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Bruising(bluing) BRF cakes(2nd time)
    #21899458 - 07/05/15 01:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hey shroomery, im still having a problem with my cakes bruising blue, and this is my second round of cakes, completely different strain.  I will post pictures tomorrow of the cakes, but its pretty light so far, and I don't want it to get bad.

My first grow, I completely drowned the cakes and they took almost 2 days to get back to normal, but then I undermisted and they got so blue I there was no white left, I don't want that to happen again.

So, I know you can introduce a saucer of water to the cakes to increase the size of the pins/mushies, but, can you introduce a saucer BEFORE you get pins to counteract and possible override the blueing, making it return back to normal before it gets too bad?

also, I guess ive been watering more since I realized that they were blueing, but tbh, the cakes are still pretty heavy, so im looking for suggestions on what it could also be. As I said, pics tomorrow.


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Re: Bruising(bluing) BRF cakes(2nd time) [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21902978 - 07/05/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

here are the pics, let me know what you think



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Re: Bruising(bluing) BRF cakes(2nd time) [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21903135 - 07/05/15 10:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have learned from experience that it can be caused by drying and if you are misting directly on the cakes the little droplets that hit it can even bruise it. Is your sgfc made properly? (Ex: holes on every side) i personally only mist like 2-3 times a day and not even that much, just when they look thirsty.  Just mist and fan normally and refrain from moving it around and dont spray directly on it and they should heal.


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Re: Bruising(bluing) BRF cakes(2nd time) [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #21903163 - 07/05/15 10:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

im thinking it might be caused by misting droplets hitting it, the cakes that are the bluest are the ones closest to where i mist, and they are still pretty heavy, so i know im misting enough.

other ideas?

PS. yes it is built properly, out of the two i have its the better one.

i want to stop misting as muh so they can dry out a little bit so it can start pinning already, coming up on a week of fruiting in the SGFC tomorrow.


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Re: Bruising(bluing) BRF cakes(2nd time) [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21911772 - 07/07/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have been sufficiently watering them 3 times a day, when they aren't glistening anymore I water them.  They are still turning blue.  Im guessing that is just something that cannot be avoided when placed in the fruiting chamber.  They have pinned and are pinning more and more so im thinking that could be causing them to suck more water out and in turn get bluer, what you guys think?


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Re: Bruising(bluing) BRF cakes(2nd time) [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21912001 - 07/07/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I wouldnt worry too much, just be delicate when working with them and you should be alright. And yeah once they start fruiting the myc tends to get delicate. Good luck in your projects and im sending good vibes your way man :vibin:


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Re: Bruising(bluing) BRF cakes(2nd time) [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #21912024 - 07/07/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I appreciate it man, the amount of knots as well as pins doubled in 5 hours, I have a feeling these are gonna fruit like crazy.  And I hope they are more potent than the B+ I grew, I don't think ill ever grow B+ again tbh.


anyone else have any ideas, there is literally no way that these can be dry, I am replenishing them enough for sure.


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Re: Bruising(bluing) BRF cakes(2nd time) [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21912132 - 07/07/15 09:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No problem man, and as for potency are you using multispore? If so its mainly genetics, you could use the same print and have crazy potent fruits. I suggest getting into agar if you want concistancy. I still say its most likely the droplets hitting it. Does your spray bottle make a super mist or is it like mine where its kinda misty but still shoots out a few big drops?


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Re: Bruising(bluing) BRF cakes(2nd time) [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #21912626 - 07/07/15 11:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I love b+ so it's all genetics. There's a funny potency chart that shows all of the cubensis varieties and they all are at the same line. It's quite true. A cubes a cube. Don't like it? Try bulk and cloning


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Re: Bruising(bluing) BRF cakes(2nd time) [Re: Mad Season]
    #21914030 - 07/08/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

spirit, that's what im coming to think, every couple of sprays it will have 1 or 2 that will squirt out a few drops in the middle of the super fine mist.  and the one I always start misting at has the most bruising.


and mad, im thinking it might be the nutrient source, in this case im using BRF.  Im going to use Hpoo(which I cannot get, even though I live in the treasure coast and its full of rednecks that love horses) for my next try and hopefully on my 2nd monotub attempt, after my first one.  The reason im going to use it, is because, the most potent cubes ive had, are ones I picked on a field, off of poo.  ANd those were the best ones ive ever had, so that makes me assume that the potential for maximum potency lies in the genetics, but also in the choice of nute source.


Do you guys have any ideas on spore printing and syringe making? I would like to make my own, but my last attempt at spore printing failed, I left them there for 24hrs(I know, way too long) and the caps dried up and barely dropped any spores. anything to point me in the right direction?


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Re: Bruising(bluing) BRF cakes(2nd time) [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21914041 - 07/08/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I print for 36 hours then let the prints dry for another 24 hours. All done in my still air box. If you do it in a still air box, you don't need to cover the caps


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Re: Bruising(bluing) BRF cakes(2nd time) [Re: Mad Season]
    #21914049 - 07/08/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

after letting the prints dry how do you store them, and how do you transfer the spores to agar or to a syringe?

I bought some inoculation loops and a scalpel, so I think I have the equipment needed.


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Re: Bruising(bluing) BRF cakes(2nd time) [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21914071 - 07/08/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Wrap them in foil, bagged and put in a safe in a dark cold room.

To inoculate agar I just scrape a small amount of spores with the loop, then make a zigzag on the agars surface to spread spores around.

Making syringes, it's best to squirt water on the print and wash it off into a sterile jar. Knives can actually slice and kill spores. So if you want to scrape use your loop or a swab


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Re: Bruising(bluing) BRF cakes(2nd time) [Re: Mad Season]
    #21914098 - 07/08/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

and from the sterile jar, you suck it up into the syringe?

my question, besides that one, how do I wash it off into another jar? seems like that would be kind of hard to do the way im imagining it.

sorry for all the questions, but im tired of wasting money on syringes, and im going to start growing pan cyans soon, and I want to be able to keep the strain alive and not have to keep buying the spores again and again and again etc.


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Re: Bruising(bluing) BRF cakes(2nd time) [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21914107 - 07/08/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You squirt from the syringe onto the print. It'll wash spores off from the print. Then redraw with syringe. Just saying the less it touches or has stuff over it, the better


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Re: Bruising(bluing) BRF cakes(2nd time) [Re: Mad Season]
    #21914122 - 07/08/15 09:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

if I can do that then why do I need to make it go into another jar?

you ever tried printing in a sterile jar and doing it that way?


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Re: Bruising(bluing) BRF cakes(2nd time) [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21914142 - 07/08/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Personally I like to get lots of syringes so I squirt multiple syringes onto it into a jar. However a single syringe onto the print and redrawing without a jar works too and can be done continuously too.

Never done direct printing.


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Re: Bruising(bluing) BRF cakes(2nd time) [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21914149 - 07/08/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I sterilize two jars
One with no water, just foil and the print
The other with sterilized water
With sterilized syringe (sucking in boiling water, pcing, ect) I suck water though my water jar
And spit it all Ontop of the spores in the other jar

This is done though injection ports; alcohol and flamed of course

After spitting all the water I suck it back up and there you go. A syringe

Personally cloning from tissue on agar is my preferred method now
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Re: Bruising(bluing) BRF cakes(2nd time) [Re: Syntheticwords]
    #21914159 - 07/08/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Seriously. Spores are the hardest to work with imo. Best for agar cleanup, which is harder than it sounds. Keeping up with contamination. . Even the smallest trace of bacteria in the mycelium makes me toss it.


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Re: Bruising(bluing) BRF cakes(2nd time) [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21914164 - 07/08/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have two ways of making syringes. 1st way is i put spores on agar till i get a clean plate then let the myc grow a bit(i use pasty plates) then i just stick my sterile syringe in the plate, squirt water in it, swirl around and suck it back up. 2nd way is if im feeling lazy i scrape spores into sterile container then squirt water, swirl, then suck it back up. And idk the most potent i ever had was fiji i grew on brf lol and yeah, i think i need a better mister lol


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