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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: Sheepish]
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ooo a metal thread :grin:

I don't really listen to too many bands that have  death destruction etc etc really. I think really you have just taken a band like cannibal corpse and just figured all of metal was like that. It's not.
When I started listening to metal I was probably about 13. I started with bands I wouldn't consider metal at all nowadays......korn, staind, slipknot.....basically nu-metal bullshit(yes, I was quite in the dark). I actually ruled out alot of the bands I listen to now as crap. Bit ironic ain't it? The main reason for that was I really didn't like the whole 'growl' thing too much. But sometime later it didn't really bother me anymore and I started listening to real metal...you definitely just get used to the whole growl thing  .....metal in itself is really just an aqquired taste.

.....just felt like rambling :wink:


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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: silversoul7]
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Yeah.. ya gotta realize.. there is many different crowds and sublevels all within the 'metal' genre.

Some of them are just putting on a show, and those are the ones that usually end up appearing cheesy/one-dimensional/whatever. Some of them deeply believe in what they are doing and saying, and usually have a lot more depth and conviction to them.

But not all metal is created equal, remember that.
There's a lot of criticism towards bands like Cradle of Filth, who are about as mainstream as it gets for death metal. I mean come on they were in that one movie I can't remember..  :tongue:
But I know a lot of death metal heads that HATE cradle of filth. I don't listen to them myself, not because I don't like them, because I've never heard anything that has sucked me in enough for me to listen to them. To each his own.

But if you're going to make generalizations, at least tell us which bands you are talking about with this childish 'satanist' attitude. I know there are a lot of them.. but realize where it all started. Norway. I won't go into details, as you could do a search and read all about it, but the whole black metal scene basically started in norway with bands like mayhem, immortal, burzum, etc.. they were running around in the snow with corpse paint on, screaming about death and destruction, and burning down churches that were built on destroyed pagan temples. Now.. about the same time.. metallica, megadeth, slayer, and anthrax were the biggest thing in metal, and death metal was getting its start in florida.

There is a lot of detailed history to all of it. But usually what happens is that a genre of metal forms, there are several bands that accel in them, and there are many more that follow in their footsteps with less quality. It is like this in every genre of music. You have a few true leaders of a style, and much more copiers that suck. The ones that do it right, do it right.

Sure, the satanist theme is cheesy..so is the corpse paint.. so don't listen to it if you don't like it. I only listen to metal that I know is good, while listening to new or forgotten things from time to time. There are a few bands that do the whole 'death, nihilism' thing much justice, there are many who make it look stupid.

That's why I don't listen to 95% of 'black metal' ..theres only a few good ones in my mind


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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: Shroomism]
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I'm sorry to generalize. I think there is a lot of really good metal out there, even within the black/deat metal sub-genre. I was just observing a general theme in it that makes me roll my eyes. But like you said, to each his own.


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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: silversoul7]
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Minor correction: Anders was the guitarist for At the Gates, he also played for The Haunted. He did some backround vocals, but you're thinking of Tomas, who is now singing for The Crown.

Meshuggah does some interesting things with their lyrics, some of it I find quite powerful.

Example: Stengah
Still, in machine-like strife you gain another mile
The temporary elusive goal: To reach the solace, to
feed once more
upon the synthetic reaper of loss. No matter the
outcome. No matter the cost
....
Beaten to the unforgiving ground. Lashed into submission -
By the inner starving demon. By its unrelenting hand
Still you claim the worshippers pose and you bow.
You kneel to the syringe

Other things that stick in my memory:
At the Gates - Forever Blind
"it's our world, and they stole it from us! Bastards!"
(You have to hear it the way Tomas sings it to appreciate)

Dimmu Borgir - Kings Of Carnival Creation
"Stand rigid for the next battle
Peace means reloading your guns"


Some of the whole doomy aspect of metal lyrics can be ridiculous, but there are times when I'm just so fucking furious that Lord Belial hits the spot.


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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: silversoul7]
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Dungeons and Dragons, fantasy novels, long black hair, trenchcoat, anime, metal.

The modern nerd.


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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: Kid_Orgo]
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Kid_Orgo said:
Minor correction: Anders was the guitarist for At the Gates, he also played for The Haunted. He did some backround vocals, but you're thinking of Tomas, who is now singing for The Crown. 


Is this a reply to me? I went through the thread and I think I'm the only one that mentioned any Anders. :grin:

I'm talking about Anders Friden, though, of IN FLAMES fame (standing in front of that Swedish flag a few inches below here. hehe).

I'm just banking on that he got this certain "pop" influence out of his fucking system with Passenger and IN FLAMES' new album is going to be totally kick ass, but I have my doubts..... I mean, Reroute to Remain was all right, but if they go very much further astray.....  :sad: and  :mad2:
:grin:
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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: Kid_Orgo]
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Kid_Orgo said:
Meshuggah does some interesting things with their lyrics, some of it I find quite powerful.




Meshuggah kicks ass. They are one of the most unique bands in metal I have ever heard. I heard about them a long time ago, around Chaosphere or so, but when I saw them open for Tool last year was when I bought "Nothing" the very next day and was totally blown away. I had never heard anything like it. I eventually got all of their cd's and can say they are one of my top 3 favorite bands.


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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: Harbinger]
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Recently I've been getting into cradle again, I never listened to the lyrics before. Once you listen to them you'll be drawn in, there is a LOT of talent in that band. Most of their songs are about things you'd not think of too, like ghost in the fog is a tragedy love song, etc. I like other black metal but no one pulls it off like them. Anyway, that movie was Cradle of Fear, they were in the movie because they wrote the movie. LoL


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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: Harbinger]
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She was divinity's creature
That kissed in cold mirrors
A Queen of Snow
Far beyond compare
Lips attuned to symmetry
Sought Her everywhere
Dark liqoured eyes
An Arabian nightmare...

She shone on watercolours
Of my pondlife as pearl
Until those who couldn't have Her
Cut Her free of this World

That fateful Eve when...
The trees stank of sunset and camphor
Their lanterns chased phantoms and threw
An imquisitive glance, like the shadows they cast
On my love picking rue by the light of the moon

Putting reason to flight
Or to death as their way
They crept through woods mesmerized
By the taffeta Ley
Of Her hips that held sway
Over all they surveyed
Save a mist on the rise
(A deadly blessing to hide)
Her ghost in the fog

They raped left...
(Five men of God)
...Her ghost in the fog

Dawn discovered Her there
Beneath the Cedar's stare
Silk dress torn, Her raven hair
Flown to gown Her beauty bared
Was starred with frost, I knew Her lost
I wept 'til tears crept back to prayer

She'd sworn Me vows in fragrant blood
"Never to part
Lest jealous Heaven stole our hearts"

Then this I screamed:
"Come back to Me
I was born in love with thee
So why should fate stand inbetween?"

And as I drowned Her gentle curves
With dreams unsaid and final words
I espied a gleam trodden to earth
The Church bell tower key...

The village mourned her by the by
For She'd been a witch
their Men had longed to try
And I broke under Christ seeking guilty signs
My tortured soul on ice

A Queen of snow
Far beyond compare
Lips attuned to symmetry
Sought Her everywhere
Trappistine eyes
An Arabian nightmare...

She was Ersulie possessed
Of a milky white skin
My porcelain Yin
A graceful Angel of Sin

And so for Her...
The breeze stank of sunset and camphor
My lantern chased Her phantom and blew
Their Chapel ablaze and all locked in to a pain
Best reserved for judgement that their bible construed...

Putting reason to flight
Or to flame unashamed
I swept form cries
Mesmerized
By the taffeta Ley
Or Her hips that held sway
Over all those at bay
Save a mist on the rise
A final blessing to hide
Her ghost in the fog

And I embraced
Where lovers rot...
Her ghost in the fog

Her ghost in the fog

Tell me thats not beautiful lyric?


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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: rommstein2001]
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rommstein2001 said:
A Queen of Snow



So THAT'S what he says! :grin:

I like some of the Cradle of Filth stuff. Especially Dani's vocals sometimes, when he really gets that crazy ass sound going on. I've got a collection on here, its been fucking forever since I have listened to it, but it might be time to go through 'em again and listen to the better ones.... I really like their cover of IRON MAIDEN's Hallowed Be Thy Name, too.  :thumbup:

*puts on Hurt and Virtue* :grin:
Peace.


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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: fireworks_god]
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Like everyone has said already... Metal has so many sub-genres... If you look deep enough your bound to find something you like.

Black Metal : Emporer, Cradle of Filth - (bands that wear corpse paint) These bands usually have loads of talent but deliver it VERY cheesily.

Death Metal : Death, Cannibal Corpse, Bloodbath - Usually very fast and very growly vocals. Alot of people see Death Metal as an unevolved form of Black Metal because they two are alot alike, except Black Metal has alot of slow melodic symphonic things going on, and also alot of high pitch screeching.

Thrash Metal : Metallica, Exodus, Testament - This is fast technical metal, but without the growly vocals. Usually a whole ass load of awesome guitar solos. This genre was really big in the early 80's San Fran bay area, where the 3 above mentioned bands came from. Not alot of 'true thrash metal' bands around these days, so you have to look back for em.

Doom Metal : Black Sabbath, Katatonia, Anathema - I don't see this genre as metal at all. It's usually slow, and has very bleak lyrics. Not to do with death or anything, just loss, and sadness, that kind of thing. Oh, and there are usually alot of apocalyptic themed lyrics... This sub-genre is good if you like slower stuff, and understandable vocals.

Sludge Metal : Bongzilla - I don't have many examples for this one, I haven't heard much of it. VERY slow music with TONS of base. Vocals are usually growly/scratchy and not very understandable. If your into bass and stuff, this is good, otherwise it's not one of metals best.

Stoner Metal (my favorite) : Kyuss, Monster Magnet, The Mushroom River Band, The Spiritual Beggars - This genre is great. It's more on the rock side then metal though. It has kind of a bassy edge to it, but not overdone like Sludge. Good leads. Has some pyschedellic influences, even some 70's influences. Vocals are usually raspily sang, almost bluesy at times. Lyrics are usually decent, nothing to deep. Some bands get really weird ala Monster Magnet with their lyrics.

Prog Metal : Queensrych, Dream Theatre - Very Very Very skilled musicians. Usually the vocalists are very talented too, that is if you like their style... it's sung, but very very well, Almost to the point where it intimidates you. Like, why are you in this band and not singing with an Opera.

That dosent really scratch the surface. Theres still like, Hardcore, MetalCore, Grindcore, Nerdcore... All the cores.

Then you got your cross-breeds. Like Opeth, who I would say are kind of Black/Prog/Death metal, and some other crap... The Haunted, who are pretty damn close to being Thrash Metal at times, but have some Death Metal influences. Soilwork, and the very very awesome In Flames, who are part of this new wave of higher pitched screamed vocals (not to high pitched though) thrash metal dudes... I think this sub genre, whatever it may be called, will be the next 'thing' in metal.

Oh, I forgot a few important ones.

Nu-Metal : Korn, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park - This is not metal at all, and shouldn't even have ever been called metal in the first place. Generally seen as a disgrace among metal fans.

Hair Metal : Ratt, Poison, Twisted Sister - You know what this is. Very cheesy. Its fun if you dont take it seriously though.

Speed Metal : I've heard this term get thrown around alot. Most of it seems to just be Thrash... But I have heard Pantera get called Speed Metal at times., and I cant really define them.

Power Metal : This is pretty much the same as Nerdcore. They usually talk about Wizards and Dragons and that kind of stuff in their lyrics, I think there are bands dedicated to D&D and Lord Of The Rings in this genre. Very cheesy.

Sorry, Im just rambling now... Feel free to correct anything.


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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: LittlePygmyMan]
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LittlePygmyMan said:
Then you got your cross-breeds. Like Opeth, who I would say are kind of Black/Prog/Death metal, and some other crap... The Haunted, who are pretty damn close to being Thrash Metal at times, but have some Death Metal influences. Soilwork, and the very very awesome In Flames, who are part of this new wave of higher pitched screamed vocals (not to high pitched though) thrash metal dudes... I think this sub genre, whatever it may be called, will be the next 'thing' in metal.


You can call it melodic death metal, but it is known as the Gotenburg sound. Ever listened to Dark Tranquillity? Really good stuff. I guess Children of Bodom is pretty similar too.

And ja, IN FLAMES is very very awesome.  :thumbup: IN FLAMES is definitely about dynamics. And Anders voice is just fucking awesome.... I really like Reroute to Remain, they did change, and I definitely hope they don't stray too much further (hopefully Passenger gave Anders a release so it doesn't come out in IN FLAMES), but its still IN FLAMES and that makes it good no matter what... hehe. I am really anxious to hear Soundtrack to Your Escape, to see what happens...

And Opeth, you can't beat fucking Opeth. IN FLAMES has more of a rock attitude with them, while Opeth seems to be the kind of group that loves to just sit back, smoke some joints and pour out the music..... every song has its own identity, they are almost timeless. They are super talented, every last one of them, and the way they write music is definitely original and inspiring. Mikael ?kerfeldt has one of the best voices in metal, clean and distorted, and the fact that he is also playing guitar is just fucking crazy...

Dark Tranquillity really kicks ass too. The guitarists are really good, Michael Nicklasson is one hell of a bassist, and the fact that they really try to incorporate the synths into their music is definitely a plus. They really have a crazy way of arranging songs, and it is always nice to put their stuff on. :grin:

Dimension Zero, from what I have heard, is really interesting as well, its like IN FLAMES without so much focus on the melody. I haven't heard much Soilwork, but what I have heard, I liked. And Children of Bodom is fucking heavy as fucking fuck, they will rip your face off.  :devil: Alexi is one fucking great lead guitarist, and their keyboardist must have an liberal diet of cocaine to play that fast.

The Gotenburg sound is definitely one of the best genres of metal, in my ever so humble. There is such a range of expression and a big focus on melody and dynamics. So much water to draw from. Definitely a big influence on my band... if it wasn't for IN FLAMES, I don't know where the hell I would be. :grin:
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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: LittlePygmyMan]
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I classify Pantera as power metal

And for speed metal.. Cacophony..Helstar..try them you will see


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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: LittlePygmyMan]
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LittlePygmyMan said:
Nu-Metal : Korn, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park - This is not metal at all, and shouldn't even have ever been called metal in the first place. Generally seen as a disgrace among metal fans.


Linkin Park and Limp Bizkit I couldn't bring myself to call metal, not by a long shot. But KoRn? I'd go as far as labeling KoRn metal. I mean, hell, it is heavy and distorted, it has the necessary emotions, and hell, Johnathan is one of the best screamers there is. They go about it in a completely original way, and I think it works. If you listen to the new album and tell me that it isn't metal, then I'll ask you how you can consider Monster Magnet metal... :grin:
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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: fireworks_god]
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Korn was actually the first band I ever listened to that was considered heavy....well back then anyway


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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: Harbinger]
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Harbinger said:
Korn was actually the first band I ever listened to that was considered heavy....well back then anyway


I guess I just don't see why I should have a problem with them... some of their rap leanings didn't really impress me, and I swear to god I have never even heard most of Life is Peachy (I think I have it downloaded now though, still haven't listened to it)...

I don't mind listening to them. hehe. I don't want to make music that sounds like theirs, but it is still something that I will listen to. :grin:
Peace.


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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: Shroomism]
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I consider pantera southern metal. We do things different around here. lol


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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: fireworks_god]
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Korn is fun at times... And Davis is a good vocalist... Very emotional delivery but it gets boring after a while. Only because he has that typical teen angst attitude... My life is horrible, everyone hates me, so fuck off and die. It gets old.

And yes, Korn is probably more metal then Monster Magnet  :smirk: But Monster Magnet is one of those bands that are all about attitude, and they have a totally metal attitude.


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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: LittlePygmyMan]
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LittlePygmyMan said:
Korn is fun at times... And Davis is a good vocalist... Very emotional delivery but it gets boring after a while. Only because he has that typical teen angst attitude... My life is horrible, everyone hates me, so fuck off and die. It gets old.


Perhaps... still a good listen to every once and awhile. Sometimes, especially after waking up and you didn't get a lot of sleep, it is nice to get that "fuck off and die" attitude being blasted at you loudly. :grin:

Quote:
And yes, Korn is probably more metal then Monster Magnet  :smirk: But Monster Magnet is one of those bands that are all about attitude, and they have a totally metal attitude.


Ja, I wasn't saying anything bad about Monster Magnet, I love them. They are sort of coming from a more punk angle... but they really do incorporate a lot of different stuff, like even surf music occasionally. And Dave's lyrics are fucking crazy as hell, but very enertaining. "Your pissing off the pyramids won't move things along". :thumbup:
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