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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21906427 - 07/06/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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thewanderer25 said:
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Bill_Oreilly said:
If go over 100 you are dumb.



I have been...





really? with no tolerance?

man you guys are crazy

like i said earlier in the thread...around 40mg of the sticky black freebase had me in the fetal position literally beginning for mercy

^^ my one and only true "bad trip"


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21906570 - 07/06/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I topped out at ~20mg, but I'm a light tripper and I only tried it maybe 5-6 times. But that was as intense as I'm looking for. To think about somebody doing five times that much.... or 20 times that much!! Somebody clearly uneducated on the subject and who knows fuck all about where this drug came from or if it even is what he thinks it is. STUPID

I think it's really reckless to take even 50-60 mg, but I understand that some people are intelligent and know what they are doing and want to go very deep down the rabbit hole, despite the risks.

I used to think this way when I was 21-22. These days it sounds like a nightmare to go through one of those death trips. I just want to get really high, see some things, and think some interesting thoughts.

Also, where the hell is the mod for this forum? This should have been moved to ODD already, really. I mean I've seen posts with way less dosage advice get moved. This thread is full of bad advice and misinformation (mostly from the OP)


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21907912 - 07/07/15 12:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:
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thewanderer25 said:
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Bill_Oreilly said:
If go over 100 you are dumb.



I have been...





really? with no tolerance?

man you guys are crazy

like i said earlier in the thread...around 40mg of the sticky black freebase had me in the fetal position literally beginning for mercy

^^ my one and only true "bad trip"



Oh sorry bill I was trying to make a joke I meant ive been dumb it was a dumb joke anyways. I should have said ive been know to be...


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21908363 - 07/07/15 05:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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thewanderer25 said:
Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
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thewanderer25 said:
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Bill_Oreilly said:
If go over 100 you are dumb.



I have been...





really? with no tolerance?

man you guys are crazy

like i said earlier in the thread...around 40mg of the sticky black freebase had me in the fetal position literally beginning for mercy

^^ my one and only true "bad trip"



Oh sorry bill I was trying to make a joke I meant ive been dumb it was a dumb joke anyways. I should have said ive been know to be...





ah gotcha


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #21908431 - 07/07/15 06:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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preschooler said:
I followed john f casale's work where the experiments he conducted using acid and heat to completely convert psilocybin to psilocin.

It puzzled me how this could happen with out enzymatic activity from the body. But I think in his papers he mentions that the mushroom is loaded with the proper enzymes to convert as well.

I wonder if by using a mix acid/heat/mushroom/4acodmt if the end result would be psilocin since the enzymes are present to possibly make the transformation.




I'm not familiar with casale's work, but yes there are several ways to degrade the phosphorloxy group into a hydroxy group, enzymes being one, heat/age being one (there's evidence that psilocybin becomes psilocin with age or when the cataphores are exposed to heat over time), and I'm sure several acids or reaction processes could acheive this as well, and I'm sure you could do the same with 4-aco-DMT.

I'm going to look up casale's work and ill get back to you.

-E. Borodin


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: drr]
    #21908439 - 07/07/15 06:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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drr said:
I topped out at ~20mg, but I'm a light tripper and I only tried it maybe 5-6 times. But that was as intense as I'm looking for. To think about somebody doing five times that much.... or 20 times that much!! Somebody clearly uneducated on the subject and who knows fuck all about where this drug came from or if it even is what he thinks it is. STUPID

I think it's really reckless to take even 50-60 mg, but I understand that some people are intelligent and know what they are doing and want to go very deep down the rabbit hole, despite the risks.

I used to think this way when I was 21-22. These days it sounds like a nightmare to go through one of those death trips. I just want to get really high, see some things, and think some interesting thoughts.

Also, where the hell is the mod for this forum? This should have been moved to ODD already, really. I mean I've seen posts with way less dosage advice get moved. This thread is full of bad advice and misinformation (mostly from the OP)




Agreed, 20mgs is like eating 5 dry grams of stropharia cubensis....

( After ingestion, psilocybin is hydrolized to psilocin pretty rapidly and completely. 100 mg of psilocybin (C12H17N2O4P, MW=284.3) are equivalent to 72 mg of psilocin (C12H16N2O, MW= 204.3)
Keep this in mind when you look at these charts....

https://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info4.shtml


-E. Borodin


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21908452 - 07/07/15 06:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That's actually an insane ammount, I'm sure we all have had to just "guess" by dry wieght, and I'm sure we all over estimate how much we actually ate, going over 35mgs is crazy, 50mgs is totally crazy, but ive heard of this ammount being ingested, now if 4-aco-DMT hydrolyses into psilocin, and with psilocybin this is the case:

After ingestion, psilocybin is hydrolized to psilocin pretty rapidly and completely. 100 mg of psilocybin (C12H17N2O4P, MW=284.3) are equivalent to 72 mg of psilocin (C12H16N2O, MW= 204.3)

So I'm guessing the case is the same for 4-aco-dmt, you would end up with insane ammounts of psilocin in your system even at 100mgs.....


There was a female found dead in 1996 with very high plasma psilocin concentration (4000 mg/L). You would be reaching these insane levels, and it looks like death can occor at these doses.....
https://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_death.shtml

-E. Borodin


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21909089 - 07/07/15 10:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Casale was dea/ forensics/ dep of justice
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/19122936_An_aqueous-organic_extraction_method_for_the_isolation_and_identification_of_psilocin_from_hallucinogenic_mushrooms

Actually one of his first publishing's I believe, and he may or may not be retired idk. Looks like he has some recent publishing's. I ran into his work on erowid when reading an article by "cb gold" ref http://www.lycaeum.org/leda/docs/16311.shtml?ID=16311


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21909187 - 07/07/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
Just in case nobody has said this, DO NOT mix an MAOI with 4-aco-DMT or psilocin unless your ready  for a long intense experiance, very little of which will be in your control.

You will end up like Dennis mckenna in "true hallucinations" during the experiment at LaChoerra.

-E. Borodin




.....oh...dude!.....Dennis McKenna! .....holyyyyyy shit!:wizardfail:


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Obsidian]
    #21909210 - 07/07/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I would have to say - go fuck yourself OP. Morons like you are the reason why we can't have nice things. Whenever they discover a worthy entheogen there are the forces of idiocracy working to give it a bad name. For all I care down a gram of meth, insert a bottle up your ass, rape your sister, suicide by cops... or just grow up... but keep you stupid shit to yourself.



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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21909263 - 07/07/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:
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thewanderer25 said:
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Bill_Oreilly said:
If go over 100 you are dumb.



I have been...





really? with no tolerance?

man you guys are crazy

like i said earlier in the thread...around 40mg of the sticky black freebase had me in the fetal position literally beginning for mercy

^^ my one and only true "bad trip"





.....DAYUM BILL!....sounds rough....


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21910190 - 07/07/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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thewanderer25 said:
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Bill_Oreilly said:
If go over 100 you are dumb.



I have been...




If you are seriously considering this... just remember 1g of shrooms (cubes) is about 5mg psilocybin and 500ug psilocin, so roughly 6mg psilocin. Assuming 4-aco-dmt turns into psilocin in vitro, then 40mg of 4-aco-dmt is nearly the same as 7g of shrooms. 100mg is nearly 17 dried grams of cubensis. A gram is nearly 177 dried grams. I guarentee if you take that much 4-aco-dmt you will probably suffer long term (possibly permanent) mental illness


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21912162 - 07/07/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Nah I had an insane formosahuasca trip last night. Im spending my money on more traditional ayahuasca not 4 aco. I was in a jungle last night with my friend the spotted leopard. I want to devote my life to this im honestly thinking of living in peru for a little while with some shamans. Idk ayahuasca is the way and they know more I want to go with them.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21914160 - 07/08/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I dunno man it would be kind of hypocritical nobody gave China cat a stern talking to with his tales of thumbprints and far from it he is revered like some sort of a legend, his ass peppered with kisses...




IIRC ChinaCat's posts on thumb prints were made years after the deed, and not proposed dosing for the immediate future.  Besides, ChinaCat 1) had all kinds of tolerance and 2) had close, close friends who were willing to stand guard over his corporeal self for upwards of 36 hours.  Not an apples to apples comparison, IMHO.

N.B.




To be honest I am not sure if I really buy those stories anyway really dude. I think one was about his friend smearing liquid LSD on a phone and dosing him to get him off heroin? Bit far fetched I thought!

I might be wrong of course! I just think that regardless of those stories being true or false, whether intentionally or not, they do kind of serve to make many young kids on here think ridiculously stupid doses (or just taking psychedelic) are some kind of achievement.

Cant really rememeber, did he state that he did the thumbprint with a tolerance?


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: wolf8312]
    #21914559 - 07/08/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Im willing to bet someone could go swimming in LSD and it wouldnt be close to the intensity as IV 4-acO-DMT.

But thumbprints and such would make for a more "insane" experience due to its longer duration as where IVing the 4 only lasts about 20 minutes or so


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21914795 - 07/08/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Im willing to bet someone could go swimming in LSD and it wouldnt be close to the intensity as IV 4-acO-DMT.



Have you tried an IV of 4-aco-dmt? It sounds interesting if the effects are actually that profound.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21914838 - 07/08/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Bill has done a large amount of iv 4-aco-dmt before and he says it was the most intense psychedelic experience he has ever had. I bet if you look around you will find the thread he made about it, it used to be in his sig but he changed it


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Gottaloveacid] * 1
    #21914850 - 07/08/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well I can't find his thread just some guy saying PM .. Bill O'Reilly about IV'ing 4-aco DMT.....his old name was TMJ. Right now he is being treated for schizophrenia.:peace::sunny:M never mind that I found it http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16024975


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21914857 - 07/08/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Bill has done a large amount of iv 4-aco-dmt before and he says it was the most intense psychedelic experience he has ever had. I bet if you look around you will find the thread he made about it, it used to be in his sig but he changed it






yes, but that said I have not done a thumbprint but I cant imagine it being as intense...maybe IV LSD can compare :shrug: who knows


and in my report I say that I did 40mg IV...upon further investigation and comparisons...I now believe it was closer to 20mg that I IV'd.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21914865 - 07/08/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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thewanderer25 said:
Well I can't find his thread just some guy saying PM .. Bill O'Reilly about IV'ing 4-aco DMT.....his old name was TMJ. Right now he is being treated for schizophrenia.:peace::sunny:M





my old name was TMJ and I had a psychotic breakdown about 2 years ago. It was drug-induced. I haven't been on any meds and have been my normal self for every a year now

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16024975


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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