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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #21901395 - 07/05/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Being handcuffed to something seems like a solid way to ruin your trip. You don't think you're going to freak out once you start tripping and realize you're trapped? And what are you going to do for bathroom visits?



You're right I may start freaking out but its better than me romeing the streets in a state like that. About the bathroom I may fast for a few days before this so I doubt I will need to go. Maybe if I get a friend to lock me in the bathroom and play me some grateful dead. Or my basement it has no windows I could set up a speaker and put some spiritual statues of hindu gods around maybe light it by nice smelling candles. That would work as long as my friend doesnt let me out.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #21901434 - 07/05/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think someone has misunderstood meditation and spiritual tripping

When spirituality for them is about high doses & research chemicals + handcuffs

A twisted mind maybe?

I bet you could serve god better when tripping/up to/after the trip , what are you creating?


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: lessismore] * 1
    #21901477 - 07/05/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I would have to say - go fuck yourself OP. Morons like you are the reason why we can't have nice things. Whenever they discover a worthy entheogen there are the forces of idiocracy working to give it a bad name. For all I care down a gram of meth, insert a bottle up your ass, rape your sister, suicide by cops... or just grow up... but keep you stupid shit to yourself.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: XXfuzyxgamingXX] * 1
    #21901486 - 07/05/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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This is going to be good  :thisisgonnabegood:




what do you mean by that? if you're expecting it to be "good" in any sort of pleasurable way you will be sorely mistaken. the nervous system shock that would result from the very efficient delivery of a pure, hyper potent chem would likely result in a trip spent in the fetal position.





40mg or so of the stick black freebase got me in the fetal position. I cant fucking imagine what anything over 120mg would be like...


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Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21901567 - 07/05/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So I know 4-Aco-DMT is like mushrooms but in a concentrated form. I was wondering if I got like a gram and did it all what would happen I think it has relatively low toxicity but im not sure. Has anyone eaten a bunch of 4-Aco-DMT I think I might buy a gram and do it all with some harmals although im not sure if I would come back...

But if I did it would make for a good trip report. I heard that 100mg of 4-Aco-DMT is like an 8th of cubes so I would be eating over an ounce of highly potent cubes and adding a maoi. God know what will happen but I may come back with some grand vision or I might end up a drooling lunatic. As long as it doesn't kill me im going for it.



Stupid.


No, 25 mg of 4-aco-dmt is like an eighth of shrooms. You would be lucky to survive if you ate a whole gram of this chemical, it would be absolutely retarded to do that.

Taking just 100mg is considered 'risky' and beyond the well-traveled realm of this substance's dose-response curve.

That being said I'm thinking this is a troll thread, it's so dumb.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21901573 - 07/05/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Being handcuffed to something seems like a solid way to ruin your trip. You don't think you're going to freak out once you start tripping and realize you're trapped? And what are you going to do for bathroom visits?



You're right I may start freaking out but its better than me romeing the streets in a state like that. About the bathroom I may fast for a few days before this so I doubt I will need to go. Maybe if I get a friend to lock me in the bathroom and play me some grateful dead. Or my basement it has no windows I could set up a speaker and put some spiritual statues of hindu gods around maybe light it by nice smelling candles. That would work as long as my friend doesnt let me out.



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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: drr] * 1
    #21901780 - 07/05/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Shulgin once said that if someone is insistent on taking heroic doses that they need to do some serious soul searching.

I once felt like I needed to take heroic doses every time I took a psychedelic and I did so because I felt inferior to others because my mother pushed psychiatric drugs on me. I did these doses of psychedelics to feel stronger mentally because I could handle them.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21901925 - 07/05/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

15mg was nice but hardly anything happened besides enhanced thought. 30mg blew my ass away. Don't think I'll ever do 50mg :dawerp:
Be careful. This stuff can be very strong.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Eggtimer]
    #21902004 - 07/05/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'd also like to point out that when I did 35mg my brain was pretty burnt out for a week or so afterwards.  No permanent I'll effects or something at that dosage but I'm 100% if you take too much you'll screw up your serotonin receptors in a big way.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: BigHeart] * 2
    #21902492 - 07/05/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I had a 500mg bag a while back. dosed roughly 100mg in a day between myself and 3 friends. 10 each all together, no effects. Myself and one friend pursued it and insufflated 20mg each additionally. A second friend ate another 20mg. Myself and the first friend saw a wobbly ceiling, along with a 'heavy' mushroom feeling.

Erowid lists the threshold dose for this unresearched chemical as 2.5mg. It was roughly 3 hours between our doses. I feel safe saying our (myself and first friend)doses could be equivalent to 25mg oral. With this in mind, I decided in regard to my safety and my health, the remaining powder was 10% effective/pure.

Weeks later, I got off work and ate the remaining 400mg. I was expecting a trip, at the very least. I was expecting a 30 minute minimum onset as well. No. Within 10 minutes I'm melting as I drive home. Without holding my hand out the window, I probably would have combusted and died.

Once I arrive at my home, ~25 minutes after dosing, my visuals are insane. I am still capable of speech and basic motor function. To my bed. What ensued was pure fucking agony. At one point I was reliving my entire childhood, sobbing, begging for help. Every figure in my life passed me by. I was alone. I asked for death, it had to end. I was killed. Only to be reborn as what I already was. A part of the universe. Even as a sound, I would still feel this horrible pain. This misery. At that point I lost my ego and blacked out for 8 hours.

The comedown was the most beautiful experience of my life. That trip, that chemical left me with the knowledge that I have been given a front row ticket to this beautiful experience called life. Only through being a custodian of my portion of the universe. That is the only route to harmony. To Unity.

If you actively want to pursue something like what I had at roughly 40mg, you're not even ready for what 4mg can show you. Taking psychedelics is not badass. It's a profound shift of consciousness. Be respectful and humble. Be patient. Be cautious.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Govam]
    #21903337 - 07/05/15 11:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh my god you guys are acting like I have never had a psychedelic I get what's going to happen and its fine. I have had high doses of mushrooms and acid. As for the last story that sounds perfect man im looking to go that far so you had 400mg right? Would you say it was life changing? Im looking for something that breaks me down completely like what you described but when im on mushrooms it seems to last an eternity is 4 ACO DMT the same? Im not trolling about this guys im actually trying to do this and so give advice or leave me alone im doing it and nothing will persuade me not to.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: BigHeart]
    #21903404 - 07/05/15 11:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I'd also like to point out that when I did 35mg my brain was pretty burnt out for a week or so afterwards.  No permanent I'll effects or something at that dosage but I'm 100% if you take too much you'll screw up your serotonin receptors in a big way.


That happend to me from 3 8ths of cultivated psilocybe azurescens. I think 200mg may take me back to the place I whent from them and im ready. Its me facing my fears last time I was there I remember thinking it would never end and it felt like an eternity when I woke up I felt I had been gone so long it was hard to function I wasn't 100% sure this was real for months. For a whole year I would sometimes wake up screaming because I had visions of what I saw in my trip in my sleep. Some where patterns so complicated only a super computer could understand them.

I want to go back and face my fears and this seems like a good way to do it.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21903451 - 07/05/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you read his post carefully you'll see that he said he reckons (from taking some) that the powder he had was approx 10% active/effective so he estimated the trip to be approx 40mg... Correct me I im wrong anyone but that's what I got from it.
To be honest I think you could find what you're looking for with a highish dose of just mushrooms alone. Efficient use of sensory deprivation and productive thinking/meditation while on psilocin will take you higher than imagined. Maybe you should try wood loving mushrooms. They can sometimes give a much stronger, arguably deeper trip.

Is it possible you have a lot of stress in your life at the moment? Has there been a traumatic event which still lingers? It seems strange you're willing to throw away your life potentially for a research chemical....

I understand that your such an experienced psychonaut and you think you can handle it all but seriously the only way I can see takin huge (stupid) amounts of 4Aco or anything really is going to go is downhill and fast. You're jeopardising not only your own freedom, sanity and possibly life but also the good name that psychedelics are only just starting to get back after decades of oppression.

Don't try to be the man. There's already enough of them around!


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Devoswitch]
    #21903505 - 07/05/15 11:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If you read his post carefully you'll see that he said he reckons (from taking some) that the powder he had was approx 10% active/effective so he estimated the trip to be approx 40mg... Correct me I im wrong anyone but that's what I got from it.
To be honest I think you could find what you're looking for with a highish dose of just mushrooms alone. Efficient use of sensory deprivation and productive thinking/meditation while on psilocin will take you higher than imagined. Maybe you should try wood loving mushrooms. They can sometimes give a much stronger, arguably deeper trip.

Is it possible you have a lot of stress in your life at the moment? Has there been a traumatic event which still lingers? It seems strange you're willing to throw away your life potentially for a research chemical....

I understand that your such an experienced psychonaut and you think you can handle it all but seriously the only way I can see takin huge (stupid) amounts of 4Aco or anything really is going to go is downhill and fast. You're jeopardising not only your own freedom, sanity and possibly life but also the good name that psychedelics are only just starting to get back after decades of oppression.

Don't try to be the man. There's already enough of them around!



Honestly man ive been really depressed recently I lost my job and have been down and im just wanting to go very far because when its good the feeling stays with me a long time. I would just do mushrooms but I don't have a dealer and all the ones I find have not been coming up anymore (they're just panaeolus cinctulus though). Idk I just want to go back there I feel I need to and im not trying to get the chemical banned or anything I just figured I can handle it. Idk im going to give this some real deep thought and im doing ayahuasca tomorrow so I will keep this on my mind and try and see what I should do. And im not trying to get high im trying to travel man its like a vacation for me but this I can learn from I need a vacation right now.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21903589 - 07/06/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I would definitely advise working through the problems you're facing in your everyday life instead of trying to run away from them. This is contradictory to my last post  BUT be a man and face them head on. Get out there and meet some nice sociable people with good values. Do some training or self improvement so the next job you will get will be even better than the one you had! 
Exercise is an extremely important tool against depression. It works wonders! Start going for some runs or lifting weights for 45 mins or so a day.
I know what depression is like... Trust me I've had my fair share. You have to be brave and make concious choices to improve yourself. Most of the time Psychedelics aren't the right option until you get on top of it.
Your life WILL improve. You just have to stop thinking you're down and out and tart thinking you're on the path to healing! Keep your chin up man.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Devoswitch]
    #21903599 - 07/06/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh and take a real vacation if you need one. Go sit on a tropical beach somewhere and drink some green tea or something. Try to avoid alcohol and sugars!
Make it a physical vacation instead of a mental one. Otherwise you might just be getting your bags checked into the wrong institution....


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21903624 - 07/06/15 12:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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so give advice or leave me alone



You don't want advice. Everyone in this thread has already given you advice, and told you not to do it, and you've ignored all of it. The only thing you want is for someone to say "go for it man"

Well fuck that, don't do it, it's stupid, and it would be profoundly stupid to do it. But continue to ignore all the advice everyone in this thread has given you, I guess.

DON'T DO IT.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21903642 - 07/06/15 12:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You should take 100mg before taking 1000mg.

Trust me, please!


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Devoswitch]
    #21903655 - 07/06/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

True man I need to be in a good state of mind to consider this more. It is something I want to attempt but its not something im willing to go insane for. Im not super depressed im just down my parents called when I lost my job and they were like "you just couldn't go to college could you, you had to run off and be some low life stoner". Im more down that they see me as a failure and I guess I am trying to escape thanks man you made me think about this in a different way I wasn't really thinking about my state of mind.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21903696 - 07/06/15 12:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I will wait a while till i'm more happy and then consider this more I will probably not do it but if I do I will start with 40mg then go to 100mg but I doubt I will go over 200mg. This thread is just be me contemplating being stupid because im sad sorry I didn't see it earlier. When im sad I tend to do stupid recluse things like taking 1000mg of 4-ACO-DMT as a matter of fact the trip that messed me up for months was a few weeks after my best friend's funeral. Im starting to get this was a bad idea thanks guys.


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