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Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT.
    #21899238 - 07/05/15 12:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So I know 4-Aco-DMT is like mushrooms but in a concentrated form. I was wondering if I got like a gram and did it all what would happen I think it has relatively low toxicity but im not sure. Has anyone eaten a bunch of 4-Aco-DMT I think I might buy a gram and do it all with some harmals although im not sure if I would come back...

But if I did it would make for a good trip report. I heard that 100mg of 4-Aco-DMT is like an 8th of cubes so I would be eating over an ounce of highly potent cubes and adding a maoi. God know what will happen but I may come back with some grand vision or I might end up a drooling lunatic. As long as it doesn't kill me im going for it.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25] * 1
    #21899246 - 07/05/15 12:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: GoldenEye]
    #21899255 - 07/05/15 12:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ha I wish but do you know if taking a maoi with it will be bad I figured syrian rue would boost it to a whole new level. Although a full gram of 4-Aco-DMT is a lot on its own. Im just trying to explore uncharted psychonaut stuff and I figured a whole ounce equivalent of mushrooms and MAOIs would be insanity at its finest.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25] * 2
    #21899268 - 07/05/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

100 mg is not an eight of cubes according to erowid. Around 25 mg is similar to 5+ grams of cubes. That being said, it's thought that 4-ACO-Dmt metabolizes into psilocin, the same way as psilocybin does.

If it does metabolize into psilocin, then it'd be near non-toxic. You'd probably be okay(there was a report on blue light of someone taking 250-500 mg and not experiencing any ill effects). But you'd trip nuts. The dose you wanna do would be like a few ounces of mushrooms, plus a moai?

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21899270 - 07/05/15 12:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sounds dangerous; but who knows?

I've heard 75mg with syrian rue is something else..


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Achillita] * 2
    #21899313 - 07/05/15 12:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Also if it did metabolize into psilocin(which is highly suspected, but not confirmed), you'd take about 1/17 the lethal dose if you dosed a gram. That'd be an insane trip, and hell you might just black out from so much, or be stuck in eternity...

Dose safe, start much lower. Don't be stupid man, respect the psychedelics!


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Achillita]
    #21899327 - 07/05/15 12:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ya but fuck it im doing it. Are you 100% sure I will not die? I just really don't want to die. I got to save up for a gram though so I will have time to think about this. Im 100% sure im going to do it and probably go insane in the process. Its a 140 for a gram this is going to be one expensive trip. I just got to get more cash but im actully going to do this  :fatfear: Im going to take 3 grams of rue as well...


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21899371 - 07/05/15 01:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I can't say you wouldn't die. It's assuming that it metabolizes into psilocin and only psilocin. Chances are you probably wouldn't, but why take the chance? 100 mg of it would be like 20 grams of good cubes. If you want a high dose, start there. It'll be plenty.

The only difference between 4-ACO-DMT and psilocybin is the protective rings that make them more stable and less likely to oxidize. It's an educated guess that says it metabolizes into psilocin. It probably does based on how it acts and looks, but there isn't any hard evidence as it hasn't been studied. It could be more toxic, or could be the same.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25] * 1
    #21899378 - 07/05/15 01:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Send my regards to Satan. I'm sure you'll meet him.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: dixienormous] * 1
    #21899421 - 07/05/15 01:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You should be careful buddy.

Insane amounts of any psychedelic is playing dice with your own sanity and when you lose it almost anything could happen.

You also dont want to be mixing it with an MAOI unless you are trying to potentiate small amounts of a substance that doesn't last very long at least IMO.

What you probably will end up doing is extending the duration of what would basically be a very potent Anahuasca experience. Correct me if I am wrong as I haven't checked the duration of 4-Aco-DMT but I imagine it lasts as long as mushrooms do and produces a similar experience (hyperspace with very high doses).

If so the duration in my opinion would already be too long for any reasonable man to wish to bear in full on hyperspace. DMT is not as psychotic and dangerous as mushrooms and LSD can be, but I have no idea about 4-Aco-DMT though I'd imagine it would be more like psilocybin.

You might actually be shielded from danger by the awesome and incapacitating effects of the hyperspace machine, but trust me nobody would want to stay there longer than at most an hour or so. The safest route is a high dose of DMT combined with an MAOI. That should be enough for anyone for one lifetime.

Everyone should avoid at all costs getting themselves into delusional states of mind unless they know for sure that were they to believe for certain they were going to die (while tripping) that this would not then produce an explosive psychotic reaction.

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God know what will happen but I may come back with some grand vision or I might end up a drooling lunatic. As long as it doesn't kill me im going for it.





Try not to think of it like this. Insane doses will not bring you to GOD or any ultimate realization and will bring instead a pretty good chance of some great misfortune occurring- hospitalization, arrest, murder, suicide etc.

I am basing all this on my own experience. I was hospitalized during an LSD cannabis psychotic break back in my teens. I wont bother trying to put into words how truly and literally terrorizing the experience was. Nobody deserves to go through that so when I can I try to warn people who are obviously going down the same road I did when I was younger. I treated dangerous psychedelic substances and my own mind as if they were mere toys.

They can get very very real!

I thought all the same type of things as you "cant overdose" and "I want the ultimate experience" and all that type of stuff.

Well you honestly can overdose and be careful what you wish for with regards to the ultimate experience!

At the very least prepare to meet with pennywise!


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: wolf8312]
    #21899449 - 07/05/15 01:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh god if its anything like DMT that would be bad it lasts 8 hours at high doses and there's no telling what the maios would do.

I cant take long DMT trips I don't like the feeling I get when its coming on its something like my head's splitting open then its all noisy... I just want to push my mind as far as it can go just to see what happens. But its like hunter s thompson said that there is no honest way to explain the edge because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over.

I kinda want to go overboard its been too long since I coped with real insanity during a trip DMT is great but its not as fun as having to battle your sanity I feel like im mostly sober on DMT its just very visual, however I love when I go bonkers its amazing. But DMT is much more serious than anything I have encountered and I don't use it for the same reason as anything else.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25] * 1
    #21899485 - 07/05/15 01:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Psilocin is very similar to DMT, only a molecule difference, and so high doses of psilocybin and (most likely)4-Aco-DMT are very similar to it. Also if you're really gonna go through with it, have a trip sitter.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25] * 3
    #21899505 - 07/05/15 02:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Please, please, PLEASE don't take that much 4-aco-dmt. This is a very bad idea for a large number of reasons. First of all, the last thing we need on the news is some kid who took too much 4-aco-dmt and ended up in the hospital. With 4-aco-dmt's name right at the top of the article. Don't do that.

Second of all, you WILL end up in the hospital (one way or another) at that dose. The guy who took 500mg was in the hospital for something like 2 or 3 days. Someone will call an ambulance on you eventually, or you'll be arrested and taken to the hospital for something stupid like rambling naked incoherently in a neighbor's yard.

Third, you'll be lucky if you end up in the hospital without doing anything that broke the law. You'll probably end up facing charges afterwards. Public indecency, public intoxication, vandalism, possession, distribution, these things happen.

Fourth, you're not going to remember 99% of it. It would be like a benzo blackout, but worse. The guy who took 500mg couldn't remember 90% of it, and you propose to double that dose even though the effects increase exponentially with dose.

On doses that high you will completely lose contact with the real world and be unable to even eat for extended periods of time.

Do you want your parents to see you on a hospital bed drooling and rambling incoherently unable to recognize them or even see what's going on around you? Do you want 4-aco-dmt in the news for causing an overdose? Don't fucking do this.




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YES, IT MAY KILL YOU. It could very well lethal at that dose. Just don't fucking do it.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: nooneman] * 1
    #21899656 - 07/05/15 04:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Please, please, PLEASE don't take that much 4-aco-dmt. This is a very bad idea for a large number of reasons. First of all, the last thing we need on the news is some kid who took too much 4-aco-dmt and ended up in the hospital. With 4-aco-dmt's name right at the top of the article. Don't do that.

Second of all, you WILL end up in the hospital (one way or another) at that dose. The guy who took 500mg was in the hospital for something like 2 or 3 days. Someone will call an ambulance on you eventually, or you'll be arrested and taken to the hospital for something stupid like rambling naked incoherently in a neighbor's yard.

Third, you'll be lucky if you end up in the hospital without doing anything that broke the law. You'll probably end up facing charges afterwards. Public indecency, public intoxication, vandalism, possession, distribution, these things happen.

Fourth, you're not going to remember 99% of it. It would be like a benzo blackout, but worse. The guy who took 500mg couldn't remember 90% of it, and you propose to double that dose even though the effects increase exponentially with dose.

On doses that high you will completely lose contact with the real world and be unable to even eat for extended periods of time.

Do you want your parents to see you on a hospital bed drooling and rambling incoherently unable to recognize them or even see what's going on around you? Do you want 4-aco-dmt in the news for causing an overdose? Don't fucking do this.




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YES, IT MAY KILL YOU. It could very well lethal at that dose. Just don't fucking do it.






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This is a seriously retarded idea and if you go through with it then you will either die or ruin your life.  35mg of 4-ACO-DMT is a hell of a trip (in a good way but still extremely intense) so why do you feel the need to do 28 times that at once? 

Have you ever even done 4-ACO-DMT before at all?  If so, how much did you do then? 

I know dosage advice isn't allowed for RC's but my advice is to do far, far less than what you're idiotically proposing.  If I was a mod I'd delete this thread and stomp out anyone else that proposes to do such an irresponsible dose.  No good will come of this if you go through with it, so don't do it.


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21899773 - 07/05/15 05:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Never tried or have any experience with  4-Aco-DMT but if its the synthetic version of mushrooms I think it would be a waste to attempt that much. I don't think a trip is a linear graph line in the more you take the more spaced you get, a point of saturation is reached the rest excreted.

I like to push the boundaries, I never had a problem with freak out trips while many around me did . I tried a whole load of shrooms fresh, some dried and a handful of frozen fresh at the same time.I also had Caapi root super concentrated using a soxhlet extractor with Syrian rue with sliced ginger root.

My thought patterns were like being in a washing machine on fast spin, nothing to hold on to and gain insight just a fast and furious fucked.
In comparison my DMT Psychotria and Caapi root ayahuasca experience was so clean, clear and insightful. I think the MAOIs had a detrimental effect on the shrooms personally in the way they made me feel nauseas and despite my best efforts eventually being sick although I had managed to last long enough that hardly anything came up. All fun...


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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: thewanderer25] * 1
    #21899815 - 07/05/15 06:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have no respect for anyone who would even consider this.  You will get nothing out of it except legal entanglements and or/amnesia (at best) and serious health issues or even death (step out in traffic, fall off balcony, etc.) at worst.  Toxicity aside, you could die in any of a thousand ways while that out of it.

You can say  :hi: to any future job or relationship after that.  Or even lose your freedom (arrested and convicted...bye, bye!)

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21899841 - 07/05/15 06:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The acetoxy group at position 4 is said to be metabolised into a hydroxy group in vivo, so you go from 4-aco-DMT to 4-HO-DMT (Psilocin)
Just like 4-PHOSPHORLOXY-DMT (psilocybin) has its phosphorloxy group metabalised into a hydroxy group in vivo.

Psilocybin is a pro-drug, meaning its inactive, it must be metabolized into the active compound. So inactive psilocybin goes in and active psilocin results.

With 4-ACO-DMT there's speculation that the 4-aco-state BEGINS active, and is metabolized into another active state 4-ho-DMT (psilocin)

A big difference between psilocybin and 4-ACO-DMT is human use.

Just thought these things should be said.

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21899850 - 07/05/15 06:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It reminds me of N-acetyl-LSD, the acetyl group at nitrogen 1 gets metabolized into a hydrogen atom, so you go from n-acetyl-LSD to LSD in vivo.

Same with psilocybin and its phosphorloxy group being metabalized into a hydroxy group at position 4 in vivo.

And same goes with 4-aco-DMT, the acetoxy group is metabolized into a hydroxy at position 4.

Fascinating stuff....

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21899859 - 07/05/15 06:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Just in case nobody has said this, DO NOT mix an MAOI with 4-aco-DMT or psilocin unless your ready  for a long intense experiance, very little of which will be in your control.

You will end up like Dennis mckenna in "true hallucinations" during the experiment at LaChoerra.

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Re: Taking insane amounts of 4-Aco-DMT. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21899892 - 07/05/15 07:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I sure hope the mods nuke this thread and give him a stern talking to, this shit is not a joke at all and is likely to cause untold grief or tragedy.  Seriously, I would consider 50mg to be a very high dose, more than I could probably handle since I think 35mg is plenty.  1,000 mg is just plain suicide or permanent mental injury.


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