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Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT.
    #21899238 - 07/05/15 12:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So I know 4-Aco-DMT is like mushrooms but in a concentrated form. I was wondering if I got like a gram and did it all what would happen I think it has relatively low toxicity but im not sure. Has anyone eaten a bunch of 4-Aco-DMT I think I might buy a gram and do it all with some harmals although im not sure if I would come back...

But if I did it would make for a good trip report. I heard that 100mg of 4-Aco-DMT is like an 8th of cubes so I would be eating over an ounce of highly potent cubes and adding a maoi. God know what will happen but I may come back with some grand vision or I might end up a drooling lunatic. As long as it doesn't kill me im going for it.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25] * 1
    #21899246 - 07/05/15 12:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You'll end up like your avatar.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: GoldenEye]
    #21899255 - 07/05/15 12:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ha I wish but do you know if taking a maoi with it will be bad I figured syrian rue would boost it to a whole new level. Although a full gram of 4-Aco-DMT is a lot on its own. Im just trying to explore uncharted psychonaut stuff and I figured a whole ounce equivalent of mushrooms and MAOIs would be insanity at its finest.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25] * 2
    #21899268 - 07/05/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

100 mg is not an eight of cubes according to erowid. Around 25 mg is similar to 5+ grams of cubes. That being said, it's thought that 4-ACO-Dmt metabolizes into psilocin, the same way as psilocybin does.

If it does metabolize into psilocin, then it'd be near non-toxic. You'd probably be okay(there was a report on blue light of someone taking 250-500 mg and not experiencing any ill effects). But you'd trip nuts. The dose you wanna do would be like a few ounces of mushrooms, plus a moai?

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21899270 - 07/05/15 12:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sounds dangerous; but who knows?

I've heard 75mg with syrian rue is something else..


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Achillita] * 2
    #21899313 - 07/05/15 12:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Also if it did metabolize into psilocin(which is highly suspected, but not confirmed), you'd take about 1/17 the lethal dose if you dosed a gram. That'd be an insane trip, and hell you might just black out from so much, or be stuck in eternity...

Dose safe, start much lower. Don't be stupid man, respect the psychedelics!


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Achillita]
    #21899327 - 07/05/15 12:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ya but fuck it im doing it. Are you 100% sure I will not die? I just really don't want to die. I got to save up for a gram though so I will have time to think about this. Im 100% sure im going to do it and probably go insane in the process. Its a 140 for a gram this is going to be one expensive trip. I just got to get more cash but im actully going to do this  :fatfear: Im going to take 3 grams of rue as well...


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21899371 - 07/05/15 01:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I can't say you wouldn't die. It's assuming that it metabolizes into psilocin and only psilocin. Chances are you probably wouldn't, but why take the chance? 100 mg of it would be like 20 grams of good cubes. If you want a high dose, start there. It'll be plenty.

The only difference between 4-ACO-DMT and psilocybin is the protective rings that make them more stable and less likely to oxidize. It's an educated guess that says it metabolizes into psilocin. It probably does based on how it acts and looks, but there isn't any hard evidence as it hasn't been studied. It could be more toxic, or could be the same.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25] * 1
    #21899378 - 07/05/15 01:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Send my regards to Satan. I'm sure you'll meet him.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: dixienormous] * 1
    #21899421 - 07/05/15 01:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You should be careful buddy.

Insane amounts of any psychedelic is playing dice with your own sanity and when you lose it almost anything could happen.

You also dont want to be mixing it with an MAOI unless you are trying to potentiate small amounts of a substance that doesn't last very long at least IMO.

What you probably will end up doing is extending the duration of what would basically be a very potent Anahuasca experience. Correct me if I am wrong as I haven't checked the duration of 4-Aco-DMT but I imagine it lasts as long as mushrooms do and produces a similar experience (hyperspace with very high doses).

If so the duration in my opinion would already be too long for any reasonable man to wish to bear in full on hyperspace. DMT is not as psychotic and dangerous as mushrooms and LSD can be, but I have no idea about 4-Aco-DMT though I'd imagine it would be more like psilocybin.

You might actually be shielded from danger by the awesome and incapacitating effects of the hyperspace machine, but trust me nobody would want to stay there longer than at most an hour or so. The safest route is a high dose of DMT combined with an MAOI. That should be enough for anyone for one lifetime.

Everyone should avoid at all costs getting themselves into delusional states of mind unless they know for sure that were they to believe for certain they were going to die (while tripping) that this would not then produce an explosive psychotic reaction.

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God know what will happen but I may come back with some grand vision or I might end up a drooling lunatic. As long as it doesn't kill me im going for it.





Try not to think of it like this. Insane doses will not bring you to GOD or any ultimate realization and will bring instead a pretty good chance of some great misfortune occurring- hospitalization, arrest, murder, suicide etc.

I am basing all this on my own experience. I was hospitalized during an LSD cannabis psychotic break back in my teens. I wont bother trying to put into words how truly and literally terrorizing the experience was. Nobody deserves to go through that so when I can I try to warn people who are obviously going down the same road I did when I was younger. I treated dangerous psychedelic substances and my own mind as if they were mere toys.

They can get very very real!

I thought all the same type of things as you "cant overdose" and "I want the ultimate experience" and all that type of stuff.

Well you honestly can overdose and be careful what you wish for with regards to the ultimate experience!

At the very least prepare to meet with pennywise!


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: wolf8312]
    #21899449 - 07/05/15 01:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh god if its anything like DMT that would be bad it lasts 8 hours at high doses and there's no telling what the maios would do.

I cant take long DMT trips I don't like the feeling I get when its coming on its something like my head's splitting open then its all noisy... I just want to push my mind as far as it can go just to see what happens. But its like hunter s thompson said that there is no honest way to explain the edge because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over.

I kinda want to go overboard its been too long since I coped with real insanity during a trip DMT is great but its not as fun as having to battle your sanity I feel like im mostly sober on DMT its just very visual, however I love when I go bonkers its amazing. But DMT is much more serious than anything I have encountered and I don't use it for the same reason as anything else.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25] * 1
    #21899485 - 07/05/15 01:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Psilocin is very similar to DMT, only a molecule difference, and so high doses of psilocybin and (most likely)4-Aco-DMT are very similar to it. Also if you're really gonna go through with it, have a trip sitter.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25] * 3
    #21899505 - 07/05/15 02:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Please, please, PLEASE don't take that much 4-aco-dmt. This is a very bad idea for a large number of reasons. First of all, the last thing we need on the news is some kid who took too much 4-aco-dmt and ended up in the hospital. With 4-aco-dmt's name right at the top of the article. Don't do that.

Second of all, you WILL end up in the hospital (one way or another) at that dose. The guy who took 500mg was in the hospital for something like 2 or 3 days. Someone will call an ambulance on you eventually, or you'll be arrested and taken to the hospital for something stupid like rambling naked incoherently in a neighbor's yard.

Third, you'll be lucky if you end up in the hospital without doing anything that broke the law. You'll probably end up facing charges afterwards. Public indecency, public intoxication, vandalism, possession, distribution, these things happen.

Fourth, you're not going to remember 99% of it. It would be like a benzo blackout, but worse. The guy who took 500mg couldn't remember 90% of it, and you propose to double that dose even though the effects increase exponentially with dose.

On doses that high you will completely lose contact with the real world and be unable to even eat for extended periods of time.

Do you want your parents to see you on a hospital bed drooling and rambling incoherently unable to recognize them or even see what's going on around you? Do you want 4-aco-dmt in the news for causing an overdose? Don't fucking do this.




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YES, IT MAY KILL YOU. It could very well lethal at that dose. Just don't fucking do it.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: nooneman] * 1
    #21899656 - 07/05/15 04:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Please, please, PLEASE don't take that much 4-aco-dmt. This is a very bad idea for a large number of reasons. First of all, the last thing we need on the news is some kid who took too much 4-aco-dmt and ended up in the hospital. With 4-aco-dmt's name right at the top of the article. Don't do that.

Second of all, you WILL end up in the hospital (one way or another) at that dose. The guy who took 500mg was in the hospital for something like 2 or 3 days. Someone will call an ambulance on you eventually, or you'll be arrested and taken to the hospital for something stupid like rambling naked incoherently in a neighbor's yard.

Third, you'll be lucky if you end up in the hospital without doing anything that broke the law. You'll probably end up facing charges afterwards. Public indecency, public intoxication, vandalism, possession, distribution, these things happen.

Fourth, you're not going to remember 99% of it. It would be like a benzo blackout, but worse. The guy who took 500mg couldn't remember 90% of it, and you propose to double that dose even though the effects increase exponentially with dose.

On doses that high you will completely lose contact with the real world and be unable to even eat for extended periods of time.

Do you want your parents to see you on a hospital bed drooling and rambling incoherently unable to recognize them or even see what's going on around you? Do you want 4-aco-dmt in the news for causing an overdose? Don't fucking do this.




Most of all:


YES, IT MAY KILL YOU. It could very well lethal at that dose. Just don't fucking do it.






:whathesaid:

This is a seriously retarded idea and if you go through with it then you will either die or ruin your life.  35mg of 4-ACO-DMT is a hell of a trip (in a good way but still extremely intense) so why do you feel the need to do 28 times that at once? 

Have you ever even done 4-ACO-DMT before at all?  If so, how much did you do then? 

I know dosage advice isn't allowed for RC's but my advice is to do far, far less than what you're idiotically proposing.  If I was a mod I'd delete this thread and stomp out anyone else that proposes to do such an irresponsible dose.  No good will come of this if you go through with it, so don't do it.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21899773 - 07/05/15 05:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Never tried or have any experience with  4-Aco-DMT but if its the synthetic version of mushrooms I think it would be a waste to attempt that much. I don't think a trip is a linear graph line in the more you take the more spaced you get, a point of saturation is reached the rest excreted.

I like to push the boundaries, I never had a problem with freak out trips while many around me did . I tried a whole load of shrooms fresh, some dried and a handful of frozen fresh at the same time.I also had Caapi root super concentrated using a soxhlet extractor with Syrian rue with sliced ginger root.

My thought patterns were like being in a washing machine on fast spin, nothing to hold on to and gain insight just a fast and furious fucked.
In comparison my DMT Psychotria and Caapi root ayahuasca experience was so clean, clear and insightful. I think the MAOIs had a detrimental effect on the shrooms personally in the way they made me feel nauseas and despite my best efforts eventually being sick although I had managed to last long enough that hardly anything came up. All fun...


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25] * 1
    #21899815 - 07/05/15 06:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have no respect for anyone who would even consider this.  You will get nothing out of it except legal entanglements and or/amnesia (at best) and serious health issues or even death (step out in traffic, fall off balcony, etc.) at worst.  Toxicity aside, you could die in any of a thousand ways while that out of it.

You can say  :hi: to any future job or relationship after that.  Or even lose your freedom (arrested and convicted...bye, bye!)

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21899841 - 07/05/15 06:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The acetoxy group at position 4 is said to be metabolised into a hydroxy group in vivo, so you go from 4-aco-DMT to 4-HO-DMT (Psilocin)
Just like 4-PHOSPHORLOXY-DMT (psilocybin) has its phosphorloxy group metabalised into a hydroxy group in vivo.

Psilocybin is a pro-drug, meaning its inactive, it must be metabolized into the active compound. So inactive psilocybin goes in and active psilocin results.

With 4-ACO-DMT there's speculation that the 4-aco-state BEGINS active, and is metabolized into another active state 4-ho-DMT (psilocin)

A big difference between psilocybin and 4-ACO-DMT is human use.

Just thought these things should be said.

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21899850 - 07/05/15 06:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It reminds me of N-acetyl-LSD, the acetyl group at nitrogen 1 gets metabolized into a hydrogen atom, so you go from n-acetyl-LSD to LSD in vivo.

Same with psilocybin and its phosphorloxy group being metabalized into a hydroxy group at position 4 in vivo.

And same goes with 4-aco-DMT, the acetoxy group is metabolized into a hydroxy at position 4.

Fascinating stuff....

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21899859 - 07/05/15 06:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Just in case nobody has said this, DO NOT mix an MAOI with 4-aco-DMT or psilocin unless your ready  for a long intense experiance, very little of which will be in your control.

You will end up like Dennis mckenna in "true hallucinations" during the experiment at LaChoerra.

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21899892 - 07/05/15 07:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I sure hope the mods nuke this thread and give him a stern talking to, this shit is not a joke at all and is likely to cause untold grief or tragedy.  Seriously, I would consider 50mg to be a very high dose, more than I could probably handle since I think 35mg is plenty.  1,000 mg is just plain suicide or permanent mental injury.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: GoldenEye]
    #21899909 - 07/05/15 07:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Send my regards to Satan. I'm sure you'll meet him.



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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #21899913 - 07/05/15 07:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

But as for OP: Don't be dumb man, you are putting your health and potentially your life in the hands of people you never met (us). Don't ask if an extreme dose like that will kill you, because we have no clue. Everyone's body is different and you are talking about a very under studied chemical. If you decide to take a gram, good luck, but I don't recommend it and I'm sure no one else here does.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: BigHeart]
    #21899922 - 07/05/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

1000mgs? Why? Seriously why?

I really hope (and pray) that your not being serious.

Responsibility is key.

It only takes one person to ruin it for everybody. If you do something that is obviously an irresponsible abuse of a compound they are not going to blame you, they are going to blame the compound.

There's plenty of other ways to turn your brain to shit, why give a beautiful compound a bad name? People are not going to look at the fact that the person consumed a retarded ammount, they are just going to look at the fact that "the compound hurt someone".

....not to mention your personal safety, honestly I think if you get hurt doing something like this its your own fault, you should get a Darwin award, and people should move on.....which is why I'm more concerned about the fate of the compound than the fate of those who abuse it.

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21899925 - 07/05/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I have no respect for anyone who would even consider this.  You will get nothing out of it except legal entanglements and or/amnesia (at best) and serious health issues or even death (step out in traffic, fall off balcony, etc.) at worst.  Toxicity aside, you could die in any of a thousand ways while that out of it.

You can say  :hi: to any future job or relationship after that.  Or even lose your freedom (arrested and convicted...bye, bye!)

N.B.





This. I did 40mg of freebase(stronger than fumuerate) and had the one and only TRUE bad trip of my life. Similar to what McKenna described his bad mushroom trip like, according to dennis.

DO NOT DOSE MORE THAN 50MG OF THE FUMERATE AND 40MG OF THE FREEBASE!!!


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: BigHeart]
    #21899998 - 07/05/15 08:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I sure hope the mods nuke this thread and give him a stern talking to, this shit is not a joke at all and is likely to cause untold grief or tragedy.  Seriously, I would consider 50mg to be a very high dose, more than I could probably handle since I think 35mg is plenty.  1,000 mg is just plain suicide or permanent mental injury.




I dunno man it would be kind of hypocritical nobody gave China cat a stern talking to with his tales of thumbprints and far from it he is revered like some sort of a legend, his ass peppered with kisses... 

There are also other members who told all sorts of crazy stories about equally irresponsible doses of LSD one who was even made a moderator if I recall correctly.

It is this atmosphere of somewhat childishly looking up to people claiming to have taken utterly stupid doses of psychedelics which leads to younger people coming here and wanting to emulate them thinking it is safe.

I was guilty of similar behaviour when I was younger (nowhere near that dose though!) so I am obviously not in a position to call anyone names. I can understand the desire to take or experience huge doses and if you have never had a truly bad trip realize that it can sometimes be difficult for others to understand how serious and potentially fatal psychedelics can be.

I agree its a terribly dangerous thing to do but hopefully the wanderer will have got the message by now and this wont just descend into a gleeful pile on!


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: wolf8312]
    #21900032 - 07/05/15 08:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Out of curiosity is this compound legal? I am interested in it, but I'm not going to look into ordering it if it's not. Anyone with knowledge on this please let me know here or PM me if you'd prefer to.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #21900085 - 07/05/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Out of curiosity is this compound legal? I am interested in it, but I'm not going to look into ordering it if it's not. Anyone with knowledge on this please let me know here or PM me if you'd prefer to.




Its available online as a research chemical.

You have to know the analogue laws to understand its grey area status.

It can be illegal in some situations, like if it were offered for human consumption it would stop being a reserach chemical and become an analogue.

Research the federal analogue act of 1986 as well as your current analogue laws if you want a detailed explaination, but I think I covered the situation in its most basic sense above...

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21900131 - 07/05/15 09:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21900138 - 07/05/15 09:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Out of curiosity is this compound legal? I am interested in it, but I'm not going to look into ordering it if it's not. Anyone with knowledge on this please let me know here or PM me if you'd prefer to.




Its available online as a research chemical.

You have to know the analogue laws to understand its grey area status.

It can be illegal in some situations, like if it were offered for human consumption it would stop being a reserach chemical and become an analogue.

Research the federal analogue act of 1986 as well as your current analogue laws if you want a detailed explaination, but I think I covered the situation in its most basic sense above...

-E. Borodin




Thanks! I am going to research the analogue act ASAP. But just to clarify as long as it's being sold for research and not human consumption it's legal for purchase in the US?


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: wolf8312] * 1
    #21900147 - 07/05/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I dunno man it would be kind of hypocritical nobody gave China cat a stern talking to with his tales of thumbprints and far from it he is revered like some sort of a legend, his ass peppered with kisses...




IIRC ChinaCat's posts on thumb prints were made years after the deed, and not proposed dosing for the immediate future.  Besides, ChinaCat 1) had all kinds of tolerance and 2) had close, close friends who were willing to stand guard over his corporeal self for upwards of 36 hours.  Not an apples to apples comparison, IMHO.

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21900612 - 07/05/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i dont know if a gram is safe it sounds risky with other consequences but im not going to preach to you not to do it. but i will say your original statment about its pontency is wrong it is more like 25mg is like an eighth. so maybe consider scaling it down due to that.
and i took 100mg by taking 60mg and re dosing 40mg and i was not in another world. but when i injected 25mg i was in another world for about 2 hours and i feel like safe iv use may be the best way to utilize this chem. but i am not recommending it


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: stuckinwonderland]
    #21900696 - 07/05/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

True taking that much is irresponsible and stupid because it is a RC and hasn't been studied. If 25mg is like an 8th then 200mg is like an ounce I think I will just do that but I will be safe and have a trip sitter and I will probably buy a gram and build up to 200mg I will see if I can get some handcuffs as well (handcuff myself to something so I dont run around town naked) and get a sitter that will not call the cops unless my heart stops beating. This is going to be good  :thisisgonnabegood:


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21900723 - 07/05/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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This is going to be good  :thisisgonnabegood:




what do you mean by that? if you're expecting it to be "good" in any sort of pleasurable way you will be sorely mistaken. the nervous system shock that would result from the very efficient delivery of a pure, hyper potent chem would likely result in a trip spent in the fetal position.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: XXfuzyxgamingXX]
    #21900747 - 07/05/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Handcuffing yourself?

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: XXfuzyxgamingXX]
    #21900756 - 07/05/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

dude even 200mg is :mygoditsfullofstars:

jus try 20-50mg first atleast for god sakes

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: wolf8312]
    #21900789 - 07/05/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You should be careful buddy.

Insane amounts of any psychedelic is playing dice with your own sanity and when you lose it almost anything could happen.
At the very least prepare to meet with pennywise!




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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Jean-guy Masta] * 1
    #21900790 - 07/05/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Please don't ruin this compound for everyone else, I would like to try it someday. If you want a strong trip, follow mckennas advice and take 5g shrooms in silent darkness. You have no idea how unbelievable this can be. Please be responsible. Psychedelics are not for dicksizing, bragging, or showing off.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: FractalMind]
    #21900830 - 07/05/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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...Psychedelics are not for dicksizing, bragging, or showing off.



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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #21901347 - 07/05/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Im going to do a 50mg then a 200mg a few days after its not going to be unplanned and its for the sake of research. The handcuffs is because I will be out of my mind and it will keep me in one place so im under control. I have been looking for a cheap chemical that can take me very far and I figured if done properly this could be beneficial and perhaps the most powerful experience of my life. Im going into uncharted waters so I know this could be bad but I figure with enough preparation it can work out. This could be the ultimate trip im always trying to go further and this will take me there. I dont know what will happen but I feel like it will be all good. And dont worry I will not get the chemical banned im not an idiot I will make sure to handcuff myself and that im relaxed and not stressed probably do 6 hours of mediation before attempting this. If I get out of control I will be handcuffed inside my home so I doubt I will get arested. As long as I do not go insane no one will know exept you guys.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21901369 - 07/05/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Being handcuffed to something seems like a solid way to ruin your trip. You don't think you're going to freak out once you start tripping and realize you're trapped? And what are you going to do for bathroom visits?


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #21901395 - 07/05/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Being handcuffed to something seems like a solid way to ruin your trip. You don't think you're going to freak out once you start tripping and realize you're trapped? And what are you going to do for bathroom visits?



You're right I may start freaking out but its better than me romeing the streets in a state like that. About the bathroom I may fast for a few days before this so I doubt I will need to go. Maybe if I get a friend to lock me in the bathroom and play me some grateful dead. Or my basement it has no windows I could set up a speaker and put some spiritual statues of hindu gods around maybe light it by nice smelling candles. That would work as long as my friend doesnt let me out.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #21901434 - 07/05/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think someone has misunderstood meditation and spiritual tripping

When spirituality for them is about high doses & research chemicals + handcuffs

A twisted mind maybe?

I bet you could serve god better when tripping/up to/after the trip , what are you creating?


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: lessismore] * 1
    #21901477 - 07/05/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I would have to say - go fuck yourself OP. Morons like you are the reason why we can't have nice things. Whenever they discover a worthy entheogen there are the forces of idiocracy working to give it a bad name. For all I care down a gram of meth, insert a bottle up your ass, rape your sister, suicide by cops... or just grow up... but keep you stupid shit to yourself.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: XXfuzyxgamingXX] * 1
    #21901486 - 07/05/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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This is going to be good  :thisisgonnabegood:




what do you mean by that? if you're expecting it to be "good" in any sort of pleasurable way you will be sorely mistaken. the nervous system shock that would result from the very efficient delivery of a pure, hyper potent chem would likely result in a trip spent in the fetal position.





40mg or so of the stick black freebase got me in the fetal position. I cant fucking imagine what anything over 120mg would be like...


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21901567 - 07/05/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So I know 4-Aco-DMT is like mushrooms but in a concentrated form. I was wondering if I got like a gram and did it all what would happen I think it has relatively low toxicity but im not sure. Has anyone eaten a bunch of 4-Aco-DMT I think I might buy a gram and do it all with some harmals although im not sure if I would come back...

But if I did it would make for a good trip report. I heard that 100mg of 4-Aco-DMT is like an 8th of cubes so I would be eating over an ounce of highly potent cubes and adding a maoi. God know what will happen but I may come back with some grand vision or I might end up a drooling lunatic. As long as it doesn't kill me im going for it.



Stupid.


No, 25 mg of 4-aco-dmt is like an eighth of shrooms. You would be lucky to survive if you ate a whole gram of this chemical, it would be absolutely retarded to do that.

Taking just 100mg is considered 'risky' and beyond the well-traveled realm of this substance's dose-response curve.

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21901573 - 07/05/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Being handcuffed to something seems like a solid way to ruin your trip. You don't think you're going to freak out once you start tripping and realize you're trapped? And what are you going to do for bathroom visits?



You're right I may start freaking out but its better than me romeing the streets in a state like that. About the bathroom I may fast for a few days before this so I doubt I will need to go. Maybe if I get a friend to lock me in the bathroom and play me some grateful dead. Or my basement it has no windows I could set up a speaker and put some spiritual statues of hindu gods around maybe light it by nice smelling candles. That would work as long as my friend doesnt let me out.



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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: drr] * 1
    #21901780 - 07/05/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Shulgin once said that if someone is insistent on taking heroic doses that they need to do some serious soul searching.

I once felt like I needed to take heroic doses every time I took a psychedelic and I did so because I felt inferior to others because my mother pushed psychiatric drugs on me. I did these doses of psychedelics to feel stronger mentally because I could handle them.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21901925 - 07/05/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

15mg was nice but hardly anything happened besides enhanced thought. 30mg blew my ass away. Don't think I'll ever do 50mg :dawerp:
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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Eggtimer]
    #21902004 - 07/05/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'd also like to point out that when I did 35mg my brain was pretty burnt out for a week or so afterwards.  No permanent I'll effects or something at that dosage but I'm 100% if you take too much you'll screw up your serotonin receptors in a big way.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: BigHeart] * 2
    #21902492 - 07/05/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I had a 500mg bag a while back. dosed roughly 100mg in a day between myself and 3 friends. 10 each all together, no effects. Myself and one friend pursued it and insufflated 20mg each additionally. A second friend ate another 20mg. Myself and the first friend saw a wobbly ceiling, along with a 'heavy' mushroom feeling.

Erowid lists the threshold dose for this unresearched chemical as 2.5mg. It was roughly 3 hours between our doses. I feel safe saying our (myself and first friend)doses could be equivalent to 25mg oral. With this in mind, I decided in regard to my safety and my health, the remaining powder was 10% effective/pure.

Weeks later, I got off work and ate the remaining 400mg. I was expecting a trip, at the very least. I was expecting a 30 minute minimum onset as well. No. Within 10 minutes I'm melting as I drive home. Without holding my hand out the window, I probably would have combusted and died.

Once I arrive at my home, ~25 minutes after dosing, my visuals are insane. I am still capable of speech and basic motor function. To my bed. What ensued was pure fucking agony. At one point I was reliving my entire childhood, sobbing, begging for help. Every figure in my life passed me by. I was alone. I asked for death, it had to end. I was killed. Only to be reborn as what I already was. A part of the universe. Even as a sound, I would still feel this horrible pain. This misery. At that point I lost my ego and blacked out for 8 hours.

The comedown was the most beautiful experience of my life. That trip, that chemical left me with the knowledge that I have been given a front row ticket to this beautiful experience called life. Only through being a custodian of my portion of the universe. That is the only route to harmony. To Unity.

If you actively want to pursue something like what I had at roughly 40mg, you're not even ready for what 4mg can show you. Taking psychedelics is not badass. It's a profound shift of consciousness. Be respectful and humble. Be patient. Be cautious.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Govam]
    #21903337 - 07/05/15 11:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh my god you guys are acting like I have never had a psychedelic I get what's going to happen and its fine. I have had high doses of mushrooms and acid. As for the last story that sounds perfect man im looking to go that far so you had 400mg right? Would you say it was life changing? Im looking for something that breaks me down completely like what you described but when im on mushrooms it seems to last an eternity is 4 ACO DMT the same? Im not trolling about this guys im actually trying to do this and so give advice or leave me alone im doing it and nothing will persuade me not to.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: BigHeart]
    #21903404 - 07/05/15 11:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I'd also like to point out that when I did 35mg my brain was pretty burnt out for a week or so afterwards.  No permanent I'll effects or something at that dosage but I'm 100% if you take too much you'll screw up your serotonin receptors in a big way.


That happend to me from 3 8ths of cultivated psilocybe azurescens. I think 200mg may take me back to the place I whent from them and im ready. Its me facing my fears last time I was there I remember thinking it would never end and it felt like an eternity when I woke up I felt I had been gone so long it was hard to function I wasn't 100% sure this was real for months. For a whole year I would sometimes wake up screaming because I had visions of what I saw in my trip in my sleep. Some where patterns so complicated only a super computer could understand them.

I want to go back and face my fears and this seems like a good way to do it.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21903451 - 07/05/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you read his post carefully you'll see that he said he reckons (from taking some) that the powder he had was approx 10% active/effective so he estimated the trip to be approx 40mg... Correct me I im wrong anyone but that's what I got from it.
To be honest I think you could find what you're looking for with a highish dose of just mushrooms alone. Efficient use of sensory deprivation and productive thinking/meditation while on psilocin will take you higher than imagined. Maybe you should try wood loving mushrooms. They can sometimes give a much stronger, arguably deeper trip.

Is it possible you have a lot of stress in your life at the moment? Has there been a traumatic event which still lingers? It seems strange you're willing to throw away your life potentially for a research chemical....

I understand that your such an experienced psychonaut and you think you can handle it all but seriously the only way I can see takin huge (stupid) amounts of 4Aco or anything really is going to go is downhill and fast. You're jeopardising not only your own freedom, sanity and possibly life but also the good name that psychedelics are only just starting to get back after decades of oppression.

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Devoswitch]
    #21903505 - 07/05/15 11:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If you read his post carefully you'll see that he said he reckons (from taking some) that the powder he had was approx 10% active/effective so he estimated the trip to be approx 40mg... Correct me I im wrong anyone but that's what I got from it.
To be honest I think you could find what you're looking for with a highish dose of just mushrooms alone. Efficient use of sensory deprivation and productive thinking/meditation while on psilocin will take you higher than imagined. Maybe you should try wood loving mushrooms. They can sometimes give a much stronger, arguably deeper trip.

Is it possible you have a lot of stress in your life at the moment? Has there been a traumatic event which still lingers? It seems strange you're willing to throw away your life potentially for a research chemical....

I understand that your such an experienced psychonaut and you think you can handle it all but seriously the only way I can see takin huge (stupid) amounts of 4Aco or anything really is going to go is downhill and fast. You're jeopardising not only your own freedom, sanity and possibly life but also the good name that psychedelics are only just starting to get back after decades of oppression.

Don't try to be the man. There's already enough of them around!



Honestly man ive been really depressed recently I lost my job and have been down and im just wanting to go very far because when its good the feeling stays with me a long time. I would just do mushrooms but I don't have a dealer and all the ones I find have not been coming up anymore (they're just panaeolus cinctulus though). Idk I just want to go back there I feel I need to and im not trying to get the chemical banned or anything I just figured I can handle it. Idk im going to give this some real deep thought and im doing ayahuasca tomorrow so I will keep this on my mind and try and see what I should do. And im not trying to get high im trying to travel man its like a vacation for me but this I can learn from I need a vacation right now.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21903589 - 07/06/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I would definitely advise working through the problems you're facing in your everyday life instead of trying to run away from them. This is contradictory to my last post  BUT be a man and face them head on. Get out there and meet some nice sociable people with good values. Do some training or self improvement so the next job you will get will be even better than the one you had! 
Exercise is an extremely important tool against depression. It works wonders! Start going for some runs or lifting weights for 45 mins or so a day.
I know what depression is like... Trust me I've had my fair share. You have to be brave and make concious choices to improve yourself. Most of the time Psychedelics aren't the right option until you get on top of it.
Your life WILL improve. You just have to stop thinking you're down and out and tart thinking you're on the path to healing! Keep your chin up man.


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    #21903599 - 07/06/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh and take a real vacation if you need one. Go sit on a tropical beach somewhere and drink some green tea or something. Try to avoid alcohol and sugars!
Make it a physical vacation instead of a mental one. Otherwise you might just be getting your bags checked into the wrong institution....


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21903624 - 07/06/15 12:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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so give advice or leave me alone



You don't want advice. Everyone in this thread has already given you advice, and told you not to do it, and you've ignored all of it. The only thing you want is for someone to say "go for it man"

Well fuck that, don't do it, it's stupid, and it would be profoundly stupid to do it. But continue to ignore all the advice everyone in this thread has given you, I guess.

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21903642 - 07/06/15 12:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You should take 100mg before taking 1000mg.

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Devoswitch]
    #21903655 - 07/06/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

True man I need to be in a good state of mind to consider this more. It is something I want to attempt but its not something im willing to go insane for. Im not super depressed im just down my parents called when I lost my job and they were like "you just couldn't go to college could you, you had to run off and be some low life stoner". Im more down that they see me as a failure and I guess I am trying to escape thanks man you made me think about this in a different way I wasn't really thinking about my state of mind.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21903696 - 07/06/15 12:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I will wait a while till i'm more happy and then consider this more I will probably not do it but if I do I will start with 40mg then go to 100mg but I doubt I will go over 200mg. This thread is just be me contemplating being stupid because im sad sorry I didn't see it earlier. When im sad I tend to do stupid recluse things like taking 1000mg of 4-ACO-DMT as a matter of fact the trip that messed me up for months was a few weeks after my best friend's funeral. Im starting to get this was a bad idea thanks guys.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21903709 - 07/06/15 12:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's all good, I know how it is. I too used to run set from my problems but not anymore any now I'm a better person for it! Take some you time.
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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Achillita]
    #21903719 - 07/06/15 12:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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100 mg is not an eight of cubes according to erowid. Around 25 mg is similar to 5+ grams of cubes. That being said, it's thought that 4-ACO-Dmt metabolizes into psilocin, the same way as psilocybin does.

If it does metabolize into psilocin, then it'd be near non-toxic. You'd probably be okay(there was a report on blue light of someone taking 250-500 mg and not experiencing any ill effects). But you'd trip nuts. The dose you wanna do would be like a few ounces of mushrooms, plus a moai?

Know your dose man.




There is no actual evidence that 4-aco-dmt breaks down into purely psilocin, however there is some evidence hinting that it both breaks down into psilocin AND is active in it's own right


To the op - This sounds like a very bad idea. There isn't enough evidence on how 4-aco-dmt is metabolized in the body. For all you could know, taking 200mg could be a lethal amount but you would be the first person to figure it out.

A gram of cubes has approximately 9mg of psilocybin and 4.5mg of psilocin, so about 13.5mg of active psilocin. If you did a gram of psilocin, it would be approximately the same as about 75 dried grams of cubensis shrooms. That is an incredible amount of shrooms, but keep in mind 4-aco-dmt may not just break down into psilocin but can be active in it's own right.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21904053 - 07/06/15 05:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Phewwww i wouldn't do that much  4aco...everything ive ever read says its just like psilocin. Which would not be a good time over 4-5 grams of dried cubes.

4homet and 4homipt always seemed a lot smoother with a whole let less omfg im freaking out. 4 ho met especially is funny because you can dose up and get the best tryptamine visuals and be almost sober the whole time. Experiencing that will give you a true perspective on how intense the mind fuck is with psilocin.

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #21904092 - 07/06/15 05:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Out of curiosity is this compound legal? I am interested in it, but I'm not going to look into ordering it if it's not. Anyone with knowledge on this please let me know here or PM me if you'd prefer to.




Its available online as a research chemical.

You have to know the analogue laws to understand its grey area status.

It can be illegal in some situations, like if it were offered for human consumption it would stop being a reserach chemical and become an analogue.

Research the federal analogue act of 1986 as well as your current analogue laws if you want a detailed explaination, but I think I covered the situation in its most basic sense above...

-E. Borodin




Thanks! I am going to research the analogue act ASAP. But just to clarify as long as it's being sold for research and not human consumption it's legal for purchase in the US?




Yeah you should have no problem finding a vendor who ships to the US, though these analogue loop-holes do more to protect the vendors than the consumers.

(But because the compound is schedule one is some situations and legal in others research would be a must before a purchase, unless you just accept that its legal to buy but pretty much illeagal to do anything else with)

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21904105 - 07/06/15 05:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

30mgs of psocin can be an insane experiance, this would be like a 4-5g stropharia cubensis experiance.

Now if 4-aco-DMT becomes 4-ho-DMT in vivo (as is the most reasonable pathway, though this has not been confirmed) are you really going to want near 200mgs of psilocin in your body?

Maybe nature had it right by stashing psilocin in a cataphore so humans could not consume the ammount needed to reach death.....

...its really not your job to eat massive ammounts of research chemicals for science, you are going to end up hurting yourself for nothing....

Sorry, I just have such a deep admiration for these 4-substituted tryptamine compounds, and don't want to see my compounds become scheduled, it only takes one or two incidents for this to happen...and nobody says "how could this person eat that much" they all say "my God, this compound is hurting our children"

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #21904117 - 07/06/15 06:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Phewwww i wouldn't do that much  4aco...everything ive ever read says its just like psilocin. Which would not be a good time over 4-5 grams of dried cubes.

4homet and 4homipt always seemed a lot smoother with a whole let less omfg im freaking out. 4 ho met especially is funny because you can dose up and get the best tryptamine visuals and be almost sober the whole time. Experiencing that will give you a true perspective on how intense the mind fuck is with psilocin.

I do believe psilocin is actually more colorful than both 4homipt&4homet.




4-hydroxy-N-methy-N-ethyl-tryptamine (4-ho-MET) is amazing, one of my favorite 4-hydroxylated tryptamines.

4-ho-met was also one of the compounds jochen gartz was able to produce by innoculating stropharia cubensis mycellium with MET (n-methyl-n-ethyl-tryptamine), extracting the compound from the fruited cataphores at the end of the experiment.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21904135 - 07/06/15 06:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

4 acodmt seems a lot like a novelty and by weight almost identical in potency.If you have mushrooms I really don't see the point. Relatively pure samples of psilocin can be made quite easily with acid/heat.

4 acodmt in itself seems more dangerous than a lot of tryptamines because it resembles pure psilocin so much which could render somebody fucked with just the right dose. Ive seen a person not even be able to talk/walk or speak with just 4 grams of mushrooms and that would only equal 40-50mg of psilo.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21904137 - 07/06/15 06:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Just to clear this up, the 4-acetoxy-DMT should be metabolized in vivo (meaning in the body) into 4-ho-DMT (psilocin)

Just like how in an-acetyl-LSD, the compound is metabolized so that where the acetyl group was a hydrogen atom remains, meaning n-acetyl-LSD becomes LSD in the body.

Same goes for an acetoxy group, but since its acetoxy instead of acetyl it leaves a hydroxy group.

So 4-acetoxy-DMT goes in the body, the acetoxy group is metabalised into a hydroxy group, and it becomes 4-HYDROXY-DMT (psilocin).

So its behaving EXACTLY like psilocybin, which is not active, 4-po-DMT goes in the body, the phosphorloxy group becomes a hydroxy group, converting the inactive psilocybin into the active psilocin....only with 4-aco-DMT its an acetoxy group being metabolized into a hydroxy group forming psilocin /instead of a phisphorloxy group which does the same thing...

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21904151 - 07/06/15 06:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

...50mgs in 4g stropharia cubensis seems a bit high, in reality 5g stropharia cubensis should only contain between 25-35mgs.

https://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info4.shtml

This chart should help (though potency can vary from crop to crop)

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21904174 - 07/06/15 06:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Phewwww i wouldn't do that much  4aco...everything ive ever read says its just like psilocin. Which would not be a good time over 4-5 grams of dried cubes.

4homet and 4homipt always seemed a lot smoother with a whole let less omfg im freaking out. 4 ho met especially is funny because you can dose up and get the best tryptamine visuals and be almost sober the whole time. Experiencing that will give you a true perspective on how intense the mind fuck is with psilocin.

I do believe psilocin is actually more colorful than both 4homipt&4homet.




4-hydroxy-N-methy-N-ethyl-tryptamine (4-ho-MET) is amazing, one of my favorite 4-hydroxylated tryptamines.

4-ho-met was also one of the compounds jochen gartz was able to produce by innoculating stropharia cubensis mycellium with MET (n-methyl-n-ethyl-tryptamine), extracting the compound from the fruited cataphores at the end of the experiment.


-E. Borodin


I definatley have to look that up. Ive always believed whats in the substrate can determine the outcome of the tryptamine. Itd would be freakin awesome to have some 4homet shrooms:hehehe:

YOu are saying(4acodmt) metabolizes to psilocin? For give my ignorance to chem ....can you explain how?


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #21904351 - 07/06/15 07:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

As for jochen gartz, http://countyourculture.com/2012/02/17/biosynthesis-4-substituted-tryptamine-derivatives/ this link should cover it, though it only references diethyltryptamine (DET) being converted into 4-ho-DET and 4-po-DET I can clearly remember MET bring used as well.

Here's the chemistry part, ill try to not be very technical here...

With 4-aco-DMT it enters the body where enzymes "pull-apart" the acetoxy group at position 4 leaving a hydroxy group in its place, so you ate 4-aco-dmt, but after ingestion enzymes in your body converted it to 4-ho-DMT (psilocin).

Your body basically "turns it into" psilocin through metabolization.

(Just like psilocybin, which has a phosphorloxy group at position 4, psilocybin is inactive, it needs to be metabolized in the body to the active compound psilocin, this happens when enzymes "pull-appart" the phodphorloxy group leaving a hydroxy group in its place, so 4-po-DMT is converted to 4-ho-DMT, just as 4-aco-DMT is converted into 4-Ho-DMT.

I hope this makes sense, if you look at a picture of the 2-d molecules it may be easier to understand what I'm saying,

DMT is composed of a benzene ring connected to a pyrole ring with a 2 carbon side chain ending in a nitrogen atom with two methyl groups connected, the molecule is numbered counter clock-wise with position one starting at the bottom right side of the pyrrole ring. Position 4 is the "top" of the benzene ring, so if you look at the 2-D molecules you will see a bulky substition at this position, the body basically reduces this bulky substitution (via enzymes) into a smaller hydroxy group.

I hope this all makes sense...

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #21904353 - 07/06/15 07:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

"jochen gartz" Thanks for the name drop, his stuff looks incredibly interesting. Got a free download of his book "magic mushrooms of the world". 57 dollars in paperback!!!The paper you mentioned of biotransformation is like 6 bucks to read so ill have to wait until I have more time...looks awesome tho!!!


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    #21904373 - 07/06/15 07:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the link!!! And ill have to do some reading on the other for my brain to make sense of it...thank you tho.

Best info on the subject I've ever seen.


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    #21904406 - 07/06/15 07:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No problem, I'm glad I could provide information of use.

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21904420 - 07/06/15 08:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Though this metabolism of these tryptamines has never been confirmed, meaning the tests have not been conducted, its the most logical pathway for these compounds, all the evidence points to this being the case.

Here's shulgins take on it, keep in mind TIHKAL is an older publication (1997 I think)

On the topic of psilocybin and psilocin, one of the most frequent questions I am asked is, "Isn't it true that psilocybin is immediately converted to psilocin in the blood stream, and so the two chemicals are in essence identical, molecule for molecule?" At this moment I always suppress a brief sense of mental fragmentation, with the automatic reply, "Where is the evidence that psilocybin is converted to psilocin in man?" If it exists, I certainly do not know of it. This clears my conscience. I really do not know the answer. But I have a tremendously strong suspicion that it really does. Any such ester, be it the phosphate, the sulfate, or the acetate, would all be easily split to the archetypal indolol by the ubiquitous esterases in the body. I do indeed believe, in my inner heart, that they all act upon the brain as the same end product, psilocin. And here, with the N,N-diethyl homologue, the same arguments probably hold as well. -shulgin ; TIHKAL

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    #21904427 - 07/06/15 08:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Here's some more shulgin commentary on gartz:

However there is a very interesting study that took place in Leipzig about 15 years ago. Jochen Gartz, a mushroom explorer whom I know quite well, has done some fascinating studies with Psilocybe species by raising them on solid media containing strange tryptamines that are alien to the mushroom. Apparently the enzymes that are responsible for the 4-hydroxy group of psilocin are indifferent to what it is they choose to 4-hydroxylate. He has taken things like DPT or DIPT and put them in the growth media and the fruiting bodies that came out contain 4-hydroxy-DPT or 4-hydroxy-DIPT instead of psilocin. In fact, he has a patent on the process. These active compounds are made by the mushroom so they really are natural and yet they never have been observed in nature. I'll give you even odds that if you put spores of a psilocybe species on cow droppings loaded with 5-MeO-DMT you would come out with mushrooms containing 4,5-HO-MeO-DMT. This way you avoid a 10 step synthesis by growing a psychoactive mushroom that contains no illegal drug. -A. Shulgin

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21904428 - 07/06/15 08:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I followed john f casale's work where the experiments he conducted using acid and heat to completely convert psilocybin to psilocin.

It puzzled me how this could happen with out enzymatic activity from the body. But I think in his papers he mentions that the mushroom is loaded with the proper enzymes to convert as well.

I wonder if by using a mix acid/heat/mushroom/4acodmt if the end result would be psilocin since the enzymes are present to possibly make the transformation.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25] * 1
    #21906033 - 07/06/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I had a 500mg bag a while back. dosed roughly 100mg in a day between myself and 3 friends. 10 each all together, no effects. Myself and one friend pursued it and insufflated 20mg each additionally. A second friend ate another 20mg. Myself and the first friend saw a wobbly ceiling, along with a 'heavy' mushroom feeling.

Erowid lists the threshold dose for this unresearched chemical as 2.5mg. It was roughly 3 hours between our doses. I feel safe saying our (myself and first friend)doses could be equivalent to 25mg oral. With this in mind, I decided in regard to my safety and my health, the remaining powder was 10% effective/pure.

Weeks later, I got off work and ate the remaining 400mg. I was expecting a trip, at the very least. I was expecting a 30 minute minimum onset as well. No. Within 10 minutes I'm melting as I drive home. Without holding my hand out the window, I probably would have combusted and died.

Once I arrive at my home, ~25 minutes after dosing, my visuals are insane. I am still capable of speech and basic motor function. To my bed. What ensued was pure fucking agony. At one point I was reliving my entire childhood, sobbing, begging for help. Every figure in my life passed me by. I was alone. I asked for death, it had to end. I was killed. Only to be reborn as what I already was. A part of the universe. Even as a sound, I would still feel this horrible pain. This misery. At that point I lost my ego and blacked out for 8 hours.

The comedown was the most beautiful experience of my life. That trip, that chemical left me with the knowledge that I have been given a front row ticket to this beautiful experience called life. Only through being a custodian of my portion of the universe. That is the only route to harmony. To Unity.

If you actively want to pursue something like what I had at roughly 40mg, you're not even ready for what 4mg can show you. Taking psychedelics is not badass. It's a profound shift of consciousness. Be respectful and humble. Be patient. Be cautious.





I would like to fix some of the misinformation in this post.  First of all, your 4-ACO-DMT was not 10% pure, it was probably closer to 100%.  What happened is that you took 10mg at first, and thus had a tolerance when you redosed the 20mg three hours later.  This is evidenced by the fact that you did have a "heavy mushroom feeling" and saw open eye visuals.  You wouldn't get that feeling if you only redosed 2mg (if your 20mg dose was only 10% pure).  If you had just taken 30mg at once then you'd have had a good hard trip, but you messed it up by getting a tolerance from the first 10mg and then redosing three hours later.

Secondly, wtf were you doing driving after dosing 400mg of 4-ACO-DMT??? You are lucky to be alive, just from driving on that much, not counting the fact that you took such a high dose.  Once again, your stuff was not "only 10% pure" because if it was, then you wouldn't have blacked out for 8 hours and still have been tripping, because 40mg wouldn't do that, it lasts only 4-5 hours and only about 2 hours of that are intense peaking. 

To everyone who reads this:  DON'T TAKE 400mg OF 4-ACO-DMT. 


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I will wait a while till i'm more happy and then consider this more I will probably not do it but if I do I will start with 40mg then go to 100mg but I doubt I will go over 200mg. This thread is just be me contemplating being stupid because im sad sorry I didn't see it earlier. When im sad I tend to do stupid recluse things like taking 1000mg of 4-ACO-DMT as a matter of fact the trip that messed me up for months was a few weeks after my best friend's funeral. Im starting to get this was a bad idea thanks guys.




Good!  I'm glad you're not going through with that bad plan of doing 1000mg.  40mg is going to be a very intense trip and should do everything you're wanting to do, might even be too intense but it definitely won't dissapoint strength wise.  I personally think you might want to do a little less than 40mg for the first time, so you can get comfortable with it and figure out how much you'll need for a heavier trip.  Again, you're making a better choice now so good job but I'd still go a little lower than 40mg the first time, trust me and everyone else in this thread when we say it's no joke, this stuff is intense.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: BigHeart]
    #21906240 - 07/06/15 05:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If go over 100 you are dumb.


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    #21906265 - 07/06/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21906427 - 07/06/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I have been...





really? with no tolerance?

man you guys are crazy

like i said earlier in the thread...around 40mg of the sticky black freebase had me in the fetal position literally beginning for mercy

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    #21906570 - 07/06/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I topped out at ~20mg, but I'm a light tripper and I only tried it maybe 5-6 times. But that was as intense as I'm looking for. To think about somebody doing five times that much.... or 20 times that much!! Somebody clearly uneducated on the subject and who knows fuck all about where this drug came from or if it even is what he thinks it is. STUPID

I think it's really reckless to take even 50-60 mg, but I understand that some people are intelligent and know what they are doing and want to go very deep down the rabbit hole, despite the risks.

I used to think this way when I was 21-22. These days it sounds like a nightmare to go through one of those death trips. I just want to get really high, see some things, and think some interesting thoughts.

Also, where the hell is the mod for this forum? This should have been moved to ODD already, really. I mean I've seen posts with way less dosage advice get moved. This thread is full of bad advice and misinformation (mostly from the OP)


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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I have been...





really? with no tolerance?

man you guys are crazy

like i said earlier in the thread...around 40mg of the sticky black freebase had me in the fetal position literally beginning for mercy

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Oh sorry bill I was trying to make a joke I meant ive been dumb it was a dumb joke anyways. I should have said ive been know to be...


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21908363 - 07/07/15 05:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I have been...





really? with no tolerance?

man you guys are crazy

like i said earlier in the thread...around 40mg of the sticky black freebase had me in the fetal position literally beginning for mercy

^^ my one and only true "bad trip"



Oh sorry bill I was trying to make a joke I meant ive been dumb it was a dumb joke anyways. I should have said ive been know to be...





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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #21908431 - 07/07/15 06:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I followed john f casale's work where the experiments he conducted using acid and heat to completely convert psilocybin to psilocin.

It puzzled me how this could happen with out enzymatic activity from the body. But I think in his papers he mentions that the mushroom is loaded with the proper enzymes to convert as well.

I wonder if by using a mix acid/heat/mushroom/4acodmt if the end result would be psilocin since the enzymes are present to possibly make the transformation.




I'm not familiar with casale's work, but yes there are several ways to degrade the phosphorloxy group into a hydroxy group, enzymes being one, heat/age being one (there's evidence that psilocybin becomes psilocin with age or when the cataphores are exposed to heat over time), and I'm sure several acids or reaction processes could acheive this as well, and I'm sure you could do the same with 4-aco-DMT.

I'm going to look up casale's work and ill get back to you.

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: drr]
    #21908439 - 07/07/15 06:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I topped out at ~20mg, but I'm a light tripper and I only tried it maybe 5-6 times. But that was as intense as I'm looking for. To think about somebody doing five times that much.... or 20 times that much!! Somebody clearly uneducated on the subject and who knows fuck all about where this drug came from or if it even is what he thinks it is. STUPID

I think it's really reckless to take even 50-60 mg, but I understand that some people are intelligent and know what they are doing and want to go very deep down the rabbit hole, despite the risks.

I used to think this way when I was 21-22. These days it sounds like a nightmare to go through one of those death trips. I just want to get really high, see some things, and think some interesting thoughts.

Also, where the hell is the mod for this forum? This should have been moved to ODD already, really. I mean I've seen posts with way less dosage advice get moved. This thread is full of bad advice and misinformation (mostly from the OP)




Agreed, 20mgs is like eating 5 dry grams of stropharia cubensis....

( After ingestion, psilocybin is hydrolized to psilocin pretty rapidly and completely. 100 mg of psilocybin (C12H17N2O4P, MW=284.3) are equivalent to 72 mg of psilocin (C12H16N2O, MW= 204.3)
Keep this in mind when you look at these charts....

https://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info4.shtml


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21908452 - 07/07/15 06:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That's actually an insane ammount, I'm sure we all have had to just "guess" by dry wieght, and I'm sure we all over estimate how much we actually ate, going over 35mgs is crazy, 50mgs is totally crazy, but ive heard of this ammount being ingested, now if 4-aco-DMT hydrolyses into psilocin, and with psilocybin this is the case:

After ingestion, psilocybin is hydrolized to psilocin pretty rapidly and completely. 100 mg of psilocybin (C12H17N2O4P, MW=284.3) are equivalent to 72 mg of psilocin (C12H16N2O, MW= 204.3)

So I'm guessing the case is the same for 4-aco-dmt, you would end up with insane ammounts of psilocin in your system even at 100mgs.....


There was a female found dead in 1996 with very high plasma psilocin concentration (4000 mg/L). You would be reaching these insane levels, and it looks like death can occor at these doses.....
https://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_death.shtml

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21909089 - 07/07/15 10:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Casale was dea/ forensics/ dep of justice
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/19122936_An_aqueous-organic_extraction_method_for_the_isolation_and_identification_of_psilocin_from_hallucinogenic_mushrooms

Actually one of his first publishing's I believe, and he may or may not be retired idk. Looks like he has some recent publishing's. I ran into his work on erowid when reading an article by "cb gold" ref http://www.lycaeum.org/leda/docs/16311.shtml?ID=16311


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    #21909187 - 07/07/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Just in case nobody has said this, DO NOT mix an MAOI with 4-aco-DMT or psilocin unless your ready  for a long intense experiance, very little of which will be in your control.

You will end up like Dennis mckenna in "true hallucinations" during the experiment at LaChoerra.

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Obsidian]
    #21909210 - 07/07/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I would have to say - go fuck yourself OP. Morons like you are the reason why we can't have nice things. Whenever they discover a worthy entheogen there are the forces of idiocracy working to give it a bad name. For all I care down a gram of meth, insert a bottle up your ass, rape your sister, suicide by cops... or just grow up... but keep you stupid shit to yourself.



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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21909263 - 07/07/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If go over 100 you are dumb.



I have been...





really? with no tolerance?

man you guys are crazy

like i said earlier in the thread...around 40mg of the sticky black freebase had me in the fetal position literally beginning for mercy

^^ my one and only true "bad trip"





.....DAYUM BILL!....sounds rough....


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21910190 - 07/07/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If go over 100 you are dumb.



I have been...




If you are seriously considering this... just remember 1g of shrooms (cubes) is about 5mg psilocybin and 500ug psilocin, so roughly 6mg psilocin. Assuming 4-aco-dmt turns into psilocin in vitro, then 40mg of 4-aco-dmt is nearly the same as 7g of shrooms. 100mg is nearly 17 dried grams of cubensis. A gram is nearly 177 dried grams. I guarentee if you take that much 4-aco-dmt you will probably suffer long term (possibly permanent) mental illness


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21912162 - 07/07/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Nah I had an insane formosahuasca trip last night. Im spending my money on more traditional ayahuasca not 4 aco. I was in a jungle last night with my friend the spotted leopard. I want to devote my life to this im honestly thinking of living in peru for a little while with some shamans. Idk ayahuasca is the way and they know more I want to go with them.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21914160 - 07/08/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I dunno man it would be kind of hypocritical nobody gave China cat a stern talking to with his tales of thumbprints and far from it he is revered like some sort of a legend, his ass peppered with kisses...




IIRC ChinaCat's posts on thumb prints were made years after the deed, and not proposed dosing for the immediate future.  Besides, ChinaCat 1) had all kinds of tolerance and 2) had close, close friends who were willing to stand guard over his corporeal self for upwards of 36 hours.  Not an apples to apples comparison, IMHO.

N.B.




To be honest I am not sure if I really buy those stories anyway really dude. I think one was about his friend smearing liquid LSD on a phone and dosing him to get him off heroin? Bit far fetched I thought!

I might be wrong of course! I just think that regardless of those stories being true or false, whether intentionally or not, they do kind of serve to make many young kids on here think ridiculously stupid doses (or just taking psychedelic) are some kind of achievement.

Cant really rememeber, did he state that he did the thumbprint with a tolerance?


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: wolf8312]
    #21914559 - 07/08/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Im willing to bet someone could go swimming in LSD and it wouldnt be close to the intensity as IV 4-acO-DMT.

But thumbprints and such would make for a more "insane" experience due to its longer duration as where IVing the 4 only lasts about 20 minutes or so


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21914795 - 07/08/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Im willing to bet someone could go swimming in LSD and it wouldnt be close to the intensity as IV 4-acO-DMT.



Have you tried an IV of 4-aco-dmt? It sounds interesting if the effects are actually that profound.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21914838 - 07/08/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Bill has done a large amount of iv 4-aco-dmt before and he says it was the most intense psychedelic experience he has ever had. I bet if you look around you will find the thread he made about it, it used to be in his sig but he changed it


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Gottaloveacid] * 1
    #21914850 - 07/08/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well I can't find his thread just some guy saying PM .. Bill O'Reilly about IV'ing 4-aco DMT.....his old name was TMJ. Right now he is being treated for schizophrenia.:peace::sunny:M never mind that I found it http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16024975


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21914857 - 07/08/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Bill has done a large amount of iv 4-aco-dmt before and he says it was the most intense psychedelic experience he has ever had. I bet if you look around you will find the thread he made about it, it used to be in his sig but he changed it






yes, but that said I have not done a thumbprint but I cant imagine it being as intense...maybe IV LSD can compare :shrug: who knows


and in my report I say that I did 40mg IV...upon further investigation and comparisons...I now believe it was closer to 20mg that I IV'd.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21914865 - 07/08/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Well I can't find his thread just some guy saying PM .. Bill O'Reilly about IV'ing 4-aco DMT.....his old name was TMJ. Right now he is being treated for schizophrenia.:peace::sunny:M





my old name was TMJ and I had a psychotic breakdown about 2 years ago. It was drug-induced. I haven't been on any meds and have been my normal self for every a year now

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21914923 - 07/08/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Good god bill I just read that old report and you sound like a crazy profit. Was it really all that and why are you a messenger? It sounds insane but the whole thing about the matrix barcodes freaked me out that's what happened to me a few years back that made me go crazy for a while.I thought something like the codes were the codes of life and that I had broken them and I couldn't go back with this knowledge because I could make things morph and change by altering the code. It was the highest dose of mushrooms I have ever taken...


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21914941 - 07/08/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

when I say "i am just a messenger" I mean that I wasn't trying to say i had this ridiculous trip to show off or to sound like i experienced something nobody can...i was just trying to imply that what i had experienced was truly the top of the line IMHO

i wasn't trying to imply that i am better or more enlightened than anyone. my main concern was to share my experience so that others would also do it


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: wolf8312]
    #21914985 - 07/08/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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wolf8312 said:
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I dunno man it would be kind of hypocritical nobody gave China cat a stern talking to with his tales of thumbprints and far from it he is revered like some sort of a legend, his ass peppered with kisses...




IIRC ChinaCat's posts on thumb prints were made years after the deed, and not proposed dosing for the immediate future.  Besides, ChinaCat 1) had all kinds of tolerance and 2) had close, close friends who were willing to stand guard over his corporeal self for upwards of 36 hours.  Not an apples to apples comparison, IMHO.

N.B.




To be honest I am not sure if I really buy those stories anyway really dude. I think one was about his friend smearing liquid LSD on a phone and dosing him to get him off heroin? Bit far fetched I thought!

I might be wrong of course! I just think that regardless of those stories being true or false, whether intentionally or not, they do kind of serve to make many young kids on here think ridiculously stupid doses (or just taking psychedelic) are some kind of achievement.

Cant really rememeber, did he state that he did the thumbprint with a tolerance?




He placed crystal LSD on his phone. He was more than a friend but rather his family in a sense who apparently was crying when they met up because of what had become of his family member.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: dixienormous]
    #21915179 - 07/08/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Putting lsd on a phone?

Sounds like something 7th graders would do. Also, a thumbprint is usually only done for bragging rights...because God knows nobody needs to do that much...I bet at 30 hits you would get just as high as a thumbprint..its just the thumbprint will last longer.

LSD maxes out at doses WAY lower than a thumbprint...so anyone who eats a full TP is trying to achieve bragging rights, like I said.


Chinacat isn't some God of LSD...more like some old-timer that wants kids to think hes the LSD champion :rolleyes:


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21915205 - 07/08/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

LSD reacts upon many receptors. It's possible that at higher doses it acts upon on some of these receptors that have not been studied or documented because of the dosage required.

He was trying to dispel truth from rumor.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: dixienormous]
    #21915212 - 07/08/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

that could be true, I guess :shrug:

I still don't buy that a print would give you something 30-50 doses would not..besides longer duration


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21915332 - 07/08/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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LSD reacts upon many receptors. It's possible that at higher doses it acts upon on some of these receptors that have not been studied or documented because of the dosage required.

He was trying to dispel truth from rumor.




Well I am very interested to know the outer limits of the LSD experience as I never myself got close to it despite taking high doses (in the sane sense of the term).

I did once however have an experience with its cousin LSA (HBWR) that was so overpowering I suffered some a kind of dissociative reaction and black out followed by about 8 hours of mindlessly repetitive, brain blending insanity.

Even at that level it was waay too much of a mental overload to be of any use or value, not only in a therapeutic sense but mainly just as an experience. Mental overload to the point of total retardation.

That was an incredibly stupid and irresponsible dose but was after all a drop in the ocean in comparison to a TP.

The more experienced I got with psychedelics too, the more careful with them I became, thanks in large part to irresponsible behaviour that led to trip disasters and psychotic reactions.

I find it hard to understand how an experienced person who knows how powerful LSD actually is would ever one day up and decide to take that much unless it was taken with a huge tolerance.

LSD will utterly frazzle your mind if you take too much and I doubt there are very few people to be found in nature who are exceptions to this rule.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: wolf8312]
    #21915374 - 07/08/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I ate 35 hits of good LSD at one point it was utterly insane. The floor was swirling and I was going the whole world no longer exestid it was absurd with worm holes and all kinds of crazy things. I would not do that dose again I would of up untill yesterday but I realized that going that far on those kinds of things is meaningless and stupid.

Ayahuasca is what I like now and it doesn't take me far like that but at least its clear visions and not just cool. Dont get me wrong I love it when the walls are melting and the floor is going around and around but its not meaningful I really like ayahuasca because it means something. I think 10 tabs is enough for me im done going into crazyland I would much rather explore the forest with oral DMT than some crazy swirling things.


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    #21915416 - 07/08/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Is this like thread for teens?


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    #21915565 - 07/08/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Is this like thread for teens?





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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: wolf8312]
    #21915641 - 07/08/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

to the poster asking about iv 4aco dmt i just posted my experience in the trip reports section a couple of days ago its a little bit long but it would be hard to do it justice in a short report


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: stuckinwonderland]
    #21915668 - 07/08/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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to the poster asking about iv 4aco dmt i just posted my experience in the trip reports section a couple of days ago its a little bit long but it would be hard to do it justice in a short report





Link please?


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21915702 - 07/08/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i dont know how to link on my phone but if you go to the trip reports section its on the first page


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: stuckinwonderland]
    #21915712 - 07/08/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Tap (and hold) the link until it says copy url, then paste it on your response


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: stuckinwonderland]
    #21915730 - 07/08/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

whats the title? I cant find it


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21915751 - 07/08/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: stuckinwonderland]
    #21915765 - 07/08/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

nice read.

man..i could never imagine taking a shower after injecting that stuff. no way no how.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21915766 - 07/08/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

did it live up to the hype?


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21915779 - 07/08/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

well i doubt i would had but i had my girl there to help me so i managed haha. and yes it was so much more than what i wrote, but most of it would be impossible to type


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: stuckinwonderland]
    #21915826 - 07/08/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

to me it was the ultimate experience...the highest a man can get...the apocalypse and the resurrection...death and reincarnation :lol:


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21915872 - 07/08/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i have to say it was up there i have had 2 experiences with oral dmt that are tied with it. both were with an ounce or more of some super pontent mhrb. and an experience with dpt that ties it or atleast comes pretty close


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: stuckinwonderland]
    #21915884 - 07/08/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Do you think theres a chance you didn't hit the vein 100% properly? because I remember getting the absolute craziest rush of my life..superior to anything heroin gave me or cocaine. and cocaine gives mean rushes. it wasn't like this euphoric rish though...it was very weird. but the most intense rush I ever felt to the point I thought I had just killed myself

honestly...the most shocking part of the whole trip was finding out I had survived it


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21915925 - 07/08/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i got the vein i had some trouble hitting it at first because i dont iv really but i made sure i had it perfect before i pushed the plunger. and yes i got an extreme rush heard the carrier wave and saw spirits flying all at onece. it was really pretty overwhelming.

and ive only snorted coke and heroin so i really cant compare rushes.... and it shows i had never shot before i tried several times and looked like a junkey after my first iv experience i had so many marks


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21916407 - 07/08/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Do you think theres a chance you didn't hit the vein 100% properly? because I remember getting the absolute craziest rush of my life..superior to anything heroin gave me or cocaine. and cocaine gives mean rushes. it wasn't like this euphoric rish though...it was very weird. but the most intense rush I ever felt to the point I thought I had just killed myself

honestly...the most shocking part of the whole trip was finding out I had survived it



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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21916446 - 07/08/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Do you think theres a chance you didn't hit the vein 100% properly? because I remember getting the absolute craziest rush of my life..superior to anything heroin gave me or cocaine. and cocaine gives mean rushes. it wasn't like this euphoric rish though...it was very weird. but the most intense rush I ever felt to the point I thought I had just killed myself

honestly...the most shocking part of the whole trip was finding out I had survived it



Did you really or are you just in wonderland and you've been here so long you don't even know it? I feel that way sometimes I keep thinking one day im just going to wake up and all this will have been a dream.




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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Eggtimer]
    #21916505 - 07/08/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Do you think theres a chance you didn't hit the vein 100% properly? because I remember getting the absolute craziest rush of my life..superior to anything heroin gave me or cocaine. and cocaine gives mean rushes. it wasn't like this euphoric rish though...it was very weird. but the most intense rush I ever felt to the point I thought I had just killed myself

honestly...the most shocking part of the whole trip was finding out I had survived it



Did you really or are you just in wonderland and you've been here so long you don't even know it? I feel that way sometimes I keep thinking one day im just going to wake up and all this will have been a dream.




Some times I think I'm gonna wake up and it was just a DMT trip lol



Sometimes it feels like I am the only ACTUAL concious mind in this Matrix like world.
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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21916530 - 07/08/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:
Do you think theres a chance you didn't hit the vein 100% properly? because I remember getting the absolute craziest rush of my life..superior to anything heroin gave me or cocaine. and cocaine gives mean rushes. it wasn't like this euphoric rish though...it was very weird. but the most intense rush I ever felt to the point I thought I had just killed myself

honestly...the most shocking part of the whole trip was finding out I had survived it



Did you really or are you just in wonderland and you've been here so long you don't even know it? I feel that way sometimes I keep thinking one day im just going to wake up and all this will have been a dream.





after injecting that stuff, honestly I don't know what to believe anymore. I totally shut down my whole circuit or operating system...whatever you want to call it. Like this wasn't just a trip..this was legitimately hacking into the human being with the master keys only the master chemist holds. It was like pressing control alt delete and resetting everything. Words just fail because this was some hyper matrix "THE END" barcoded death that I somehow induced. I like to call it "the death shot"..and after, I got hyper-fast matrix-green numbers(00101010..) the whole experience was red-based as if I just plunged into alien hell. 

people like to call DMT a rollercoaster...well if DMT is a rollercoaster then this is a cannon


aw shucks...look what you made me do...another 4-acO-DMT rant under my belt :lol:


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21961354 - 07/18/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



Should help visualize how both compounds metabolize into psilocin.

I'm betting that DMT-sulfate ester would metabolize to psilocin as well...

Here's another post where I speculated on the matter after review a shulgin comment:

Any such ester, be it the phosphate, the sulfate, or the acetate, would all be easily split to the archetypal indolol by the ubiquitous esterases in the body -A. Shulgin; TIHKAL; 1997

Meaning that the sulfate ester of DMT should convert to 4-hydroxy-DMT (psilocin) just as easily as the phosphate or acetate ester.

Does a 4 substituted sulfate ester of DMT exist?

I don't know, but I can bet that it would metabolize into psilocin just as readily as 4-po-DMT or 4-ACO-DMT.

Maybe a 4 substituted propionyl ester of DMT, or a close variation of it would metabolize to psilocin as well...

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21961758 - 07/18/15 06:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I ate 35 hits of good LSD at one point it was utterly insane. The floor was swirling and I was going the whole world no longer exestid it was absurd with worm holes and all kinds of crazy things. I would not do that dose again I would of up untill yesterday but I realized that going that far on those kinds of things is meaningless and stupid.

Ayahuasca is what I like now and it doesn't take me far like that but at least its clear visions and not just cool. Dont get me wrong I love it when the walls are melting and the floor is going around and around but its not meaningful I really like ayahuasca because it means something. I think 10 tabs is enough for me im done going into crazyland I would much rather explore the forest with oral DMT than some crazy swirling things.




If ayahuasca isn't taking you as far as that, you're not taking enough. I have had experiences on aya and pharma, higher doses sure,
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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: natedawgnow]
    #21961819 - 07/18/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have had pharma and aya experiences that straight FLOORED me. I mean, unable to speak, unable to move, 
gripping the earth for fear
of being flung off of it into the abyss. I don't know who is preparing your ayahuasca,
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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: natedawgnow]
    #21962173 - 07/18/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well thanks to this thread I now know I did 400mg orally or the equivalent of 70 grams of dry cubes. Nice.

My experience was nothing like Bill's, so I need to revisit this with a needle at some point.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Govam]
    #21962245 - 07/18/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I took 60mg of 4-aco-dmt one time I was walking in circles singing to myself for a while haha.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Govam]
    #21962531 - 07/18/15 09:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I did 33mg yesterday. Doing 400mg would annihilate me.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: natedawgnow]
    #21962831 - 07/18/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I have had pharma and aya experiences that straight FLOORED me. I mean, unable to speak, unable to move, 
gripping the earth for fear
of being flung off of it into the abyss. I don't know who is preparing your ayahuasca,
but it sounds like you are not getting the full spectrum of potential that ayahuasca or pharmahuasca has to offer.



I prepare my own and use 20 grams of powered acacia confusa simmered for 45 minutes 3 times then do 5 or 6 grams of rue. :shrug: I read that was a high dose but its never been that crazy. How do you prepare such a powerful brew? Im already using double the amount they said was a good dose...


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21962837 - 07/18/15 11:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Holly fuck bill o'reilly is banned. :eek: wtf happend?


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21962857 - 07/18/15 11:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

How do you know he's banned?

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21962864 - 07/18/15 11:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21962871 - 07/18/15 11:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I almost exclusively make pharmahuasca nowadays. It involves using extracted DMT crystal, about 1mg per body pound is a heavy trip. I weigh 170 and and I usually do 150mg but I've done 200+ many times.

You use syrian rue or extracted harmala. If using extracted harmala I usually use 250 mg. If I'm making tea from the rue I use 5 grams.

I take a small glass and put about 2 oz of lemon juice into it and dump my freebase DMT into the juice and let it acidify into DMT citrate.
Drink half the tea, wait 30 min. Then I dump the lemon juice into the tea and gulp it down fast (terrible taste).
Then I enjoy the mind blownednesssss of the experience.

If I'm doing pure extracts, I still acidify my DMT with the lemon juice, but I take the 250mg of extracted harmala 20 or so minutes before downing the shot.

I've done the full tea prep, but I prefer pharmahuasca, A LOT less nausea and I can dose it how I feel :shrug:


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21962882 - 07/18/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ahhh...I see.  Never visited another members profile before.

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: natedawgnow]
    #21962933 - 07/18/15 11:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I almost exclusively make pharmahuasca nowadays. It involves using extracted DMT crystal, about 1mg per body pound is a heavy trip. I weigh 170 and and I usually do 150mg but I've done 200+ many times.

You use syrian rue or extracted harmala. If using extracted harmala I usually use 250 mg. If I'm making tea from the rue I use 5 grams.

I take a small glass and put about 2 oz of lemon juice into it and dump my freebase DMT into the juice and let it acidify into DMT citrate.
Drink half the tea, wait 30 min. Then I dump the lemon juice into the tea and gulp it down fast (terrible taste).
Then I enjoy the mind blownednesssss of the experience.

If I'm doing pure extracts, I still acidify my DMT with the lemon juice, but I take the 250mg of extracted harmala 20 or so minutes before downing the shot.

I've done the full tea prep, but I prefer pharmahuasca, A LOT less nausea and I can dose it how I feel :shrug:


I can never get that much DMT at once I always do litlle 20 gram extractions so I dont mess anything up and get like 100mg. Maybe if I just use 30 grams of root bark next time, but I like the tea I take the tannins out with egg white so its only slight nausea. My last experience was mostly like dreaming and I could snap out of it at any minute. I guess ill do a 30 to 40 gram tea and 10 grams of rue I never get enough at 5.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21962974 - 07/18/15 11:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Just due a larger extraction. The bark varies in potency from one plant to the next, so extracting it takes the guess work out of the game.

Next time you try to make tea, squeeze a lemon into the acacia brew for each run you do. This will help pull out the alkaloids and acidify the DMT


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: natedawgnow]
    #21963291 - 07/19/15 01:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm still waiting to be able to sleep after dosing 200mg of harmala alkaloids and 75mg DMT freebase. Was quite a spectacle, made all the more spectacular because I fell asleep before the come up and woke up tripping 3+.

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21963528 - 07/19/15 05:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I took 15 mg psilacetin Friday night and it absolutely was awesome.  I don't think I could ever go over 30 at the most. And I'd have to work up the courage to do that. I can't trip like most of you guys...


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: natedawgnow]
    #21963596 - 07/19/15 06:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I ate 35 hits of good LSD at one point it was utterly insane. The floor was swirling and I was going the whole world no longer exestid it was absurd with worm holes and all kinds of crazy things. I would not do that dose again I would of up untill yesterday but I realized that going that far on those kinds of things is meaningless and stupid.

Ayahuasca is what I like now and it doesn't take me far like that but at least its clear visions and not just cool. Dont get me wrong I love it when the walls are melting and the floor is going around and around but its not meaningful I really like ayahuasca because it means something. I think 10 tabs is enough for me im done going into crazyland I would much rather explore the forest with oral DMT than some crazy swirling things.




If ayahuasca isn't taking you as far as that, you're not taking enough. I have had experiences on aya and pharma, higher doses sure,
that are incomparable to any experience I've had before. I have, with a 200+ mg pharma experience,
been at deaths gate. I understood that what I was experiencing was similar to if not the exact same as death. Only instead of non existence,
after floating out of my body and delving into a realm I have never before experienced, I came back to my body,
humbled more so than I can even closely relay in text.




My high dose LSD experiences really were something, but nothing in comparison to my experiences with DMT. It's death, it's no coincidence the natives named it "vine of the dead" because when you ingest this stuff the barriers between the living and the dead dissolve...

Where as LSD was more personality/psychology oriented and can be arbrasively psychoanalytical at times...

I fully believe that DMT and it's preparations have a special connection to the dead and the after life, where other psychedelics (except for high dose psilocin) don't seem to share this specific connection the majority of the time.

-E. Borodin


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: GoldenEye]
    #24799321 - 11/22/17 06:27 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I took 350mg of 4-ac0-dmt and 2 hours in I felt sick to my stomach and ended up beinnrushed to the hospital for an overdose. I’ve taken 100/100mg 4-AcO-DMT and 4-AcO-DMT-MET and I was fine. I think taking a full gram may kill you but if not then you’ll for sure overdose. I had a plenty intense trip off 35mg/100mg but the 350 was too much and I’ve heard a few similar stories of people taking that high of a dose and haven’t read a lot good about the experience. Good luck if you decide to take that amount


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Tattoomatt33]
    #24799329 - 11/22/17 06:30 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I took 350 mg a few days ago and ended up overdosing and being rushed to a hospital. I’ve taken up to 150 and I was fine. I don’t suggest anything more than 100/200mg but be safe and rest the waters first before you dive that deep.


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    #24799952 - 11/22/17 12:52 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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I took 350 mg a few days ago and ended up overdosing and being rushed to a hospital. I’ve taken up to 150 and I was fine. I don’t suggest anything more than 100/200mg but be safe and rest the waters first before you dive that deep.





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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Tattoomatt33]
    #24800824 - 11/22/17 08:23 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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I took 350mg of 4-ac0-dmt and 2 hours in I felt sick to my stomach and ended up beinnrushed to the hospital for an overdose. I’ve taken 100/100mg 4-AcO-DMT and 4-AcO-DMT-MET and I was fine. I think taking a full gram may kill you but if not then you’ll for sure overdose. I had a plenty intense trip off 35mg/100mg but the 350 was too much and I’ve heard a few similar stories of people taking that high of a dose and haven’t read a lot good about the experience. Good luck if you decide to take that amount




please do tell more. did they just release you after your trip was over, cause you were fine? were there any complications? or did you just freak out and though you were dieing? For the sake of science I needs to know


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Johnny Dont]
    #24800855 - 11/22/17 08:34 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Can someone please post the thread where the guy ate 650mg+ of the stuff? I'm too drunk to do it damnit.

He tripped for like 18 hours and played chess with a guy who wasn't there or something.


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