to an art gallery talk to art people make art friends


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Re: Why does social isolation have to hurt so fucking much [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #21902263 - 07/05/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have no doubt you'll end up being one of the major visionary artists. You already are around here :thumbup:
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Re: Why does social isolation have to hurt so fucking much [Re: SleepyE]
    #21902265 - 07/05/15 06:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I really appreciate the suggestions and info, id love to go to an art class and meet people but i feel like my time could be used better if i pump out more artworks because i feel that it will also help me meet people in the end run but will also increase my value i think..




that statement is potato.

You want to make friends but youd rather sit at home making art than getting out an ACTUALLY making friends.

Your contradicting yourself.


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Re: Why does social isolation have to hurt so fucking much [Re: nooneman]
    #21902267 - 07/05/15 06:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

thank you so much! i just gotta work hard and harmonize with the artists i admire, Id love to one day develop salvia droids digital art abilities, he blows my socks off, him, luke brown, and ilene meyer are my heros, and of course alex grey :blush:


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Re: Why does social isolation have to hurt so fucking much [Re: kakashi68]
    #21902276 - 07/05/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I really appreciate the suggestions and info, id love to go to an art class and meet people but i feel like my time could be used better if i pump out more artworks because i feel that it will also help me meet people in the end run but will also increase my value i think..




that statement is potato.

You want to make friends but youd rather sit at home making art than getting out an ACTUALLY making friends.

Your contradicting yourself.



i kno! aha, but its hard, because id have to make the assumption that id make friends there, but since i have nothing much to offer i dont see that going too well, if i can establish some value in my asap by focusing on the digital art then that might be a more rewarding decision, id just have to grit my teeth and bare the isolation a little longer, or long enough to develop more skillset in my craft.


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Re: Why does social isolation have to hurt so fucking much [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #21902293 - 07/05/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I really appreciate the suggestions and info, id love to go to an art class and meet people but i feel like my time could be used better if i pump out more artworks because i feel that it will also help me meet people in the end run but will also increase my value i think..




that statement is potato.

You want to make friends but youd rather sit at home making art than getting out an ACTUALLY making friends.

Your contradicting yourself.



i kno! aha, but its hard, because id have to make the assumption that id make friends there, but since i have nothing much to offer i dont see that going too well, if i can establish some value in my asap by focusing on the digital art then that might be a more rewarding decision, id just have to grit my teeth and bare the isolation a little longer, or long enough to develop more skillset in my craft.




your bullshitting yourself. your tip toeing around your problems. Stop bullshitting yourself. Your wasting everyones time if your asking for help, know what you need to do but continue to sit in your room and and isolate yourself. Your not "increasing your value" your simply making an excuse to sit at home

Either accept that you WANT to isolate yourself or stop bullshitting and go out and meet people.


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Re: Why does social isolation have to hurt so fucking much [Re: kakashi68]
    #21902322 - 07/05/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

ur right i suppose, il do that. Art class is a commitment of my time, Something like going to bar is a little less time consuming.

i have to use my time wisely, and i agree being on here doesnt do that but i needed to get advice on how other people cope with loneliness.


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Re: Why does social isolation have to hurt so fucking much [Re: SleepyE]
    #21902394 - 07/05/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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ur right i suppose, il do that. Art class is a commitment of my time, Something like going to bar is a little less time consuming.

i have to use my time wisely, and i agree being on here doesnt do that but i needed to get advice on how other people cope with loneliness.




didnt say you HAVE to go to a class. Go to any sort of art thing, a gallery, a show ect. Easy as piss to start a conversation about a piece. you dont have to commit "time" but if your so anxious about being alone you must have a fair bit of time free.

SO STOP MAKING EXCUSES FFS GO OUT AND DO THINGS. seriously look at your posts its just excuse excuse excuse followed by more excuses, You dont need to know how to "cope" you need to get rid of it.


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Re: Why does social isolation have to hurt so fucking much [Re: kakashi68]
    #21902407 - 07/05/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

jesus alright fine, no need to get worked up. i get the message.:eek:


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Re: Why does social isolation have to hurt so fucking much [Re: SleepyE]
    #21902417 - 07/05/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i wish my friends were around, i get 1 day a week i can be with the few good friends i have but most are on vacation this summer so i havent had access to them.

gosh i really hate summer time.

i just wish i had more opportunity to be around my friends and meet other kids my age.


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