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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Enlil]
    #21952374 - 07/16/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It could also do the exact opposite and empower the larger countries while crippling the smaller one or even absorbing them into the larger states.  The problem with a centralized government, even in the US is deciding how to divide the power. When federal government was set up how would the power be disturbed fairly and evenly was one of the biggest issues.

Let's say we have a one house legislature on a global level with representation based on population. Majority always wins, minority is never heard. How often will a country not in the G8 or another country with a large population not win a vote? The smaller countries would never have a voice.

If you had a one house legislature but give each country one vote then the majority will not get what it needs. Should the thing that helps the greatest majority be chosen or should the minority overpower the majority?

This isn't even pulling into question how would the world decide on the government to be used. Parliamentary, republic, totalitarian, communist.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: LoveNaborFuckHater]
    #21954148 - 07/16/15 10:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

http://encyclopaedia.com/ebooks/95/40.pdf
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It was true that Rome was no longer the great military republic which for so many ages had shattered the kingdoms of the world. Her system of government was changed; and, after a century of revolution and civil war, she had placed herself under the despotism of a single ruler.

Vast however, and admirably organized as the fabric of Roman power appeared on the frontiers and in the provinces, there was rottenness at the core. In Rome's unceasing hostilities with foreign foes, and, still more, in her long series of desolating civil wars, the free middle classes of Italy had almost wholly disappeared. Above the position which they had occupied, an oligarchy of wealth had reared itself: beneath that position a degraded mass of poverty and misery was fermenting. Slaves, the chance sweepings of every conquered country, shoals of Africans, Sardinians, Asiatics, Illyrians, and others, made up the bulk of the population of the Italian peninsula. The foulest profligacy of manners was general in all ranks. In universal weariness of revolution and civil war, and in consciousness of being too debased for self−government, the nation had submitted itself to the absolute authority of Augustus. Adulation was now the chief function the senate: and the gifts of genius and accomplishments of art were devoted to the elaboration of eloquently false panegyrics upon the prince and his favourite courtiers.





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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Enlil]
    #21955686 - 07/17/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Small countries like Australia can have centralized government much easier than a large country like the U.S. could.  California alone has a much larger population than Australia.

As far as a global government, nothing good can come from that...at least not for the big dogs.  That can only serve to drag the powerful countries down and empower the weaker ones.  I see no reason to cede sovereignty when we're in the position we're in.




Nothing good can come from globalization? For the 'big dogs'? How about universal free trade, and a central government that can used to corrupt the entire world in your favor?


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21955735 - 07/17/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Small countries like Australia can have centralized government much easier than a large country like the U.S. could.  California alone has a much larger population than Australia.

As far as a global government, nothing good can come from that...at least not for the big dogs.  That can only serve to drag the powerful countries down and empower the weaker ones.  I see no reason to cede sovereignty when we're in the position we're in.




Nothing good can come from globalization? For the 'big dogs'? How about universal free trade, and a central government that can used to corrupt the entire world in your favor?




Seriously.

Does Enlil think the corporatocracy has been FIGHTING collusion? :lolsy:


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21955828 - 07/17/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm confused, so you're saying that corrupting the entire world in our favor and aiding corporations is good?


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Enlil]
    #21956552 - 07/17/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No, I'm saying a consolidated state is very much the (a) goal of big business.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21956698 - 07/17/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Of course...which is one of the reasons why I said that nothing good can come from it.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21956779 - 07/17/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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No, I'm saying a consolidated state is very much the (a) goal of big business.





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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Enlil]
    #21959478 - 07/18/15 07:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Of course...which is one of the reasons why I said that nothing good can come from it.




"...for the big dogs"


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21959556 - 07/18/15 07:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah...For the big nations like the U.S., nothing good can come of it.

For undeveloped/underdeveloped nations, it could be a great improvement.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Enlil]
    #21959946 - 07/18/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah...For the big nations like the U.S., nothing good can come of it.

For undeveloped/underdeveloped nations, it could be a great improvement.




Oh ok, I thought by dogs you meant multinationals, not the states themselves.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21959970 - 07/18/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I was asked what I thought about a global government, and I gave my reasons why I'm against it.  I am a citizen of one of the most powerful nations on the planet...one of the "big dogs"...I can't imagine why you'd assume I was aligning myself with some corporation.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Enlil]
    #21960016 - 07/18/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You don't have to align yourself with a corporation to be of the opinion that they'd lose out with a global government.

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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21960042 - 07/18/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not the one who even brought corporations into the discussion...Dosile asked what I thought about global government, and I answered.  You and Woof are the ones who assumed my comment was about corporations.

Also, by assuming my post was about corporations, that necessarily means you assumed I align myself with them.  After all, my post said, "I see no reason to cede sovereignty when we're in the position we're in."  "We're" indicates that I'm including myself.

Also, I think you might have meant "false equivalencies".  Equivocations doesn't make a lot of sense in your sentence.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Enlil]
    #21960169 - 07/18/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So now you're telling me how I interpreted your words to justify your alignment comment?

Okay.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21960224 - 07/18/15 11:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So now you're telling me how I interpreted your words to justify your alignment comment?

Okay.



you are the one who brought corporations into the argument. He's spot on.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: psyconaught]
    #21960278 - 07/18/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So now you're telling me how I interpreted your words to justify your alignment comment?

Okay.



you are the one who brought corporations into the argument. He's spot on.




Yeah, which is why I admitted that 6 posts ago.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21960318 - 07/18/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So now you're telling me how I interpreted your words to justify your alignment comment?

Okay.



Not really..I'm just assuming that you can read and write English at a level consistent with the historical quality of your posts.  Maybe that assumption is unfair, and I should assume that you've suffered head trauma or something...Clearly, I gave you a bit too much credit.  I won't make that mistake in the future.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Enlil]
    #21960328 - 07/18/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

With that assumption in mind, you should understand that it's possible to to speak on positives and negatives for a particular group without aligning yourself with that group.


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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21960337 - 07/18/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sure it is...I specifically aligned myself with "the big dogs", however.  That should be abundantly clear in my post to anyone who reads it.


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