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 Re: What is wrong with Black America?  [Re: RandalFlagg]
#2197501 - 12/23/03 09:52 AM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Isn't south america warm tho? Aztec, Incas etc.
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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: Xlea321]
#2197767 - 12/23/03 12:38 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Isn't south america warm tho? Aztec, Incas etc.
Yeah. South American cultures did display some level of technology
and thirst for knowledge. Although they were nowhere near the level
that Europeans were at.
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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: RandalFlagg]
#2197833 - 12/23/03 01:20 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Correct. Although the Aztecs had some skills at building, astronomy, and a form of written language, the rest of their technology was pretty stagnant.
And of course the Aztecs were an extremely warlike, bloodthirsty, and imperialistic society.
By the way, it was EchoVortex who introduced the warm weather theory to this thread.
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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: Phred]
#2198026 - 12/23/03 02:49 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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I believe their particular branch of expertise was biotechnology.
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fat lipped, crack dealing negros
I think that, as Alex123 noticed, this little slip is probably the key to your head here. What's bad about big lips? Do you think big lips look stupid? Ugly? Do they mean the creature with big lips is Evil? I'm pretty sure when Africans first saw slave traders walking across their planes they must have thought they looked pretty sickly with our thin lips and all.
Since Africa had slavery for an unknown time before whites arrived there (unknown because they are illiterate...er.. beacuse they like 'oral history'), most Negros had seen slave traders before, and they were of the same race. Good job on your history lesson!
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I really can't argue your claim that throughout history the white race has come out on top in learning and wisdom over the black race but there are other virtues than learning and wisdom. What about honesty? What about sense of community? What about humility? What about contentment (the opposite of greed).
What about them? Do you have any stats that show negros are more likely to possess these traits? Do these stats serve only to explain their lack of productivity and advancement in Negros, or do they serve other purposes as well?
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You know how many treaties the white man has made with indigenous tropical peoples throughout history that they broke the second it became convenient? Almost all of them.
Again, interesting how you'll make a generic, broad statment about the inherent evilness of Whitey, but I'd be willing to bet you wouldn't make one about Negros. Very interesting...
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You know how selfish middle class white Americans is becoming. Slip on your neighbors sidewalk: sue unless they're poor in which case sue the town. This mentality is rampant and getting worse. Sue the teacher, sue the doctor...get a newer car than your neighbor get a younger wife than your colleagues. We are developing into a really ugly culture.
Hey! more blanket statements about how bad white people are! Why don't you make some that describe negative aspects of Negro's throughout their history? More importantly, why can you make negative blanket statments about white people and it's fun and fantastic, but if I were do to the same about negros, I'm a "Racist"? interesting...
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i felt like you until not that long ago but I broadened my perspective on the human race. you claim to be arguing black people are just different but everyone can sense you arguing they are WORSE. you seethe pride (as in the sin, pride) but mostly just hate. get a grip on the big picture.
I don't think that black people are "worse" than whites, or that whites are better than negros. It's just at some things, whites have historiclly done much better at, and some things, Negros have. I don't "hate" anyone, just because your little teeveeebox tells you that anyone who does what you did (that is, makes categoric statements about the white people) but does it to a protected minority is a "hater". I do have black friends, and I do listen to Louis Armstrong and other such groups. I think that it is in the best interest of both cultures if blacks and whites are not "mixed". Lets say that you and silversoul7 are correct that it is the white mans intrinsic nature to conquer land and people. If that is true, wouldn't be it better if whites were given their own nation, and blacks were given their own nation? Blacks could do what they wanted, if they felt better living as they do in Africa and not having technology or other aspects of western culture around, that's fine, they can live their tradition lifestyle, express their own culture, and do as they see fit for themselves. Whites could do the same.
Also, I don't belive in sin, god, yahweh, the boogie man, or any other ghost like creation of man's mind.
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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: RandalFlagg]
#2198279 - 12/23/03 05:02 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hm... interesting. Those are some compelling statistics. Although
the reactionary in me wonders if a bunch of liberal researchers
set out to attack the "Bell Curve", and did whatever they could
to disprove it.
I've seen numerous tests that show that Negros perform lower than whites, including a test administered to all new uniformed services recruits. Their is always some attack against it based on poverty (that doesn't explain why groups such as native americans which are, on the whole, much worse off finanicially than negros consistently scored higher...) or "cultural bias". I just wish that with 50 years of ranting about this, SOME group like the NAACP would have devised a test or conducted some sort of systematic test that did show that blacks are either scoring higher or at the equal level of White applicants, or that actually showed how racial groups and their poverty level factored into the equation, when, again, native american children and asian children scored higher when coming from generally poorer backgrounds, but they haven't. I'm always curious as to why that is...
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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: EchoVortex]
#2198751 - 12/23/03 10:11 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you didn't want to get dragged in to it, why did you bother posting not just once, but twice? More logical inconsistencies from the self-annointed master of reason.
Does saying "I'm not going to get dragged into it" somehow give you license to make statements and then make no effort to substantiate them?
These antics are tiresome, MM, and quite surprising coming from a grown man, to be honest. You can  all you want; no skin off my ass.
Rule #1 in posting:
Don't take it personal.
Rule #2 in posting:
Don't make it personal.
Looks to me like you fail on both accounts. 
I don't have "antics" I have opinions. My opinions are substaniated by my personal history. I can't help it if they don't back up your "venerated studies".
There are lots of "studies" that are published and many of them are incorrect. Some of this is the result of biased investigators. Or haven't you ever heard of that? I base most of what I learn in juxtaposition with my experience.
Now you can wheedle, complain, cajole, whine, cry, beg, pout, throw a temper tantrum, or whatever you like. None of that can or will make me have some kind of discourse on this issue with you.
You see I make substantive arguments when I like. And I make assertions without bothering to post footnoted posts in an effort to back them up when I like as well. You don't like it, that's fine by me.
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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: ]
#2199322 - 12/24/03 07:06 AM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Could you please leave this sort of rubbish to a PM instead of inflicting it on the rest of us. Your "post" is completly off-topic and serves no purpose but to launch yet another personal attack on Echo. Give it a rest.
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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: Xlea321]
#2199466 - 12/24/03 09:59 AM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was posting about my beliefs on this subject and why I maintain them. Essentially Echo got personal so I told him that really wasn't necessary. Nothing that I said was either a flame or not related to the topic.
But your post?
Hmmm I can't say as how I see that is anything other than a personal attack AND completely off topic.
Attempting another thread derailment, Alex? Surely you must have something better to do.
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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: Xlea321]
#2199476 - 12/24/03 10:06 AM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Could you please leave this sort of rubbish to a PM instead of inflicting it on the rest of us. Your "post" is completly off-topic and serves no purpose but to launch yet another personal attack on MM. Give it a rest.
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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#2199486 - 12/24/03 10:09 AM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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I  you, man.
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#2199488 - 12/24/03 10:10 AM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: ]
#2199502 - 12/24/03 10:19 AM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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MM,
It's really quite simple: if you don't want to engage me in debate, don't address posts to me.
Your post was on this thread before any of mine were. Did I address any posts to you about it? Did I challenge your right to voice your opinion? No. You addressed my post and I simply responded, as is my right. I do not "venerate" the studies I cited: I merely accord them (and my own experience) more weight than I do your anecdotes.
Merry Christmas.
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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: EchoVortex]
#2199533 - 12/24/03 10:31 AM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Merry Christmas, Echo!
It is a pleasure having you post with us.
I may not read the long ones and I may disagree with the short ones but your candor is refreshing.
Cheers,
MM
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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: enimatpyrt]
#2202948 - 12/26/03 09:51 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Since Africa had slavery for an unknown time before whites arrived there (unknown because they are illiterate...er.. beacuse they like 'oral history')
"illiterate"? Their are many ancient African writing scripts, you clearly have never heard of the Coptic or Ge'ez (Ethiopic) Langauges. Try to read up, Amharic is spoken by almost 60 million people.
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most Negros had seen slave traders before, and they were of the same race. Good job on your history lesson!
Yes, the practice of slavery was very common throughout the world and even in Africa. You are also right when you said that Slavery still exists in Africa, however slavery still exists in almost every country in the world including the USA.
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Actually, the slave trade accomplished more for black people world-wide than any other single person or incident. It took blacks from a nation where they are on a stunted evolutionary plane, where the starvation rate, AIDS rate, crime rate, illiteracy rate, and standard of living is exponentially worse off than it is in most of the rest of the world and now the decedants of these lucky people are living in teh land of plenty.
All it took was generation upon generation of forced labour to build this "land of plenty". Not only is this bullshit it is insulting to all those who ever lived and died as slaves. Next you will be saying that the Holocaust was the best thing for Jews because of Israel.
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Britain has a long history of writers, educators, architects, etc, does NEGRO, Sub-saharran, africa? methinks not Why dont' you name a negro author, again, from negro, sub saharran africa, that was as prolific in their writings as Shakespear... oh thats right! They are all still illiterate..er..i mean.. they like "oral history" *rolls eyes*
Why do you believe there is no African Literature? or Architects? or even Teachers? If you want African Writers a simple search of yahoo will give you what you need. However, if you bothered to learn at least one African language you would have a better time finding more writers. Hell Blacks and Africans had even a profound impact on western Literature. Russia's Shakespeare was a black man named Pushkin who was descended from an Ethiopian noble and confidant to the Czar. Black Americans have contributed massive amounts of Literature to the English language. I impore you to read something by Walter Mosely, "Devil in a Blue Dress" was my first adult book.
And by the way we Africans then to get upset when people lump Africa into one big homogenous lump. As if Africa has one identity, culture, race, language, history. Africa has thousands of languages, tens of thousands of tribes, hundreds of thousands of Clans, and many many different distinct cultures and histories.
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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: enimatpyrt]
#2203499 - 12/27/03 04:57 AM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Were did you get this idea that africa is the "most fertile continent on Earth", does it not contain one of the worlds largest deserts?
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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: RandalFlagg]
#2203893 - 12/27/03 11:58 AM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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why do whties drink so goddamn much? why haven't they ever been able to encorporate personal spiritual experience into their religion? why does white society control visionary experience?
why is there SO much porno that displays white women being fucked by black males when WHITE males are by far the largest market for such porn?
why can't white people compete in ANY sport that blacks actually also play?
why are asians smarter than whites? and why do they make more money (per capita)?
why does modern philosophy borrow so heavily from non-western culture?
why do white people feed off of black music like soulless wannabes?
why are white people obsessed with spray on tans?
answer? the world is finally realizing that throwing a cool party is WAY more important than... um... being an acountant or whatever white people do.
so.... if you want to be accepted into the world... act less white.
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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: Malachi]
#2204009 - 12/27/03 12:48 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Or you could try being less of a racist.
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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#2204045 - 12/27/03 01:09 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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no, I'll continue to participate in the creation of new value.
have fun with the big pickup truck man, see you at the club (/not).
just keep in mind that I, and those angry young men like me will be having sex, drinking, selling dope, playing loud music at all hours of the night, generally fucking with the system.... all while a bunch of white liberals prevent your sorry ass (and those like you) from doing anything more significant about it (as I'm sure you'd love to).
just wait.... in 20 years you'll be the minority shining some rappers shoes.
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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: ????p?F???d??]
#2204058 - 12/27/03 01:18 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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however slavery still exists in almost every country in the world
including the USA
Huh?? I was not aware that slavery still existed in the USA. It
was abolished over a hundred years ago in this country.
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