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What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness?
    #21900738 - 07/05/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Everytime I trip on shrooms or just smoke fuckhuge amounts of hash I 'sense' the power and magnitude of our consciousness, and more importantly, our special human ability which is sentience.

But the bigger question and the most important one is: What is the next step?

Well? Will we be super-sentient?? Or maybe we'll have mental powers like telepathy? Or is it just more awareness?


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Re: What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness? [Re: Hash_is_life]
    #21900827 - 07/05/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Visual language made possible by virtual reality.

Genetically improving the brain. who knows where that will go


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Re: What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21900838 - 07/05/15 12:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think the next step is collective consciousness. humans for humanity, kind of like a hive mind. communism without the corruption


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Re: What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness? [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #21900845 - 07/05/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

think about it, our communication is faster than ever.


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Re: What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness? [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #21900847 - 07/05/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I think the next step is collective consciousness. humans for humanity, kind of like a hive mind. communism without the corruption



yess. the telepathic internet :awedance:


maybe this will occur in virtual reality.


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Re: What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21900869 - 07/05/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

hopefully
technology allows us to communicate faster, not better. that's a huge problem. telepathy will put empathy into the mix. that'll help a lot


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Re: What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness? [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #21900892 - 07/05/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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technology allows us to communicate faster, not better. that's a huge problem. telepathy will put empathy into the mix. that'll help a lot



Being able to produce an image just by thinking it may help.

You can already control computer functions with a "brain controller." saw it in a ted talk. Hopefully this will advance enough to be able to produce mental images in 3d virtual space.

I mean, many people think in pictures, not words. one step closer to telepathy. whatever true telepathy is.


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Re: What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21901112 - 07/05/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The idea of virtual experience and virtual reality is very intriguing to me, it personally reminds me of the movie The Matrix, where the plot explains how our minds take the data from electrical implulses created by our five senses and translates it to create 'consciousness' and how it can easily be fooled by 'virtual reality', and that our minds are actually very, very powerful but we're just not aware of this power.


Perhaps the next step is to be aware of what truly lies deep inside the mind.


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Re: What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness? [Re: Hash_is_life]
    #21901119 - 07/05/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think that at one point we were aware and we used these frequently, then religion and wars started and we got pushed away from our potential. there's a monk who has taught himself to tone in his hearing to anything within like a 2 mile range.


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Re: What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness? [Re: Hash_is_life]
    #21901131 - 07/05/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

But guys what I'm trying to say here is that maybe the next step will be something like the movie Transcendence, where the mind is free from the body and it's true power is revealed.

And it's awesome! You guys MUST watch it!


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Re: What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness? [Re: Hash_is_life]
    #21901524 - 07/05/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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But guys what I'm trying to say here is that maybe the next step will be something like the movie Transcendence, where the mind is free from the body and it's true power is revealed.

And it's awesome! You guys MUST watch it!



yeah that sounds worthwhile :thumbup:


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Re: What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21901830 - 07/05/15 04:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

sounds like an awesome plot concept. I think eventually we might evolve to pure consciousness, but probably not. most likely, we are in a point in time where we no longer adapt. we make the environment adapt to us..


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Re: What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness? [Re: Hash_is_life]
    #21901861 - 07/05/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well I think this is a complicated question, because reality is rather complicated when it comes to this.  There are a lot of things that would happen if cybernetic intelligence were not going to supplant us.  I think collective planetary consciousness is a part of this, for sure.  Also, space migration, with all of its attendant changes in consciousness, would clearly have to be considered as a necessary possibility, also potentially tied into the aforementioned collective mind.

However, there are two major obstacles to our unfettered evolution.  The obvious one is nuclear weapons.  We essentially have doomsday machines, and there are some pretty smart people who feel that as t approaches a large number, the probability that one will go off, whether due to accident, miscalculation or madness, goes to one hundred percent.

The other denier of unfettered hominid evolution is, of course, AI.  When technology is better and faster at any task, including thinking, what will it do with us?  Will we find a way to keep it benign and controlled, or not?  Will evolution pass the torch to superintelligent AI, and will it carry out all of the developments mentioned above?

Obviously, no one has any idea what will really happen, and it will probably surprise everyone.  But personally, purely based on my assessment of the probable, I think AI wins out, in second place (meaning slightly less probable) we have a nuclear holocaust, and in dead last we have humans continuing unfettered and unharmed, to reach whatever biological potential we carry.

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Re: What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #21901896 - 07/05/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i think we will integrate ourselves into technology to a point that makes AI useless


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Re: What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness? [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #21901957 - 07/05/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

What if the psychedelic state becomes the norm? A conscious swap of DMT for serotonin in the human brain? How would that compare to a computer/implant? Photographic memory, super intuition, etc... I just wonder if this kind of future, weather by drugs or electronic modification, would be much more interesting than VR.


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Re: What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness? [Re: nutrip]
    #21902154 - 07/05/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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What if the psychedelic state becomes the norm? A conscious swap of DMT for serotonin in the human brain? How would that compare to a computer/implant? Photographic memory, super intuition, etc... I just wonder if this kind of future, weather by drugs or electronic modification, would be much more interesting than VR.



you could simulate the DMT experience with VR and explore as long as you'd like. :whatyougonnado:


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Re: What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21902217 - 07/05/15 06:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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What if the psychedelic state becomes the norm? A conscious swap of DMT for serotonin in the human brain? How would that compare to a computer/implant? Photographic memory, super intuition, etc... I just wonder if this kind of future, weather by drugs or electronic modification, would be much more interesting than VR.



you could simulate the DMT experience with VR and explore as long as you'd like. :whatyougonnado:




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Re: What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness? [Re: tryptkaloids] * 1
    #21902231 - 07/05/15 06:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

AI. IMO.


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Re: What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness? [Re: Hash_is_life]
    #21902256 - 07/05/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Drugs to end war, drugs that make people better human beings, drugs that cause people to reach their full potential.

This might sound crazy, but both Nichols and Shulgin advocated for this.


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Re: What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness? [Re: Psilosopherr]
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Re: What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness? [Re: Hash_is_life]
    #21902931 - 07/05/15 09:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sometimes it seems humans are some of the least conscious animals.

Besides, I'm not sure consciousness is an evolved product, and perhaps our apparent lack of consciousness is due to our highly evolved brains.

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Re: What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness? [Re: Hash_is_life]
    #21903966 - 07/06/15 03:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The next step in the evolution of consciousness is devolution of the philosophical debate on the topic. :cool:

It is my hope that a more robust knowledge of neuroscience will render many of the philosophical positions moot.  Consciousness will just go back to simply meaning the opposite of unconscious.  Awake/knocked out.  Aware/unaware. 

All this attributing of extra mumbo-jumbo the function of a brain is unnecessary and unsupported by evidence.  It's the same to me as attributing luck to a rabbit's foot, or believing in the Abrahamic god.

But if you mean by your OP what will happen with human psychology and sociology, then I like to be optimistic.  Hopefully we can figure out how to not only live peacefully with each other, but also in balance with the earth.  At least long enough to figure out a way off this planet.


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Re: What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness? [Re: Hippocampus]
    #21904303 - 07/06/15 07:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The next step in the evolution of consciousness is devolution of the philosophical debate on the topic. :cool:

It is my hope that a more robust knowledge of neuroscience will render many of the philosophical positions moot.  Consciousness will just go back to simply meaning the opposite of unconscious.  Awake/knocked out.  Aware/unaware. 

All this attributing of extra mumbo-jumbo the function of a brain is unnecessary and unsupported by evidence.  It's the same to me as attributing luck to a rabbit's foot, or believing in the Abrahamic god.

But if you mean by your OP what will happen with human psychology and sociology, then I like to be optimistic.  Hopefully we can figure out how to not only live peacefully with each other, but also in balance with the earth.  At least long enough to figure out a way off this planet.



Oh come on don't be like that... I don't see why you're seeing this as garble and 'mumbo-jumbo'

I mean, I'm not saying that the mind has the ability of telekinesis because I don't believe that the mind can affect matter directly, but what I'm asking is what's beyond sentience? We are self aware... But what's next?

And PLEASE don't tell me that you believe that consciousness is simply a matter of being "knocked out/awake" because consciousness is far, FAR more complex than THAT.

Science is still gonna have to answer a LOT of questions about this specific topic because we barely understand what consciousness is.


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Re: What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness? [Re: Hash_is_life]
    #21904896 - 07/06/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I mean, I'm not saying that the mind has the ability of telekinesis because I don't believe that the mind can affect matter directly,




Why not? our body is matter and the mind affects it directly. all we do is control energy and make it go to different parts of our body to do certain tasks. all we are is energy and all our body is is a track for that energy


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Re: What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness? [Re: Hash_is_life]
    #21905229 - 07/06/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I mean, I'm not saying that the mind has the ability of telekinesis because I don't believe that the mind can affect matter directly, but what I'm asking is what's beyond sentience? We are self aware... But what's next?





idk, I think we are limited at this point in evolution by the size of our brains.  maybe genetic engineering could allow larger brains.  We need women with larger birth canals to fit a bigger head through.  That's the literal hitch to our continued brain evolution.  Or maybe genetic engineering could somehow find ways to allow more efficiency in brain function.  Or another idea is that we will integrate artificial implants into our brains.  However it happens, I think it will be driven by humans, not naturally evolve. 

 
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And PLEASE don't tell me that you believe that consciousness is simply a matter of being "knocked out/awake" because consciousness is far, FAR more complex than THAT.

Science is still gonna have to answer a LOT of questions about this specific topic because we barely understand what consciousness is.




I don't buy into the whole consciousness thing.  It goes back to my dislike of philosophical debate for the sake of philosophical debate.  Once I studied philosophy more seriously it got to the point where I felt like many philosophies only exist because of a sort of word game.  Where philosophers take some word that they define in a certain way that holds up to logic, and makes sense, but there's no way to know either way, and it doesn't even matter in my daily life. 

That's just the type of person I am.  I have a mind that thirsts for knowledge.  But only if that knowledge can be applied to my goals in a useful way. 

But I also like to speculate on the future of human-kind.  I just don't believe the subject known as 'consciousness' is a fruitful topic for most things.


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Re: What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness? [Re: Hippocampus]
    #21905347 - 07/06/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

To each their own I guess.


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Re: What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness? [Re: Hash_is_life]
    #21905709 - 07/06/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Probably Virtual reality and Neuro enhancements through technology leading towards a greater awareness and understanding of environment.


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    #21907397 - 07/06/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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idk, I think we are limited at this point in evolution by the size of our brains.  maybe genetic engineering could allow larger brains.  We need women with larger birth canals to fit a bigger head through.  That's the literal hitch to our continued brain evolution.  Or maybe genetic engineering could somehow find ways to allow more efficiency in brain function.  Or another idea is that we will integrate artificial implants into our brains.  However it happens, I think it will be driven by humans, not naturally evolve. 




Look at our evolutionary ancestors. lucy, one of the missing links had incredibly small proportions, they were like three feet with small heads. really smart. we don't need to get bigger to get smarter. i do think we will start interfering with our own evolution because like I said we make our environment adapt.


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I don't buy into the whole consciousness thing.  It goes back to my dislike of philosophical debate for the sake of philosophical debate.  Once I studied philosophy more seriously it got to the point where I felt like many philosophies only exist because of a sort of word game.  Where philosophers take some word that they define in a certain way that holds up to logic, and makes sense, but there's no way to know either way, and it doesn't even matter in my daily life. 

That's just the type of person I am.  I have a mind that thirsts for knowledge.  But only if that knowledge can be applied to my goals in a useful way. 

But I also like to speculate on the future of human-kind.  I just don't believe the subject known as 'consciousness' is a fruitful topic for most things.




I don't understand how you don't believe in consciousness... i mean, your consciousness is who you are. it is the part of you that takes all the external information and turns into internal thoughts and feelings and even your own personal philosophy based on previous information.. scientists have found the center of consciousness. look it up.
I think there would be no philosophy without consciousness


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    #21907737 - 07/06/15 11:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Consciousness expands with the changes in your quality of being. You can alter the quality of your being by making courageous decisions in life, by challenging yourself, by standard methods of self-improvement, by seeking more in art and music, by being happy and friendly, by taking psychedelics. I'm sure there are other ways.

None of this is an accident, that notion is for depressed or near-depressed minds.

Yes, we have been evolving slowly and I mean SLOWLY through the ages physically, but the whole time we have been inside a multidimensional wilderness. The state of consciousness of primitives especially the shamans is pristine and sees nature to be a divine entity. If you don't see it, it is because your consciousness has become mundane, and the universe is not revealing itself entirely to you... the primitives are on their toes daily, always being challenged, forced to suppress lesser qualities of themselves through the need to cohere as a tribe to survive.

We should adopt the protocol of a warrior, see life as a challenge, not lower ourselves to hate and jealously, constantly seek to improve ourselves, explore, keep our minds open to new perspectives... expand your world and you will expand your consciousness.

The changes will be most apparent through subtle qualities of the eyes, generally gaining a non-linear sort of trajectory when others see them and when you see them in the mirror. It can only be described as if 'one can see the future' or is 'looking into the future' when they look at you. This is higher consciousness, as far as I know it. Perhaps this non-linear appearance of the eyes is why elders and wise men and shamans were thought to see into the future literally. I think it was just a misinterpretation of this higher consciousness.

But it is quite a poetic look. I've seen an even deeper, more 'future' look in the eyes of intellectual LSD users.

None of this is what it seems.

Seek to expand your consciousness by living the best you can, you have no other entry point into a place of understanding in this life.


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    #21907765 - 07/06/15 11:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Consciousness expands with the changes in your quality of being. You can alter the quality of your being by making courageous decisions in life, by challenging yourself, by standard methods of self-improvement, by seeking more in art and music, by being happy and friendly, by taking psychedelics. I'm sure there are other ways.

None of this is an accident, that notion is for depressed or near-depressed minds.

Yes, we have been evolving slowly and I mean SLOWLY through the ages physically, but the whole time we have been inside a multidimensional wilderness. The state of consciousness of primitives especially the shamans is pristine and sees nature to be a divine entity. If you don't see it, it is because your consciousness has become mundane, and the universe is not revealing itself entirely to you... the primitives are on their toes daily, always being challenged, forced to suppress lesser qualities of themselves through the need to cohere as a tribe to survive.

We should adopt the protocol of a warrior, see life as a challenge, not lower ourselves to hate and jealously, constantly seek to improve ourselves, explore, keep our minds open to new perspectives... expand your world and you will expand your consciousness.

The changes will be most apparent through subtle qualities of the eyes, generally gaining a non-linear sort of trajectory when others see them and when you see them in the mirror. It can only be described as if 'one can see the future' or is 'looking into the future' when they look at you. This is higher consciousness, as far as I know it. Perhaps this non-linear appearance of the eyes is why elders and wise men and shamans were thought to see into the future literally. I think it was just a misinterpretation of this higher consciousness.

But it is quite a poetic look. I've seen an even deeper, more 'future' look in the eyes of intellectual LSD users.

None of this is what it seems.

Seek to expand your consciousness by living the best you can, you have no other entry point into a place of understanding in this life.




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Re: What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness? [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #21918118 - 07/09/15 05:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness? [Re: circastes]
    #21922521 - 07/09/15 11:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

think about it, our communication is faster than ever.


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Re: What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness? [Re: wangel]
    #21928671 - 07/11/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Probably more on the lines of thought creating phenomena in the real world..like the synchronicity thing..or miraculously making objects with mind over matter..or walking on water..Telepathy is likely..but will we ever attain telekinesis??

I think magnets hold special properties..most metals are literally vacuumed up in space until a point of contact is made.. with a pen sharped instrument we could like gauge how far the metal could be sucked together to the magnetic polarity..


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Re: What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #21928810 - 07/11/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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..but will we ever attain telekinesis??


we are getting closer every day.
http://www.iflscience.com/brain/first-brain-brain-interface-could-revolutinize-neuroscience


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    #21930093 - 07/11/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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..but will we ever attain telekinesis??


we are getting closer every day.
http://www.iflscience.com/brain/first-brain-brain-interface-could-revolutinize-neuroscience



finally somebody else that cares about brain to brain interfaces.

We can control computer functions with a brain/computer interface, and now this. Yet not many people seem to grasp the implications.


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    #21930463 - 07/11/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

can you imagine if brain to computer interface was the mainstream way we interacted with electronics? that would make AI pointless and a waste. I've always been worried that humanity will be destroyed by AI. but AI is the middleman. if we could tell the lights to turn off or the tv to turn on we wouldn't need to tell our robot to do anything for us. the possibilities are endless. Human to Human is like an electronically aided telepathic network


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Re: What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness? [Re: Hash_is_life]
    #21947395 - 07/15/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I jump into and from the blue here, without reading any anwers before.

Living in controllable synchronicity with oneself, one's environment and other people.

My guess on synchronicity is that a more synchronized resonating state of our brain, in- and excluding all of its partialisations can lead to a more holistic experience, realisation, understanding and handling of us and our environment.

This totally includes the full understanding of spirituality, mysticism and its relations to science, religion, psychology and its theories in philosophical, theoretical and practical ways.

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Re: What is the next step in the evolution of consciousness? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #21955472 - 07/17/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Singularity, nuff said.

also, in my opinion Google or the internet can also be thought of as a living growing conscious. It knows everything about almost anything there is to know. It even knows who you are, and where you live.


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