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Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government?
    #21900608 - 07/05/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'd like to understand why or why not? Or I'd like to know pros and cons of a modern day abolish of local and state governments.

My opinion is that America has too many governments as it is called local, state, and federal gov. All I believe we need is just one federal government. All these governments mean is we have way too many w/ way too much power netted over us. We have been smothered w/ all these governments. Even to the point laws are confusing.

A lot of red tape would lighten up on many Americans if we the people together voted to abolish all local and state governments, and went full onward w/, one gov., the federal government.

Give it hard thought of how this is to realistically have less government.

I feel it is time local and state governments become a thing of the past. We no longer need them and their extra red tape.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Lived_1978-2043] * 1
    #21900680 - 07/05/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

what? I'd much rather abolish federal and let each state run itself

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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21900728 - 07/05/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

State governments protect us from unfair laws the federal government sets up. What may work good in the North may not work good for a state in the south.
Vice versa the federal government protects us from unfair laws of the state governments. Or when a state government cannot perform during a time of crisis the federal government steps in.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21900741 - 07/05/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

A state military would be a sitting duck.

Federal gov > local and state gov.

Federal gov provides better safety.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Lived_1978-2043]
    #21900758 - 07/05/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

We could easily still have a collective military without a federal government i would think. If there was actually a threat to one state, the other states could combine military force to deal with the threat.

Doesn't seem like that would be too complex to make a reality.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: LoveNaborFuckHater]
    #21900772 - 07/05/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

And like a crisis... federal gov is equipped to aid people better in states w/ crisis. Local and state governments are just weak and in the way, and giving us extra B.S. laws to deal w/. And if you pay taxes, it would be best just paying federal taxes.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Lived_1978-2043]
    #21900785 - 07/05/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

We need to trim back the feds drastically. Fed bureaucracy has grown like a cancer and now consumes a large part of our productivity. Just to pay fat cats to sit around, for the most part. We need to cut it back to basics, military, spying but just overseas, some regulation but clean up the fda. Send out ss checks, and money to the states and that's it.

Leave the rest to the states and quit abusing the interstate commerce clause.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21900809 - 07/05/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

States don't have to be large to be powerful. Our states are the size of european countries, usually larger.

Remember those talks about oregon, washington, and california seceding together? They could have really been something with a little teamwork.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21900850 - 07/05/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You have to understand something about spying also domestically... Intruders among wishing harm to America from inner and extremists... Such exist. This is a reality.

As for trim... we need local and state trimmed all the way off. We people can be more the individuals we are w/o local and state gov on us.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21900910 - 07/05/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

One word... Dangerous! States on their own means more chances of more wars.

Can U imagine 10 different states acting like their own countries, all involved in 10 different wars?

The less countries there are the less wars if war were to break out. No brain-er. One federal gov would be wiser than having 50 more countries getting into who knows what kinds of wars.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Lived_1978-2043]
    #21900931 - 07/05/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>The less countries there are the less wars. No brain-er. One federal gov would be wiser than having 50 more countries getting into who knows what kinds of wars.

I guess you haven't noticed obumble fomenting war all over the planet? I can't see a state doing that, they don't have access to as much taxpayer loot to throw away as the feds. Trim those feds way the hell back and trim the states too.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Lived_1978-2043]
    #21900984 - 07/05/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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A state military would be a sitting duck.

Federal gov > local and state gov.

Federal gov provides better safety.



The federal government can't do the job.  Congress can't even make one decision a day much less try to decide 1000 issues every day.  That's what it would take to replace all state and local government.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21900996 - 07/05/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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what? I'd much rather abolish federal and let each state run itself

small gov, more personalized laws



Would result in basically 50 different countries having similar but different law systems.
Therefor anyone in the USA would have 50 different preferences to go live in peace.
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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Enlil]
    #21901105 - 07/05/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

On the contrary...

I'm sure congress would have less red tape to get through w/ local and state gov out the way. So more likely their day on job would go smoother. A smoother going congress would and should be better for America.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #21901139 - 07/05/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Those 50 differences can become problematic at worst, for people simply seeking to reside where their preference seems met. Hmm. Give that thought. :ooo:


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Lived_1978-2043]
    #21901145 - 07/05/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You can be sure all you want, but you're completely wrong.  There is no example of a government that large on the planet, and there's a good reason for that.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Enlil]
    #21901168 - 07/05/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Lets just have a global totalitarian one world government and then there would be no wars.

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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Shins]
    #21901224 - 07/05/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't believe one world gov is realistic. And I also understand that not all wars start because of governments. So one world gov can not ever be looked upon as a dead stop to war.

All I'm saying is the federal gov already exists. So we should capitalize on that, and dump these extra other governments (local and state governments).


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Lived_1978-2043]
    #21901262 - 07/05/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The state governments are needed to carry out those powers not specifically listed in the consitituion. The federal government can't handle all of the agencies set up across the country, they have enough trouble as it is running the agencies they already control.

This isn't as much of a problem now but the federal government used to do alot for protecting individual rights. When blacks were allowed to vote, the federal government had to come in and supervise voting because of the black codes and Jim crow laws that made it so difficult for blacks to enjoy their basic freedoms.

But again, the states also protect individual rights when the federal government wants to pass unconstitutional laws


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: LoveNaborFuckHater]
    #21901384 - 07/05/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The bigger govt is the more corrupt, inefficient and incompetent it is. That's why the feds are worse than state, state is worse than city and so on. A one world govt would be the biggest, most corrupt and totalitarian govt we ever had. Only the left wing loonies and hard core commies want that.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21901509 - 07/05/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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>The less countries there are the less wars. No brain-er. One federal gov would be wiser than having 50 more countries getting into who knows what kinds of wars.

I guess you haven't noticed obumble fomenting war all over the planet? I can't see a state doing that, they don't have access to as much taxpayer loot to throw away as the feds. Trim those feds way the hell back and trim the states too.



haha yeah. You and enlil are making some good points.

If our military was smaller, the entire earth would be more peaceful.

What is OP's hangup with small government? His main reasoning seems to be a bias against small government and not much else


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21902284 - 07/05/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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What is OP's hangup with small government? His main reasoning seems to be a bias against small government and not much else





he claims to be against red tape but the largest source of red tape is generally the federal government.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: psyconaught]
    #21902299 - 07/05/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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What is OP's hangup with small government? His main reasoning seems to be a bias against small government and not much else





he claims to be against red tape but the largest source of red tape is generally the federal government.



yeah that was his most confusing statement. could be my own lack of understanding though


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21904775 - 07/06/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Pretty sure OP is saying we have too much chiefs and not enough indians.

One chief, no red tape.

Extremely slippery slope, though.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21904957 - 07/06/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That line of reasoning makes absolutely no sense though. Everything currently handled by the states would still have to be handled, it would just be moved to Washington. And D.C. almost always requires more red tape than the states.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: psyconaught]
    #21905309 - 07/06/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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That line of reasoning makes absolutely no sense though. Everything currently handled by the states would still have to be handled, it would just be moved to Washington. And D.C. almost always requires more red tape than the states.




What's more streamlined:

Two bureaucracies or one?
Two courts or one?
Two legislative assemblies or one?

Ok good. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but I don't think there's any argument that removing checks and balances would create more red tape...


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21905401 - 07/06/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Local government better serves it people and a streamlined government sounds terrifying.  The more stalling the better in government.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Shins]
    #21905436 - 07/06/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That's not true, either.

If there wasn't so much stalling and obfuscating, maybe we could get legislation that a vast majority support like paid family medical leave.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Lived_1978-2043]
    #21905482 - 07/06/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

yeah, lets abolish state and local gov't.  Let's also go ahead and eliminate congress. so many votes, thats a lot of red tape.  it could be much more efficient if there were only one person deciding. While we are at it, we can abolish multiple political parties. after all, if there was only one party, elections would be more streamlined. Actually, now that i think of it, voting is so unwieldy. We should instead, make provisions for hereditary rule.  No more wasting time on elections.    We should move away from english common law, and switch over to Napoleonic law.  After all, switching the burden of proof to the accused, will make the process of imprisonment much more streamlined.


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    #21905494 - 07/06/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21905700 - 07/06/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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That line of reasoning makes absolutely no sense though. Everything currently handled by the states would still have to be handled, it would just be moved to Washington. And D.C. almost always requires more red tape than the states.




What's more streamlined:

Two bureaucracies or one?
Two courts or one?
Two legislative assemblies or one?

Ok good. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but I don't think there's any argument that removing checks and balances would create more red tape...



I would bet that 4 courts handling 25 issues a piece would be a lot more streamlined than one court handling 100 issues.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: psyconaught]
    #21905759 - 07/06/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Really? I could eat some alphabet soup and shit a better analogy.

That's not even how the court system works.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21905778 - 07/06/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ouch did i strike a nerve? :icecreamsadness:

If all of the local and state governments were condensed into one federal one that doesnt mean local and state issues would suddenly go away, they still need to be handled.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: psyconaught]
    #21905816 - 07/06/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Ouch did i strike a nerve? :icecreamsadness:

If all of the local and state governments were condensed into one federal one that doesnt mean local and state issues would suddenly go away, they still need to be handled.




Yep, and all the taxes that went to district and state courts now go to federal courts, so you're not losing the ability to process indictments whatsoever.

Except now, you don't have district courts with different sentencing guidelines than federal courts, the appeal process goes through one court instead of dozens...


And this is where I point out, again, that I'm not advocating a system like this at all, so you can dispense with the "lolol u butthurt."


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21950293 - 07/16/15 02:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You can be sure all you want, but you're completely wrong.  There is no example of a government that large on the planet, and there's a good reason for that.



I agree that the states need to micromanage their own affairs but centralisation does have benefits in terms consistency and uniformity. So thst everything applied equally across the land, rather then having multiple different legal systems in every state, which causes problems for trade and inefficiencies.

I also think in theory that a new layer of world government should be put in place, similar to a federation of countries. I think it has a lot of great benefits to the functioning of the global economy and society in general if it were possible. and that it is more then likely to happen at some stage in the future.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Soulidarity]
    #21950771 - 07/16/15 07:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Consistency and uniformity are only beneficial in certain limited areas.  For most things, it's better that each smaller unit of government be able to choose what is best for them.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Enlil]
    #21951513 - 07/16/15 11:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think it's definitely beneficial in terms of consumer protection and interstste commerce. the downside of this is adaptaptability and limitation.

One of the most interesting aspects I saw briefly of Americas corporate law framework was that in it not being centralised, it seemed that the states in some ways appeared to compete between eachother to present favourable frameworks to attract the business of big corporations, and that this active competition would work to sharpen the law, but in favour of the corporations. I.e. Shrude operators would choose to structure their affairs in the states thst had the most favourable frameworks for their purpose. It does raise issues of consumer protection, exploitation and costs too though.

In Australia our corporate law is nationalised and uniform. Australia is well renowned for having an ironclad and comprehensive legal system and being at the forefront of reform. The downside is malleability and stagnancy. Critics say that now our laws are set and they only vary slightly with judicial interpretation. The commonwealth is probably not going to review the situation for atleast a decade. But the stability and certainty has merit too. It's reliable.

Interesting differences in the approach though. Me myself being a capitalist I'm much more partial to the American model of being to choose the most favourable framework. But I guess looking at the bigger picture this can be done globally as well. I'm also fairly strongly persuaded by arbitration and private contracting. Being able to choose the seat, the rules, and even the arbiter in a scenario seems like an immense amount of possible leverage for a clever mind. I like all the strategical stuff.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Soulidarity]
    #21951525 - 07/16/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Whst do you think in regards to establishing a global level of government? I.e. Federation of the countries. Where countries still micromanage themselves but have the overarching global government macro managing global issues?


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Soulidarity]
    #21951550 - 07/16/15 11:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Small countries like Australia can have centralized government much easier than a large country like the U.S. could.  California alone has a much larger population than Australia.

As far as a global government, nothing good can come from that...at least not for the big dogs.  That can only serve to drag the powerful countries down and empower the weaker ones.  I see no reason to cede sovereignty when we're in the position we're in.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Enlil]
    #21952374 - 07/16/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It could also do the exact opposite and empower the larger countries while crippling the smaller one or even absorbing them into the larger states.  The problem with a centralized government, even in the US is deciding how to divide the power. When federal government was set up how would the power be disturbed fairly and evenly was one of the biggest issues.

Let's say we have a one house legislature on a global level with representation based on population. Majority always wins, minority is never heard. How often will a country not in the G8 or another country with a large population not win a vote? The smaller countries would never have a voice.

If you had a one house legislature but give each country one vote then the majority will not get what it needs. Should the thing that helps the greatest majority be chosen or should the minority overpower the majority?

This isn't even pulling into question how would the world decide on the government to be used. Parliamentary, republic, totalitarian, communist.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: LoveNaborFuckHater]
    #21954148 - 07/16/15 10:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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It was true that Rome was no longer the great military republic which for so many ages had shattered the kingdoms of the world. Her system of government was changed; and, after a century of revolution and civil war, she had placed herself under the despotism of a single ruler.

Vast however, and admirably organized as the fabric of Roman power appeared on the frontiers and in the provinces, there was rottenness at the core. In Rome's unceasing hostilities with foreign foes, and, still more, in her long series of desolating civil wars, the free middle classes of Italy had almost wholly disappeared. Above the position which they had occupied, an oligarchy of wealth had reared itself: beneath that position a degraded mass of poverty and misery was fermenting. Slaves, the chance sweepings of every conquered country, shoals of Africans, Sardinians, Asiatics, Illyrians, and others, made up the bulk of the population of the Italian peninsula. The foulest profligacy of manners was general in all ranks. In universal weariness of revolution and civil war, and in consciousness of being too debased for self−government, the nation had submitted itself to the absolute authority of Augustus. Adulation was now the chief function the senate: and the gifts of genius and accomplishments of art were devoted to the elaboration of eloquently false panegyrics upon the prince and his favourite courtiers.





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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Enlil]
    #21955686 - 07/17/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Small countries like Australia can have centralized government much easier than a large country like the U.S. could.  California alone has a much larger population than Australia.

As far as a global government, nothing good can come from that...at least not for the big dogs.  That can only serve to drag the powerful countries down and empower the weaker ones.  I see no reason to cede sovereignty when we're in the position we're in.




Nothing good can come from globalization? For the 'big dogs'? How about universal free trade, and a central government that can used to corrupt the entire world in your favor?


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21955735 - 07/17/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Small countries like Australia can have centralized government much easier than a large country like the U.S. could.  California alone has a much larger population than Australia.

As far as a global government, nothing good can come from that...at least not for the big dogs.  That can only serve to drag the powerful countries down and empower the weaker ones.  I see no reason to cede sovereignty when we're in the position we're in.




Nothing good can come from globalization? For the 'big dogs'? How about universal free trade, and a central government that can used to corrupt the entire world in your favor?




Seriously.

Does Enlil think the corporatocracy has been FIGHTING collusion? :lolsy:


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21955828 - 07/17/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm confused, so you're saying that corrupting the entire world in our favor and aiding corporations is good?


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Enlil]
    #21956552 - 07/17/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No, I'm saying a consolidated state is very much the (a) goal of big business.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21956698 - 07/17/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Of course...which is one of the reasons why I said that nothing good can come from it.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21956779 - 07/17/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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No, I'm saying a consolidated state is very much the (a) goal of big business.





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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Enlil]
    #21959478 - 07/18/15 07:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Of course...which is one of the reasons why I said that nothing good can come from it.




"...for the big dogs"


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21959556 - 07/18/15 07:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah...For the big nations like the U.S., nothing good can come of it.

For undeveloped/underdeveloped nations, it could be a great improvement.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Enlil]
    #21959946 - 07/18/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah...For the big nations like the U.S., nothing good can come of it.

For undeveloped/underdeveloped nations, it could be a great improvement.




Oh ok, I thought by dogs you meant multinationals, not the states themselves.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21959970 - 07/18/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I was asked what I thought about a global government, and I gave my reasons why I'm against it.  I am a citizen of one of the most powerful nations on the planet...one of the "big dogs"...I can't imagine why you'd assume I was aligning myself with some corporation.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Enlil]
    #21960016 - 07/18/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You don't have to align yourself with a corporation to be of the opinion that they'd lose out with a global government.

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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21960042 - 07/18/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not the one who even brought corporations into the discussion...Dosile asked what I thought about global government, and I answered.  You and Woof are the ones who assumed my comment was about corporations.

Also, by assuming my post was about corporations, that necessarily means you assumed I align myself with them.  After all, my post said, "I see no reason to cede sovereignty when we're in the position we're in."  "We're" indicates that I'm including myself.

Also, I think you might have meant "false equivalencies".  Equivocations doesn't make a lot of sense in your sentence.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Enlil]
    #21960169 - 07/18/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So now you're telling me how I interpreted your words to justify your alignment comment?

Okay.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21960224 - 07/18/15 11:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So now you're telling me how I interpreted your words to justify your alignment comment?

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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: psyconaught]
    #21960278 - 07/18/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So now you're telling me how I interpreted your words to justify your alignment comment?

Okay.



you are the one who brought corporations into the argument. He's spot on.




Yeah, which is why I admitted that 6 posts ago.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21960318 - 07/18/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So now you're telling me how I interpreted your words to justify your alignment comment?

Okay.



Not really..I'm just assuming that you can read and write English at a level consistent with the historical quality of your posts.  Maybe that assumption is unfair, and I should assume that you've suffered head trauma or something...Clearly, I gave you a bit too much credit.  I won't make that mistake in the future.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Enlil]
    #21960328 - 07/18/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

With that assumption in mind, you should understand that it's possible to to speak on positives and negatives for a particular group without aligning yourself with that group.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21960337 - 07/18/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sure it is...I specifically aligned myself with "the big dogs", however.  That should be abundantly clear in my post to anyone who reads it.


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