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Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government?
#21900608 - 07/05/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd like to understand why or why not? Or I'd like to know pros and cons of a modern day abolish of local and state governments.
My opinion is that America has too many governments as it is called local, state, and federal gov. All I believe we need is just one federal government. All these governments mean is we have way too many w/ way too much power netted over us. We have been smothered w/ all these governments. Even to the point laws are confusing.
A lot of red tape would lighten up on many Americans if we the people together voted to abolish all local and state governments, and went full onward w/, one gov., the federal government.
Give it hard thought of how this is to realistically have less government.
I feel it is time local and state governments become a thing of the past. We no longer need them and their extra red tape.
Edited by Lived_1978-2043 (07/05/15 11:41 AM)
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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Lived_1978-2043] 1
#21900680 - 07/05/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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what? I'd much rather abolish federal and let each state run itself
small gov, more personalized laws
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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21900728 - 07/05/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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State governments protect us from unfair laws the federal government sets up. What may work good in the North may not work good for a state in the south. Vice versa the federal government protects us from unfair laws of the state governments. Or when a state government cannot perform during a time of crisis the federal government steps in.
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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21900741 - 07/05/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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A state military would be a sitting duck.
Federal gov > local and state gov.
Federal gov provides better safety.
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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Lived_1978-2043]
#21900758 - 07/05/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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We could easily still have a collective military without a federal government i would think. If there was actually a threat to one state, the other states could combine military force to deal with the threat.
Doesn't seem like that would be too complex to make a reality.
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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: LoveNaborFuckHater]
#21900772 - 07/05/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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And like a crisis... federal gov is equipped to aid people better in states w/ crisis. Local and state governments are just weak and in the way, and giving us extra B.S. laws to deal w/. And if you pay taxes, it would be best just paying federal taxes.
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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Lived_1978-2043]
#21900785 - 07/05/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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We need to trim back the feds drastically. Fed bureaucracy has grown like a cancer and now consumes a large part of our productivity. Just to pay fat cats to sit around, for the most part. We need to cut it back to basics, military, spying but just overseas, some regulation but clean up the fda. Send out ss checks, and money to the states and that's it.
Leave the rest to the states and quit abusing the interstate commerce clause.
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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Stonehenge]
#21900809 - 07/05/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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States don't have to be large to be powerful. Our states are the size of european countries, usually larger.
Remember those talks about oregon, washington, and california seceding together? They could have really been something with a little teamwork.
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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Stonehenge]
#21900850 - 07/05/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You have to understand something about spying also domestically... Intruders among wishing harm to America from inner and extremists... Such exist. This is a reality.
As for trim... we need local and state trimmed all the way off. We people can be more the individuals we are w/o local and state gov on us.
Edited by Lived_1978-2043 (07/05/15 12:55 PM)
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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21900910 - 07/05/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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One word... Dangerous! States on their own means more chances of more wars.
Can U imagine 10 different states acting like their own countries, all involved in 10 different wars?
The less countries there are the less wars if war were to break out. No brain-er. One federal gov would be wiser than having 50 more countries getting into who knows what kinds of wars.
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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Lived_1978-2043]
#21900931 - 07/05/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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>The less countries there are the less wars. No brain-er. One federal gov would be wiser than having 50 more countries getting into who knows what kinds of wars.
I guess you haven't noticed obumble fomenting war all over the planet? I can't see a state doing that, they don't have access to as much taxpayer loot to throw away as the feds. Trim those feds way the hell back and trim the states too.
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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Lived_1978-2043]
#21900984 - 07/05/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Lived_1978-2043 said: A state military would be a sitting duck.
Federal gov > local and state gov.
Federal gov provides better safety.
The federal government can't do the job. Congress can't even make one decision a day much less try to decide 1000 issues every day. That's what it would take to replace all state and local government.
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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21900996 - 07/05/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
rbalzer said: what? I'd much rather abolish federal and let each state run itself
small gov, more personalized laws
Would result in basically 50 different countries having similar but different law systems. Therefor anyone in the USA would have 50 different preferences to go live in peace. Thumbs up.
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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Enlil]
#21901105 - 07/05/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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On the contrary...
I'm sure congress would have less red tape to get through w/ local and state gov out the way. So more likely their day on job would go smoother. A smoother going congress would and should be better for America.
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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: MajickMuffin]
#21901139 - 07/05/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Those 50 differences can become problematic at worst, for people simply seeking to reside where their preference seems met. Hmm. Give that thought.
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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Lived_1978-2043]
#21901145 - 07/05/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You can be sure all you want, but you're completely wrong. There is no example of a government that large on the planet, and there's a good reason for that.
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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Enlil]
#21901168 - 07/05/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lets just have a global totalitarian one world government and then there would be no wars.
right guys?
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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Shins]
#21901224 - 07/05/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't believe one world gov is realistic. And I also understand that not all wars start because of governments. So one world gov can not ever be looked upon as a dead stop to war.
All I'm saying is the federal gov already exists. So we should capitalize on that, and dump these extra other governments (local and state governments).
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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: Lived_1978-2043]
#21901262 - 07/05/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The state governments are needed to carry out those powers not specifically listed in the consitituion. The federal government can't handle all of the agencies set up across the country, they have enough trouble as it is running the agencies they already control.
This isn't as much of a problem now but the federal government used to do alot for protecting individual rights. When blacks were allowed to vote, the federal government had to come in and supervise voting because of the black codes and Jim crow laws that made it so difficult for blacks to enjoy their basic freedoms.
But again, the states also protect individual rights when the federal government wants to pass unconstitutional laws
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Re: Should local and state governments be abolished for one federal government? [Re: LoveNaborFuckHater]
#21901384 - 07/05/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The bigger govt is the more corrupt, inefficient and incompetent it is. That's why the feds are worse than state, state is worse than city and so on. A one world govt would be the biggest, most corrupt and totalitarian govt we ever had. Only the left wing loonies and hard core commies want that.
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