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Re: Proud to be an American, [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21900737 - 07/05/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

well, then we could just build a new one eventually and stake our ultimate revenge for their ultimatum to eventually come and attack us, given our lack of Ecshaton-sustaining bombs.


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Re: Proud to be an American, [Re: Adolin]
    #21900879 - 07/05/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Gresh said:
by, uh, saving several million of lives?

i kow its a cold thought, but its also a fact. Japan was ready to fight tooth and nail, till the end. that is until the bombs fell




You still don't get it.

No surprise I guess.

A cold fact would be that living conditions for human life (or any) will be non-existant due to radioactivity.

Fire away, fuck yourselves over :rofl2:


Edited by Beanhead (07/05/15 12:50 PM)


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Re: Proud to be an American, [Re: Beanhead]
    #21900893 - 07/05/15 12:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Beanhead said:
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Gresh said:
by, uh, saving several million of lives?

i kow its a cold thought, but its also a fact. Japan was ready to fight tooth and nail, till the end. that is until the bombs fell




You still don't get it.

No surprise I guess.





what exactly don't i get? you keep replying with these short, vague, and condescending answers that dont actually add anything, you just keep saying i'm wrong, without explaing why

are you saying that it would have been more beneficial to let the war go on and on, in order to reduce world population even further?


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Re: Proud to be an American, [Re: Adolin]
    #21900903 - 07/05/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No I just hate repeating myself.

You can perceive that how you like.


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Re: Proud to be an American, [Re: Beanhead]
    #21900909 - 07/05/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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A cold fact would be that living conditions for human life (or any) will be non-existant due to radioactivity.

Fire away, fuck yourselves over :rofl2:





if that is true, why are Hiroshima and Nagasaki still bustling citys, with a way higher population than before the bomb?

neither of the bomb sites are radioactive any more, they are perfectly safe places to live


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Re: Proud to be an American, [Re: Beanhead]
    #21900913 - 07/05/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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No I just hate repeating myself.

You can perceive that how you like.





if you keep picking the same arguement, you're gonna have to repeat yourself


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Re: Proud to be an American, [Re: Adolin]
    #21900919 - 07/05/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:strokebeard: Nice.



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Re: Proud to be an American, [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21900932 - 07/05/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I am half Dutch, first generation on my mother's side and I feel intimately connected with my Dutch heritage. That Zwarte Piet shit does not fly in America and there is a good reason for that. It shows that the supposedly ultra tolerant Dutch are fronting just a little bit. my mom agrees with me on this. We would celebrate Sinterklaas as a family when I was little and she would always cringe when Zwarte Piet showed up. I came by my views honestly.


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Re: Proud to be an American, [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #21900946 - 07/05/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

A little?


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Re: Proud to be an American, [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21900999 - 07/05/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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the supposedly ultra tolerant Dutch




That ended when the 90s began. Holland has been declining every single year since.

I'm a disgruntled dutchman. We had it so good and the politicians and Big Money destroyed that. Its as beautiful a country as its ever been, the fields, forests and rivers, but the social climate is all fucked.

If I should get my finances fixed or win the lottery I probably will live abroad for most of the year, like my father and brother. Its no longer the country I loved so much, the people have become petty bitches.

Think you can troll me by talking smack about my country? I'm apatriotic. Maybe the future will be good but the present has been shit here for 25 years. Time for a Yang cause Holland is Yin as fuck.


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Re: Proud to be an American, [Re: Asante]
    #21901052 - 07/05/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Someone had to do it.





To be clear, I am not anti-american. I am critical of some things American but not America itself. To call me antiamerican is to call someone who condemns the treatment by Israel of the Palestinians, Antisemitic.

No, its more nuanced than that.


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Re: Proud to be an American, [Re: Asante] * 1
    #21901103 - 07/05/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

God bless our homeland. Fucking a the 4th is my favorite holiday.


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Re: Proud to be an American, [Re: Enjoywho]
    #21901123 - 07/05/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Did you light fireworks?


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Re: Proud to be an American, [Re: Asante] * 1
    #21901133 - 07/05/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Asante said:
Someone had to do it.





To be clear, I am not anti-american. I am critical of some things American but not America itself. To call me antiamerican is to call someone who condemns the treatment by Israel of the Palestinians, Antisemitic.

No, its more nuanced than that.




Your views can be as nuanced as you please, it won't make it right for you to speak of a new civil war in America. You know that ancestral trauma is a real thing, so you should accept that the civil war is not a part of yours and so you cannot fathom the reactions of Americans to such an obscene notion as reiterating that trauma. I honestly find this line of talk extremely offensive to Americans and I would really like it if you just dropped it and couched your apocalyptic visions a bit closer to home.


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Re: Proud to be an American, [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21901153 - 07/05/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:thisisgonnabegood:


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Re: Proud to be an American, [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #21901166 - 07/05/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Free speech :sun:


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Re: Proud to be an American, [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21901200 - 07/05/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

Asante said:
Someone had to do it.





To be clear, I am not anti-american. I am critical of some things American but not America itself. To call me antiamerican is to call someone who condemns the treatment by Israel of the Palestinians, Antisemitic.

No, its more nuanced than that.




Your views can be as nuanced as you please, it won't make it right for you to speak of a new civil war in America. You know that ancestral trauma is a real thing, so you should accept that the civil war is not a part of yours and so you cannot fathom the reactions of Americans to such an obscene notion as reiterating that trauma. I honestly find this line of talk extremely offensive to Americans and I would really like it if you just dropped it and couched your apocalyptic visions a bit closer to home.



I don't even know who the fuck he thinks is going to be fighting.  Does he expect a race war?  Well that will settle the race problem.  His country is being invaded by Muslim lunatic fascists and I suspect that he objects to the people who object to that.


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Re: Proud to be an American, [Re: Beanhead]
    #21901297 - 07/05/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

BlindSophist said:
I'll tell you what's being done, white Dutch people are dismissing the legitimate complaints of minority Dutch citizens as insubstantial and immature.




I think it's funny people get offended when their ingrained cultural traditions are attacked.





like this?




or like this?



Quote:


To be fair I find someone very rude to let an old man do all the work, hence these "chimneysweepers" are not offensive to me.





so you're saying they're do nothing while the old white man works. that's racist


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Re: Proud to be an American, [Re: lowbrow]
    #21901310 - 07/05/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The fuck are you acting so surprised for. This is the country whose idea of Christmas somehow involves an elaborate minstrel show.



Asante himself has actively denied the offensiveness of this imagery. Think about that.





Leave Zwarte Pete out of this.  That's Dutch heritage.




yes... it's heritage



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Re: Proud to be an American, [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21901364 - 07/05/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

What I said in that thread was:

Quote:

Asante said:
Zwarte Piet..

Zwarte Piet unquestionably represents an African, in a stereotypical manner. Any arguments that he doesnt is just disingenious.

I believe there should be a serious national debate between the Ayes and the Nays whether they want to continue the tradition as it is, or perhaps amend it. Extra care should be taken in hearing the opinion of the children, because its THEIR celebration, grownups just facilitate.

Zwarte Piet in the current celebration has a positive role, he is beloved now where he used to be feared as a kinderschrik in the old way of celebration. The old way was wrong, the new way, not inherently so.

Its grossly stereotypical but not inherently racist I think. I'm in favor of upholding the tradition and using it as a platform to educate on the evils of racism, unless opposition is too compelling.




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Added:

Zwarte Piet in the current celebration has a positive role, he is beloved now where he used to be feared as a kinderschrik in the old way of celebration. The old way was wrong, the new way, not inherently so.

It still teaches racially stereotypical lessons though, so a debate and decision is necessary.

I wish people were as sophisticated as to have a serious debate, its mostly one side screaming their indignation about disrupting a tradition with no regard to racioal sensitivities and the other side screaming their indignation regarding racial sensitivities without regard to interruption of a tradition. 

Both sides arer important.  It can be something better for all, something that heals instead of divides.




I have come around from that moderate point of view and now I actively campaign against Zwarte Piet online and off in the appropriate season.

I urge people on either side of the divide to choose for a changed celebration that deracializes the situation.

The children wouldnt mind non racist Zwarte Piet, in fact I'm sure they'd wouldnt want him to be a black charicature if they knew the consequences, its the adult white Dutch population which sucks extremely hard regarding this topic, meeting it with aggression, dishonesty and ignorance.


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