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Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical?
    #21898098 - 07/04/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I find that mushrooms are the most magical of all drugs. Not psilocybin actually but aminita muscaria are king when it comes to this but psilocybin is a close second.

By magical I mean the experience feels magical and you can gain powers over your reality from eating them. Its hard to explain exactly what I mean but mushrooms are the only drug that have given me this magical feeling i dont get it with LSD or cactus.

I also think its interesting that both psilocybin mushrooms and aminita muscaria mushrooms cause this, and actually feel very similar in some other ways as well, even though they are not the least bit chemically related.

Do you guys think it is possible that they are similar because they are both mushrooms? My theory is that when you eat psychoactive mushrooms you get a little taste of mushroom consciousness and of course all mushrooms, being mushrooms, have a similar consciousness even if they are different species.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Deviate]
    #21898112 - 07/04/15 07:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Lol aminata's and other psilocybin species both have psylocin (which is where the magic comes from) just different amounts. Yes they are magical as fuck. But don't rely on intuition to tell you what mushrooms do. They are way to complicated to do that. Do some research. The rabbit hole is dealer then you could possibly fathom :smile:


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: alised] * 1
    #21898120 - 07/04/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Amanita's are not Psilocybe species. They're Amanita species. They don't contain Psilocybin or Psilocin. They contain muscimol and ibotenic acid. You could do with some research too :wink:


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Signeg]
    #21898124 - 07/04/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Amanita's are not Psilocybe species they are Amanita species. They don't contain psilocybin. They contain muscimol and ibotenic acid. You could do with some research too :wink:



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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: HardTrippin]
    #21898171 - 07/04/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I was never a fan of amanitas. I've had like one good experience and about 4 shitty ones. The typical experience on amanitas for me ends with me sweating like crazy just feeling uncomfortable. And signeg is right psilocybin  and amanitas are two VERY different things. And the effects are nothing alike for me. I mean I would take psilocybin mushies any day, but you'd have to pay me to get me to eat amanita ever again lol.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: HardTrippin]
    #21898280 - 07/04/15 07:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Amanita's are not Psilocybe species they are Amanita species. They don't contain psilocybin. They contain muscimol and ibotenic acid. You could do with some research too :wink:



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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #21898299 - 07/04/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I was never a fan of amanitas. I've had like one good experience and about 4 shitty ones. The typical experience on amanitas for me ends with me sweating like crazy just feeling uncomfortable. And signeg is right psilocybin  and amanitas are two VERY different things. And the effects are nothing alike for me. I mean I would take psilocybin mushies any day, but you'd have to pay me to get me to eat amanita ever again lol.




Well I don't want to derail this thread into another discussion about aminitas but your experience is fairly common although totally remediable in my opinion.

If they make you sweating and uncomfortable, chances are you have taken too high a dose and/or your body isn't accustomed to aminitas. I experienced the same thing the first time I ate aminitas also, but after taking them every day for a while those unpleasant effects diminished.

Now, if you are wanting to trip out on aminitas like you do with psilos then yes, you are probably going to get the sweating and uncomfortable feelings. But tripping out is only one of the things you can do with aminitas (where it is about the only thing you can do with psilocybin).

I like to take low doses of aminita. Low doses are an effective painkiller and euphoriant. Frequent low dosing helps you to connect with the spirit world and dissolve into the great I AM. So they are mainly a spiritual tool rather than a recreational drug like psilocybin. If you are not interested in spirituality, I would not recommend aminitas, but if you are I highly suggest giving them another look. Psilos and aminitas are yin and yang. Spiritually speaking, there is nothing more powerful than aminitas.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Deviate]
    #21898363 - 07/04/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I tried amanita once--I had some dry pieces that I got online. I made a tea of them. The tea tasted every bit as bad as P. Cubenses tea. A half hour after drinking the tea, I threw up. After that there was a mild high. I have no desire for a repeat vist from the red mushroom. You have been luckier. Good.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Deviate]
    #21898385 - 07/04/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Magic mushrooms have an ancient history of religious use. To say magic mushrooms are just for tripping is way off. I use psilocybin to open my mind to new ways of thinking. But yea I mainly tried amanita for similar reasons. I gave it several chances, but the only time I had a good experience was the first time I took them. I ate a full oz of African A. The next few times I tried Washington A++ (this one was the most unpleasant out of all of the ones I tried) and I tried some other random one that started with a P. Oddly enough the African strain was the only one I took a massive dose of. Washington A++ I recall taking about 8g doses and still having a horrible experience.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #21898430 - 07/04/15 08:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

yeah 8 grams is way too much, go with 2-3 grams and meditate in nature. Smoke some weed once you enter the third stage of the experience.

And I know that psilocybin has a long history of religious use, but you must also admit its a rockin' good time. Aminitas are not like that. You have to understand what the mushroom is doing to your consciousness, in order to extract the benefits. You dont just eat it and have a great experience like psilocybin. It takes some effort.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Deviate]
    #21898463 - 07/04/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

@OP
Frequent dosing of any drug helps you connect with the spirit world

Daily weed does it, smoke skunk , the shaman's favorite


But not everyone is a shaman, not everyone can safely connect daily to the spirit world

The spirit takes over that person who tries, that's why people get psychoses and see faces or get demonic thoughts


I would much rather lucid dream, at least then I can know I am in balance, than if I get drunk everyday on fly agaric/weed
In lucid dreams I can have clear thoughts, if I smoke huge amounts of weed everyday/take fly agaric everyday , my thoughts might not be my own anymore, spirit may control my life in worst case


A person who open themselves up to the spirit world everyday opens themselves up to possession IMO

not a good thing.... , going to spirit world should only be with intent and purpose, in a sacred space I think


You can speak to spirits on alcohol too I believe, any drug can do it
it is because drugs shut off our rational mind and weaken our spiritual body/shell it seems, most drugs can give you spiritual effects/side effects


The side effects are not always good, cocaine psychosis, weed psychosis seeing demons, lsd 8 month trip or lsd manic, or mushroom manic thinking one has ultimate power and is god


The spirits will trick you into believing power is what you want

You need to be strong, but you don't need power or magic abilities - those are usually trickster spirits that want to control you by giving you abilities - take this drug and you will see God, but then your god was this spirit  that now got your soul


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Deviate]
    #21898491 - 07/04/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I tried amanita once--I had some dry pieces that I got online. I made a tea of them. The tea tasted every bit as bad as P. Cubenses tea. A half hour after drinking the tea, I threw up. After that there was a mild high. I have no desire for a repeat vist from the red mushroom. You have been luckier. Good.



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yeah 8 grams is way too much, go with 2-3 grams and meditate in nature. Smoke some weed once you enter the third stage of the experience.

And I know that psilocybin has a long history of religious use, but you must also admit its a rockin' good time. Aminitas are not like that. You have to understand what the mushroom is doing to your consciousness, in order to extract the benefits. You dont just eat it and have a great experience like psilocybin. It takes some effort.



Ah I see what you're saying now. I might try amanitas again in the distant future, but for now I'm staying away from em. And as for the dose I took I was mainly going off the fact I ate an oz of a weaker strain. I didn't realize how drastic the jump was from A to A++ until it was too late :P.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Deviate] * 1
    #21898506 - 07/04/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Signeg]
    #21898526 - 07/04/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe if there were more good fly agaric trip reports speaking for spiritual benefits then more would try it out

Most I've read speak about drinking ones own urine, I'm sure that is very spiritual ?;-)


You can be spiritual right now, with no drug
If you think you need a drug to be spiritual, you have already gotten off the path


The drug may give you a  spiritual experience, if you treat it right, but you can get there without too

Fast,meditate,prayer


I often see people speak about how they can only get there with their drug, so now the drug has control over their mind, they want to 'see fancy stuff' else they don't feel themselves or spiritual at all.

There is more to spirituality than seeing, i.e. the greater I am you mention
that is knowing, very mental


You can connect with it at any time, crystals and closing your eyes, or if you have an intention
the best intention is serving others, then the greater I am is your friend at any time, no drugs needed


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21898542 - 07/04/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:huxleyfacepalm:


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21898560 - 07/04/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

A good christian thing is to serve others without expecting anything in return

Serve god without expecting to see god



Psychedelics can certainly be helpful if carefully respected, without respect they may be harmful though (daily use seems irresponsible to me)


Man wasn't satisfied with being in heaven, man wanted ultimate knowledge, man wanted to see
Man saw he was naked


And today man often wants to see what other's see (kundalini!! - serpent snake stuff gives you great POWER)

Refrain from wanting power, because it is often bad for us


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21898573 - 07/04/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:crazyeyes:



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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Signeg]
    #21898616 - 07/04/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Signeg]
    #21898673 - 07/04/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There may be truths in the bible, I don't really read it, but I remember what I read once many years ago , and use what fits my experience

It has many valuable lessons, just like the buddhist story

Of course a christian can be equally enlightened as a non-believer

It is not your faith that prevents you from being enlightened, or going towards enlightenment

It is usually the self that prevents you



We always seem to get the Believers vs Non-believers, Party X vs Party Y, Science vs Religion etc.
There is no separation with true spirituality, with truth


Truth doesn't separate people

You realize you know nothing, but maybe part of you knows something - your intuition i.e. you can maybe chose to trust, and your experience
But you never set yourself before others, you see yourself in others


Maybe the christians you speak about could be right, that drugs are often bad?


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21898756 - 07/04/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think there's something magical about psychedelics in general. Actually, a better term would be "fascinating". Or Mind blowing. I'm sure there's a perfect term but I can't think of it.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21898843 - 07/04/15 10:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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There may be truths in the bible, I don't really read it, but I remember what I read once many years ago , and use what fits my experience

It has many valuable lessons, just like the buddhist story

Of course a christian can be equally enlightened as a non-believer

It is not your faith that prevents you from being enlightened, or going towards enlightenment

It is usually the self that prevents you



We always seem to get the Believers vs Non-believers, Party X vs Party Y, Science vs Religion etc.
There is no separation with true spirituality, with truth


Truth doesn't separate people

You realize you know nothing, but maybe part of you knows something - your intuition i.e. you can maybe chose to trust, and your experience
But you never set yourself before others, you see yourself in others


Maybe the christians you speak about could be right, that drugs are often bad?




You don't read the book your religious beliefs revolve around? :stoned:


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #21898953 - 07/04/15 10:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:huxleyfacepalm:


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Signeg]
    #21899328 - 07/05/15 12:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Magic is real. We're just in a weird age. Yes, mushrooms are a magical realm, literally.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Signeg]
    #21899336 - 07/05/15 12:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So because i don't believe in jesus i'm not a non believer?. I consider myself gnostic. I just dont believe in christianity as a belief, it's only myth not history...
I have nothing against christians but i don't trust religions. It's not teaching spirituality, only you can teach yourself that. Just like all spiritual things. You can learn morality by going inside yourself and learning what is right and wrong based on your intentions and perception of reality. If you are aware of consciousness then this should come naturally. You will take much more valuable lessons this way.




There are gnostic churches which are very similar in practice to more mainstream Christian churchs. SOme aspects of spirituality can be taught in my opinion, but also there is the power of the transmission of presence.

People often experience shfits or awakenings simply by being in the presence of a great master.

Going to church and being in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament is another way to receive the presence. Religion can work, far too many people are far too skeptical of religion in my opinion.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: circastes]
    #21899341 - 07/05/15 12:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Magic is real. We're just in a weird age. Yes, mushrooms are a magical realm, literally.




Yeah this is what I mean. I also believe magic is real but we live in a culture that has forgotten this and magic has become less real for us because it is no longer part of our consensus reality.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Deviate]
    #21899600 - 07/05/15 03:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yup, many people are too skeptical of religion

And mushrooms are no more magic than many other states of mind/reality

I like OBEs/Lucid dreaming better than LSD/mushrooms i.e., feels more real, more love too
Doesn't mean mushrooms are worthless to me, they have been very helpful but I know many other ways

Fasting is very useful too, there are plenty of ways


It's first when we expect to see fancy stuff that we fail to use our spirit, because we 'want stuff'
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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21899625 - 07/05/15 03:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Completely disagree with this whole thread, What you people talking about magic? I'd say the psychedelic experience is easily explained. You underestimate the significance and power of the human brain. The magic is that the brain has evolved to actually present the world we see around us today. We can use drugs to force the brain to present a whole new reality around us as we alter important sensory/emotional chemical messengers.

It would be amazing if a psychedelic drug caused us to see different frequency radiation, gamma rays or radio waves.. but no we are still stuck in the 300THz range between red and violet... but in a less organised way. Id almost say the sober reality produced by the brain is more magical than the scrambled one. It has been designed for this planet over thousands of years.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: satch1234]
    #21900202 - 07/05/15 09:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Magic is from realizing you know nothing

Unfotunately science rarely realizes this, therefore they experience no magic


A philosopher might realize it, else he would be a bad philosopher. You cannot understand the mind and think you know.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21900210 - 07/05/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you've ever eaten a good dose of magic mushrooms and went on a nature walk you would understand this use of the term "magic". The feeling + visuals is just magical. But obviously this is just an adjective that adequately describes the experience. We aren't saying the mushrooms are actually some wizardry or something lol.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #21900610 - 07/05/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

They do feel magical definitely :smile:


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21901329 - 07/05/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:bigyesnod:

:mindblown:

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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: satch1234]
    #21901881 - 07/05/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Completely disagree with this whole thread, What you people talking about magic? I'd say the psychedelic experience is easily explained. You underestimate the significance and power of the human brain. The magic is that the brain has evolved to actually present the world we see around us today. We can use drugs to force the brain to present a whole new reality around us as we alter important sensory/emotional chemical messengers.

It would be amazing if a psychedelic drug caused us to see different frequency radiation, gamma rays or radio waves.. but no we are still stuck in the 300THz range between red and violet... but in a less organised way. Id almost say the sober reality produced by the brain is more magical than the scrambled one. It has been designed for this planet over thousands of years.






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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21903294 - 07/05/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

mushrooms tie you into reality in a way I can't even describe

it's like we're in a dream, and then when you take shrooms.. that dream becomes lucid, like you actually get control of it

it's mesmerizing it really is, and unexplainable


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: cube talk]
    #21903323 - 07/05/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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mushrooms tie you into reality in a way I can't even describe

it's like we're in a dream, and then when you take shrooms.. that dream becomes lucid, like you actually get control of it

it's mesmerizing it really is, and unexplainable




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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: cube talk]
    #21903813 - 07/06/15 01:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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mushrooms tie you into reality in a way I can't even describe

it's like we're in a dream, and then when you take shrooms.. that dream becomes lucid, like you actually get control of it

it's mesmerizing it really is, and unexplainable



Free your mind
Free your soul

But yes it's very much like a lucid dream, and it actually has many similarities with it it seems

NDEs, OBEs, awakening in reality to a greater reality etc.

Will also make you question everything like LDs because it can often seem more real than this reality

Yet LDs/OBEs feel even more real than psychedelics always, because they give you more control
Either you run from your fear there/die from your fear , or you master your reality


With psychedelics it is possible to run from your fear for 8-12 hours, bad trip

It's possible in a lucid dream too

It's like a looking glass into your mind, conscious self reflection
you should only look so deep as you are ready to look, because self reflection can be scarring both in LDs and with psychedelics for most people

LDs can make people insane in worst case or master their reality
Mushrooms the same

Apparently it is not random who gets good at it, happens from birth it seems..

People LD from birth and are really great at it when 4 years old, then they forget

Same with psychedelics, they are often better at them when young, then they forget when old, think the experience is all about thinking - sure that's a new experience
But the real creativity, the real connection can only be felt not rationalized, just like in lucid dreams

It is beyond rational mind


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21903818 - 07/06/15 01:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Beyond our need for control, works best when not needing control


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    #21903917 - 07/06/15 03:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think we should agree to disagree. What you experienced and what others did isn't the same. Unless you're connected to the collective consciousness then it could be similar.

Psychedelics are true spiritual experiences. If you can't interpret it properly, it's because you have too much else going on in your head. Reality has nothing to do with anything you're talking about IMO.


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    #21903923 - 07/06/15 03:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My advice is to throw yourself as deep as you can go(not in a stupid way)... Then learn to interpret what you've actually experienced. That is how you become aware of other "realities" and consciousness. It's not the experience that's scarring. It's actually reality, which you're not seeing clearly. It's actually a healing experience as you're deconditioning yourself from the EGO. It is your fear of losing this false identity which is holding you back.

We are all here to learn and to grow. To do that spiritually you have to overcome these things, as it's part of your experience. You talked about only going as deep as you're ready to go. But then you talk about things which you haven't yet experienced. It makes no sense really. But you are right that you can only experience what you are ready to experience, that depends on how far along your path you have come. There is also a point where over-thinking might be necessary for you to solve your problems and re build your perception based on your new understanding.

There is no guide for a true spiritual experience. And so we can only learn by going back to the start and teaching ourself. This can also require a lot of thinking. Not thinking can be dangerous also in meditation techniques. Like you said its dangerous to go where you aren't ready. And for someone to have no thoughts, most people aren't ready for this, as that only comes further in your experience when you have overcome all these other things. It would almost be like pure ignorance to the un initiated. As i think it was Terence Mckenna said, Those older cultures are way ahead of us western cultures and we still have a lot more to learn first. We have to find our own way.

And that is also why i said education can be dangerous before enlightenment.


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    #21903962 - 07/06/15 03:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I think we should agree to disagree. What you experienced and what others did isn't the same. Unless you're connected to the collective consciousness then it could be similar.

Psychedelics are true spiritual experiences. If you can't interpret it properly, it's because you have too much else going on in your head. Reality has nothing to do with anything you're talking about IMO.




Are you reading what I wrote?

You seem to answer to something completely different..

I wrote they can be a spiritual experience, but not everyone is ready to go the full depth

Just like they aren't with LDs, only the few go the full depth and come out intact

Spirituality is our nature, but it certainly isn't for all in this lifetime

If you think it is for all, think again, not all is ready to be deconditioned, thinking so could be a fools mans game
Know your mind..

That's also one reason I don't give psychedelics out to strangers, except those that seek them, I don't go preaching them to others

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    #21903963 - 07/06/15 03:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No i definitely agree with you there :thumbup:

And sorry if i came off rude. Not my intention :smile:


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    #21904002 - 07/06/15 04:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Psychedelics absolutely can decondition all learnt notions, ideas and perspectives. An absolute rebirth and recognition of your true position within the universe can be achieved, you feel as you did before cultural conditioning and moulding, and can re evaluate your positioning and choices accordingly. Fuckin pure ecstasy in the moment.

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    #21904024 - 07/06/15 04:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Psychedelics absolutely can decondition all learnt notions, ideas and perspectives. An absolute rebirth and recognition of your true position within the universe can be achieved, you feel as you did before cultural conditioning and moulding, and can re evaluate your positioning and choices accordingly. Fuckin pure ecstasy in the moment.

I just don't think psychs cause transcendental effects.




How can you think the former without thinking the latter?

Transcendence would almost be the definition of complete deconditioning...


A mind without notions is a free mind
That is ultimate liberation , realizing your soul essence , if you can format the mind

That also means transcendence temporarily it seems, but if the person is not ready he will be back to former self next day


Transcendence to me means a clear mind without notions
Anybody can "get there" if they take psychedelics without other drugs, reach formatted brain

But the transcendence doesn't stay with them, unless ready


You gotta build your base foundation first like one said..


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    #21904026 - 07/06/15 04:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

But then there is also the other issue, you may not reach transcendence even if you take a huge dose to "format the brain"

You may reach apathy, hold onto the ego, get crazy instead


There is just no guarantee... whatever happens seems destined in many cases, looks like we got the mind we got from birth, and some got a defect that prevents them from freeing their mind, while others are free from birth all their life - no problems


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    #21904028 - 07/06/15 04:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think we all have a lot to re learn. There is a way. But theres a long way to go...


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    #21904037 - 07/06/15 05:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

cubes yes very much so cant say ive had the pleasure omm aminitas


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    #21904040 - 07/06/15 05:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't believe any of us are here by coincidence, believe 100% in fate, purpose and destiny

Psychedelics can help us shred the outer layers of the ego mind, the lies we put on to fit in with others

They often do it forcefully, so not so pleasant, not everyone is ready

We're all here to learn and we have to learn all our lives, transcendence definitely seems possible (enlightenment) in certain states, but I wouldn't count on drugs to supply them
But on the other hand, any experience can be equally worthwhile depending on the mindset of the person

Mind is all after all...

You can have a transcending experience on Heroin if you got the right mindset


The right mindset is usually to let go of all wantings
When we shred all our layers we reach the core layer, our inner child, then we need to reinstall our software/operating system

Noone gets to transcendence fully, it's very temporary usually

You may get there for 2mins in nature after hours of meditation, or for 30 seconds on psychedelics


What is important is what it ment to you, and to learn from it, bring it back and build upon it

So in the end, we probably need to abandon the notion that psychedelics are magical, they are as magical as any nice experience
Weed can be magical too, but in the end it's still a drug - I have had a few nights of laughing on that

Monday morning you are back to reality, no further than when you went in
Drugs distort our perception of ourself and others and make us think we are enlightened, but in reality we just got further off the path than before often. Thinking one is already there is usually getting off the path.

You can get peace at any time, feel fulfillment in your soul at any time

But enlightenment at any time is very hard to reach, it means being humble, loving, kind in any situation

Psychedelics don't build our base, we have to ourselves, the strip us of our base and that may make us childish/naive at times

The most useful thing about them is the ability to format the conditioned brain, can be very useful to certain people that need a 'brain reset'
Often the brain gets stuck after living as its thoughts all life, and these drugs are very good here sometimes


But I agree with previous poster, transcendence is a long way for us all usually, it's a lifelong path
Transcendence and enlightenment are often misused words too that may carry a negative notation with them, but all depends on the viewer of course. Eckhart Tolle often got called an egoistical asshole for naming his book guide to enlightenment, but he didn't think the title sounded selfish ;-P

He apparently had abandoned what others thought of him as important, only what he thought himself and did himself for the world was important


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21904259 - 07/06/15 07:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

To me, both Psilos and Amanitas, are very powerfull magical tools. :thumbup:

While Psilos penetrate you with flashes of insight, beyond words hardly to keep in mind. ..Amanitas are more like one straight vision. A powerfull emotional realization on the topic you think about. Less frantic but much warmer.

High doses are hard to manage, though, and can get really crazy with both. :rocket:

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    #21905048 - 07/06/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

lessismore you really need to take the advice of your name

your posting often looks like rambling from an insane person, that's what I'm seeing


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    #21905545 - 07/06/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yes I look back when I was dosing heavy all the time, especially tryptamines, god dam was I going crazy. Suffered socially for sure. DMT can really be compared to other freebase drugs, but the hit is not omg I feel so fuckin good! it's omg this feels so fuckin spiritual! I think the worse drugs can be the ones that make you think they are actually benefiting you. So you keep repeating them guilt free. Then you look back years later and cringe.

The other worldly feeling the psilo and Dmt bring can actually be found in many synthetic tryptamines, and is apparently apart of the drug chemistry the causes the feeling of presence.

Sure trippings great and I do it regularly for recreation, but take it lightly with a grain of salt.

Some of the ramblings here are concerning. You don't want to destroy yourself over and over, why, to what end? So you can ramble about the nature of consciousness, is that really benefiting your species and this planet? Does it make a difference? You aint going to fly off into heaven if you eat enough psychs, you will probably come out worse off.


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    #21905612 - 07/06/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There may be more than recreational tripping, just like there may be more than recreational pharmaceuticals

That's what shamanism is all about after all

You don't have to be right with your assumptions, even if it is comforting to be right


The only problem is if we think we can only get there with a drug, that's beginning of addiction.
There is nothing wrong with having a spiritual experience on psychedelics, I've had plenty for sure, but I've also had them without. Great teachers of mind, back to nature.

Find out what it's worth for YOU, not what others say. But many people have done psychedelics through time and gotten inspired sometimes from their magic, Richard Feynmann, Albert Hofmann, the 60s hippies, Steve Jobs, Bill gates etc.

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    #21905644 - 07/06/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh yes John Lennon did LSD a 1000 times he said

One of the people who inspired me to try psychedelics, always admired his words I think/music from beatles in general

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    #21907503 - 07/06/15 09:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



Theres John Lennon talking about lsd, at the end of the video he describes how he was left weak and afraid from reading Leary and destroying his ego with the drug.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: satch1234]
    #21908522 - 07/07/15 07:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well egodeath leaves people pretty 'weak', but how do we measure weak?

I would say I was more strong as a child than I was as an adult , strongness is excessive energy, optimism, faith

Never any worries etc.


The problem is only if people are in the wrong environment when they do it it seems, I don't think egodeath would be pleasant with any kinds of friends/on a stage or whatever
Maybe ask Syd Barett about that

Egodeath makes people crazy for a while , it's not especially fun


But apparently it first makes people crazy, when they have to build into society's constructs again, before that I didn't feel crazy
Maybe it's society that is crazy ?


If you adopt crazy thoughts, materialism, education, politics systems , newspapers about violence/sex/murder etc . you're born to go crazy

so is it really the egodeath that does it, or is it just from a clear/formatted brain seeing all the evilness and destruction in the world?


Maybe that mind is about the only sane mind in the world, a person who can clear their mind fully
Won't be pleasant...

You -can- interact fine with others next day after an egodeath, but sometimes you can't
Depends a lot on the person, setting etc. - impossible to say anything about really..

I would say I felt much more free, but it was weird having 'any' interest, or 'no interests' that was specific to 'me'
No 'me' - that can be very unpleasant if your friends asks you about something..

Can scare the hell out of you too unless you got a strong mind, and I imagine that would scare people easily back then because LSD was so new...

The 'me' rebuilds over 2-3 years, but its certainly not for everyone except maybe hippies etc. that want to destroy their self

Did you know you can get egodeath everytime you meditate in nature btw?
It's not the egodeath per se that is bad for us, it's our fear of putting in new operating system it seems

Egodeath was liberation , then came the fear of fitting into the world again


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21908560 - 07/07/15 07:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)



a better john lennon video, not one spreading fear

egodeath confuses people, but it's rarely dangerous


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21908675 - 07/07/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Oh yes John Lennon did LSD a 1000 times he said

One of the people who inspired me to try psychedelics, always admired his words I think/music from beatles in general

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Same here. When I started tripping in 1980 I was in the middle of a big John Lennon phase. The timing in Dec 1980 could not have been worse, I was devastated.

Anyway, I think his 1970 off-the-cuff claim of 1,000 trips is a massive exaggeration. Let's say he tripped 1,000 times between 1966 and 1970. A thousand trips in 5 years would average 200 trips a year = about 4 each week. Not even remotely possible. Even if he took the stuff, he didn't trip due to tolerance. I predict the real number is more in the double digits.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Universe]
    #21908743 - 07/07/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Haha, I've been wondering about that number too everytime I hear it ;-)

but LSD is known for making time dilations so you think you tripped 1000 times when you only tripped 10, and you think you're 1000 years old when you're still only 20 etc.

Weed does the same thing, makes people -very- high

'Ive smoked weed for 15 years , but then it was only 5-7 years'

'Ive smoked weed for a few years, but then it was only a few months'


Anyway I still like Lennon, like his words, Leary is just a  bit nutty but funny at times too
And I like Mckenna too, very down to earth and fun to listen to, many new angles and a good thinker compared to Leary - he's a bit crazy at times but in a fun way ;-P


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    #21908773 - 07/07/15 08:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

He even tripped once and thought he was Jesus Christ iirc

I wouldn't trust 1000 to be the right number then from a guy that claims he's like 5000+ years old reincarnated

At least Leary only claimed to be reincarnated I think :wink:


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    #21910114 - 07/07/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Artists can surely benefit from tripping, but if your not producing anything an just dosing up all the time, what is that good for? I don't want a world full of artist anyway. Say what you will about the modern condition but theres a reason you can go down to the supermarket and buy packaged goods, or be here on shroomery on your electronic device. Eggs must be cracked to make an omelet, life feeds on life. I sure don't want to be living in a mud hut, sitting round a campfire at night just eating mushrooms, dam that would be horrible.

Psychs are great, but some people have a crazy delusional bias view on them.  I've had many close friends that started tripping an ultimately just came out worse off. Simple task become impossible, they can't walk into a shop without being sweeped with fear. Yeah you could say there weak, need to meditate yadayada. But some people are not wired for this and they dont know until its to late.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: satch1234]
    #21910263 - 07/07/15 03:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Artists can surely benefit from tripping, but if your not producing anything an just dosing up all the time, what is that good for? I don't want a world full of artist anyway. Say what you will about the modern condition but theres a reason you can go down to the supermarket and buy packaged goods, or be here on shroomery on your electronic device. Eggs must be cracked to make an omelet, life feeds on life. I sure don't want to be living in a mud hut, sitting round a campfire at night just eating mushrooms, dam that would be horrible.

Psychs are great, but some people have a crazy delusional bias view on them.  I've had many close friends that started tripping an ultimately just came out worse off. Simple task become impossible, they can't walk into a shop without being sweeped with fear. Yeah you could say there weak, need to meditate yadayada. But some people are not wired for this and they dont know until its to late.




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    #21910738 - 07/07/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Psychedelics absolutely can decondition all learnt notions, ideas and perspectives. An absolute rebirth and recognition of your true position within the universe can be achieved, you feel as you did before cultural conditioning and moulding, and can re evaluate your positioning and choices accordingly. Fuckin pure ecstasy in the moment.

I just don't think psychs cause transcendental effects.





I totally agree with you man. I have been taking psychedelics for a while looking for transcendental affects and experiencing none.

I experience insights, oh yes, Revelation, spiritual knowledge, understanding, expanded consciousness, healing etc etc but none of this takes makes me any closer to the Self. It might makes things look and feel more like the Self but thats it, they just look and feel that way.

The only drug which I believe actually produces transcendant effects, is the aminita muscaria mushroom.


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    #21910872 - 07/07/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Maybe it's society that is crazy ?




:thumbup:

Ego-death is when the person thinks they are their ego for their whole life, they think the ego is the self. Then something changes and they lose that identity they thought they were and start seeing things in a new way. It's probably also where the duality or kundalini could begin.

Nothing stays the same. Everything is in a constant state of change. We think we are seperate from this, but that is our ignorance and denial. We're all apart of one big fractal made up of energy and vibration.
"Keep going... spiral out", as Maynard said

You can see that the negative outweighs the positive in our culture and society or our species, Which is not a positive place to grow into, and a way to keep your consciousness low. But when you become aware of it all, you can raise that positive vibration as well. It is all part of the real experience and getting out the ego or unconscious. Don't be scared of where your mind can go. Let go of your grounding of ego.


The psychedelic experience seems to be the closest connection we have to the source of consciousness. The infinite. "God"

This might be where natures consciousness lives and let's us see and find our way back to symbiotic relationship with nature and our true purpose.

The bee "just knows" its purpose, the spider knows to make its web. But what do we know? It's all because of that loss of connection to source, which directs us in the direction we are suppose to be going. Everything comes back to that disconnection. Re-connect and you will remove the clutter from your mind.

I'll leave you with this inspiring clip from Paul Stamets and the DVD that comes out this year. :sunny:


"We are the great danger. Psyche is the great danger. How important is to know something about it, but we know nothing about it.”

― C.G. Jung


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    #21912019 - 07/07/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think that mushrooms are definitely magic. Plants are constantly communicating through chemical messages with each other so why is it impossible that they try to communicate with us the only way they know how? Through chemicals. Also how is it that they have synthesized a molecule so close to our neurotransmitters? To me this proves that the plants or the earth itself understands the mammals brain. Another thing is that mycelium is the internet of plants, it is constantly exchanging information through out the plant kingdom much like our brains. Article here http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20141111-plants-have-a-hidden-internet
Mushrooms also create a hyper connected brain so if you think about it this makes our brain act like the mycelium. Article here http://www.livescience.com/48502-magic-mushrooms-change-brain-networks.html
What if the Earth is a living organism? Its a host for life much like our own bodies so who'd to say that Earth isn't alive. If thats the case whose to say that Earth isn't producing psychedelic chemicals to regulate the environment? We do that to regulate our bodies with medicines and what not. Perhaps the mushrooms are a tool to conform us to the planet and the ways of the universe. Maybe not but they're certainly magic.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: LiquidVisions]
    #21914608 - 07/08/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you want to make creation myths then check this out:

someone made psychedelics to unlock our minds, and programmed them with a program to show us
the program is often the same for many people it seems
do they just show us ourselves? , or did someone program them and hope for us to find them?
or was the human programmed? (dna is programmed and psychedelics unlock dna memories?)

the universe code allows for us to unlock each other's minds via psychedelics, to change some lives
it's another way to experience itself, to change polarity of people


so should I play god and give psychedelics to everyone I meet?
you think that's part of the program? - to allow us to change people and reality


I mean, the universe wants to experience itself in as many ways as it can usually
by changing people with psychedelics you create diversity in the universe


or you may even make the universe collapse into a singularity, if psychedelics 'remove diversity'
if psychedelics make us all one, hippies or whatever

If psychedelics remove our ego identity, then we become a singularity, humankind gets destroyed by psychedelics


bad motives behind psychedelics, or good motives?
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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21914613 - 07/08/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

A real obvious question that Psychedelics would get into my mind would be, is the ego part of humanity, or is it a virus?

who is responsible for the ego if it's a virus?


what is Human?


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21914630 - 07/08/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

apparently human is to be controlled by thoughts,emotions,desires

who created this prison?


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    #21915227 - 07/08/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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What if the Earth is a living organism? Its a host for life much like our own bodies so who'd to say that Earth isn't alive. If thats the case whose to say that Earth isn't producing psychedelic chemicals to regulate the environment? We do that to regulate our bodies with medicines and what not. Perhaps the mushrooms are a tool to conform us to the planet and the ways of the universe. Maybe not but they're certainly magic.




The earth is alive, the earth is producing psychedelic chemicals to regulate the environment, but I disagree with you in the method of regulation. Your view is very egocentric and puts human beings at the centre, the earth puts drugs here to help us? its not all about us, we are not the centre, we are a part of it all. A drug produced in a plant to discourage predators from consuming it, hence regulate the environment, is more valid in my mind than regulation through manipulation of homo sapiens psyche. Psychedelic plants have been around long before our species, what was there purpose back then? To change a ladybugs mind?


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    #21915240 - 07/08/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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apparently human is to be controlled by thoughts,emotions,desires

who created this prison?




Ahhh evolution..? Simple. Has been absolutely necessary, every part of it, to survive and get your jizz in a attractive young lass.


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    #21916102 - 07/08/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



Psychedelic is alchemy.


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    #21916117 - 07/08/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I think there's something magical about psychedelics in general. Actually, a better term would be "fascinating". Or Mind blowing. I'm sure there's a perfect term but I can't think of it.



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    #21916124 - 07/08/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:voila:


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    #21916762 - 07/08/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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apparently human is to be controlled by thoughts,emotions,desires

who created this prison?




Ahhh evolution..? Simple. Has been absolutely necessary, every part of it, to survive and get your jizz in a attractive young lass.




That depends ;-)

There is spiritual evolution too if you believe in spirituality

What is right, it's the whole science vs religion debate

Maybe both are a bit right?
Maybe even none of them are right, and we are in a illusionary world we cannot know anything about (if everything is an illusion) ? - then we got tricked


It's safe to say you gamble best by not claiming you know, than if you claim you know
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    #21917293 - 07/08/15 10:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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What if the Earth is a living organism? Its a host for life much like our own bodies so who'd to say that Earth isn't alive. If thats the case whose to say that Earth isn't producing psychedelic chemicals to regulate the environment? We do that to regulate our bodies with medicines and what not. Perhaps the mushrooms are a tool to conform us to the planet and the ways of the universe. Maybe not but they're certainly magic.




The earth is alive, the earth is producing psychedelic chemicals to regulate the environment, but I disagree with you in the method of regulation. Your view is very egocentric and puts human beings at the centre, the earth puts drugs here to help us? its not all about us, we are not the centre, we are a part of it all. A drug produced in a plant to discourage predators from consuming it, hence regulate the environment, is more valid in my mind than regulation through manipulation of homo sapiens psyche. Psychedelic plants have been around long before our species, what was there purpose back then? To change a ladybugs mind?



I don't mean the human species in general I mean all mammals. I do not think that psychedelic drugs are simply a defense mechanism. I mean all animals find psychedelics enjoyable. Why not produce a poison. Caffeine and nicotine kill bugs and so does morphine I believe. Also if in animal eats an opiate containing plant it usually gets sick and it also extremely sedating so you eat a poppy plant lay in a field and boom a lion eats you. That is regulating the environment. Not making an animal extremely euphoric. It doesn't add up to me. The fact that dmt containing plants grow around maoi containing plants is insane. If the earth is a living organism wouldn't it be super intelligent and produce chemicals that allow us to treat it better? We can't communicate with the cells in our bodies but we can create chemicals that interact with them. These are my stoned thoughts.


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    #21917640 - 07/09/15 12:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Animals get the same effects from psychedelics as humans? I think they eat different types of plants etc to the psychoactive plants that humans use. I think the psychedelics like mushrooms and DMT are definitely here for humans as well as their part in the ecosystem.


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    #21917645 - 07/09/15 12:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think mushrooms are the most spiritual psychedelic. Every trip has such meaning and depth to it that it just leaves me in awe


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    #21917727 - 07/09/15 01:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yea there's videos of dogs tripping out on some mushrooms they found. I think under one video I saw the owner said she caught the dog running of in search of the mushroom.


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    #21917859 - 07/09/15 02:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

We are more like wizards and druids than citizens and people, the world is more like a sentence or novel than particles or waves.


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    #21917898 - 07/09/15 02:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I think mushrooms are the most spiritual psychedelic. Every trip has such meaning and depth to it that it just leaves me in awe




I think it doesn't matter which psychedelic you take, I have had 100% the same trips on LSD and mushrooms

Depends more on the set,setting than the tool you use

I have even had the same meaningfulness trip from Salvia, everything is new and beautiful afterwards

It's hard to find good LSD though, most is very weak. When you find it you know LSD can be at least as good as mushrooms

There are benefits/disadvantages to each psychedelic

By thinking your fav psychedelic is most spiritual you make it more spiritual. You may even make it spiritual when it is not


To know what is spiritual we must know real spirituality first, and know advantages/disadvantages of the tool
We must try to understand our minds both on the drug and in the way we feel best without the drug

Then the real benefits/disadvantages show up , and sure it can be very magical, but there's usually a small/larger price to pay each time

As long as one is willing to pay the price it's fine, you must be able to fit a trip into your life situation

There are many situations you can't just trip in, but real spirituality you can achieve at any time

So that makes it seem like shrooms are not your full spirituality, but maybe only a subset, it may not balance ones energy fully , or even imbalance it (price to pay)


Btw I like LSD/shrooms a lot too, but they are tools with a price, both physically and mentally
I have seen both good examples of trippers and very bad examples (both LSD/mushrooms - they do the same)

When I try alternate methods I find there are many methods that offer the joy and freedom feeling that psychedelics can bring, with equally bad side effects (lucid dreaming i.e.), or meditation in nature

Usually always a small price to pay, i.e. few hours of isolation , or a day for yourself with lucid dreaming

The price is mind dependent too ;-) , may be totally worth it


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    #21917901 - 07/09/15 02:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

..Yeah... I just don't see it. Im out numbered. Ya guys win.


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    #21917928 - 07/09/15 03:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Maybe it's society that is crazy ?




:thumbup:

Ego-death is when the person thinks they are their ego for their whole life, they think the ego is the self. Then something changes and they lose that identity they thought they were and start seeing things in a new way. It's probably also where the duality or kundalini could begin.

Nothing stays the same. Everything is in a constant state of change. We think we are seperate from this, but that is our ignorance and denial. We're all apart of one big fractal made up of energy and vibration.
"Keep going... spiral out", as Maynard said

You can see that the negative outweighs the positive in our culture and society or our species, Which is not a positive place to grow into, and a way to keep your consciousness low. But when you become aware of it all, you can raise that positive vibration as well. It is all part of the real experience and getting out the ego or unconscious. Don't be scared of where your mind can go. Let go of your grounding of ego.


The psychedelic experience seems to be the closest connection we have to the source of consciousness. The infinite. "God"

This might be where natures consciousness lives and let's us see and find our way back to symbiotic relationship with nature and our true purpose.

The bee "just knows" its purpose, the spider knows to make its web. But what do we know? It's all because of that loss of connection to source, which directs us in the direction we are suppose to be going. Everything comes back to that disconnection. Re-connect and you will remove the clutter from your mind.

I'll leave you with this inspiring clip from Paul Stamets and the DVD that comes out this year. :sunny:


"We are the great danger. Psyche is the great danger. How important is to know something about it, but we know nothing about it.”

― C.G. Jung




Yup letting go of grounding is a good thing, it's our fight for control that brings us unease usually

Let go of control

Psychedelics can teach us to 'just be'

But they may have side effects too as mentioned, do them too much and reading becomes hard, taking an education may become hard too

i.e. you can't just do high doses every week, reading would be impossible

They can help with a balanced life, and grow one spiritually if the user is ready, but they can also do the straight opposite

So I am not sure what I would call them, except tools


It can be very useful to remember ones inner child though, that is joy every day - very valuable tools there
They remove all our excess programming, and set the mind free again in many cases

Then the only problem is you can become 'too free' for society and not fit in, there are certainly dangers

Society is all about ego, you don't want to keep removing your ego with psychedelics, then you would never get a job


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    #21917931 - 07/09/15 03:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

And many people get problems finding friends after taking psychedelics, they get anxiety

Same with weed... drugs are not just good


Some people they do one thing to, then the next person the opposite


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    #21917963 - 07/09/15 03:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The psychedelic experience seems to be the closest connection we have to the source of consciousness. The infinite. "God"

This might be where natures consciousness lives and let's us see and find our way back to symbiotic relationship with nature and our true purpose.




Well I disagree quite a bit there
It's not natural to not control ones actions and thoughts, psychedelics do that often for most people , once in a while


There are safer ways, much safer ways

We are not supposed to be our inner mind all the time, we are supposed to be logical too, not just be

Psychedelics don't allow us to think freely, they make us philosophical in the trip, but in the trip we ARE NOT FREE


Free is 100% control of thoughts, not just being in the moment

A trip makes me a drooling insane mess usually, sure many colors, but it's just a trip. You cannot be free without a free mind, and in the trip the trips controls your mind. You cannot direct the flow fully, it may take you over at any time.

To think one is free from bad trips, that would be a bit naive IMO , not even the best psychologist is free from his own demons


I feel much more free with meditation than psychedelics
or in lucid dreams  - because 100% control of my fear,emotions,thoughts there


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21917976 - 07/09/15 03:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's very important not to be a "this is best" person

But to actually try each method, and use the one you feel is right for you


Don't claim the psychedelics are the only true way to god or being
There are 1000s of ways , none better than the other


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    #21917979 - 07/09/15 03:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I can make an opposite view for you: what if psychedelics only distort our ego, so they're not spiritual at all?

They just make the user think he/she is spiritual?

So now the user is delusional?


They're certainly not just joy,love and bliss and a direct modem to god like you almost called them?:wink:


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    #21918522 - 07/09/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think that happens for some people. it boost's some peoples ego and they become narcissistic or just ignorant. Without intuition you are lost, and awareness of consciousness. You have to experience a certain amount first and learn to interpret your own consciousness, properly. Clearly.

This also comes back to education. It brainwashes people before they get a chance to learn, and they can stay ignorant forever. This is why it can be dangerous. Also why its important to seperate yourself from culture and society and thinking like everyone else. It is not easy to break the conditioning. It's a long process. It also helps to have respect and understanding for nature.

And i believe psychedelics are helping to open your chakras and opening you to new parts of your consciousness and these are real spiritual awakenings... This is what boost's spiritual growth and understanding.

Education without enlightenment can be dangerous - Manly P Hall.


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    #21919033 - 07/09/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It seem a few drugs can open chakras, just about any psychedelic, and weed too

But they often imbalance them too which can be dangerous, so some get overactive and others get blocked / stuck energy


Even the most scientific person who has read all the books in the world could use a good psycho coach IRL after a level5 I believe, not sure anybody could get back fully alone unless they had a really well developed brain and lots of experience

Who your friends are determines how you get back a lot too


But yes I agree that breaking away from conditioning is important, and there they are very helpful
It is just not the only thing that is important in life, depending on who you are of course
Some just want to be, but depending on who you are, there are many other energies in this world to create with

You can live in the now and just be in the moment the rest of your life

You can also create with your logical mind, intuition and logic can go good together

If we only use one we would probably miss the other one if we knew what it was capable off, it can feel really nice to use just one of these, but to use them in combination feels even better when it is possible


Hard effort that also makes life worth living, instead of no effort (living now, wanting nothing)
The harder your life has been and you still being able to push through, the more strength you usually got
Strength is important , no strength is no concentration in life

Sometimes we only value the small things after we have lost almost anything?

We make light from the darkness, learn from our mistakes

That's why psychedelics are often more useful when you have some life experience first it seems, but dunno there really

Maybe they may be useful at any age...


Conditioning becomes exponentially harder to remove with age, that is usually one problem. But a life that has not yet been lived is not worth zooming in on one wrote here on the forums

No experience, nothing to learn from really it seems
I have learned most from my mistakes that's for sure, not sure I have learned anything else than from that

It's nice to realize you don't know when you think you know ;-)


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    #21919166 - 07/09/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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beat me to it

short answer - yes, as far as humanity is concerned, they are "magical"

the real truth is that there is so much more that is unknown about reality than what is known and understood by our modern culture, in essence the way that physical reality itself works is "magical", because there is no explanation for how it came to be, what it is, how it moves, etc. etc.

people would like to think their theories invalidate mystery, simply because they are too frightened to face the unknown as it is


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    #21919344 - 07/09/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Don't watch tv, and you can keep the magic permanently


we chose to condition ourselves again, but we can also chose not to
Nature feels as magic as the first time I saw it , every day , since first time I did shrooms

But if I watch tv, the magic is gone same day ;P , get the fear, frustration, hate, judging, anger, bad dreams etc.


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    #21921313 - 07/09/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Raj knows what he's talkin about.


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    #21921476 - 07/09/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

True, very psychologist like ;-)

Too frightened to accept mystery I've seen with many and my self too for many years

When we hide our own shadow we project it onto others...

Now religion is bullshit
Magical is bullshit only for deluded hippies
Meditation is bullshit, only for weird monks

etc


The mind will do anything to avoid facing itself


Obviously mystery should be accepted as much as anything
We don't know what caused Big Bang
We don't know all the thousands singularities
We don't know dark matter,energy (95% of the _known_ universe)
We don't know why matter is quantized , why nature prefers to be set up magically, electrons only in certain configurations

You cannot change the configurations of atoms, they are locked
Nature prefers them that way , unlike planets

The microcosm is mystial (quarks), the cosmos is mystical, and the cell is as mystical as the microcosm too (cell is as mystical as the universe and the brain)

We can't know

It can actually be unpleasant to think about just how little we know when we think we know, just about nothing, it's all mental frameworks

That's why we think we know, it gives us comfort


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    #21921510 - 07/09/15 07:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

And of course the most obvious

"Drugs are BAD, drugs make you a loser and insane"


we hear that one all the time, usually from people who don't want to research who feed on the mainstream media and government conditioning

from sheep we hear sheepish things

there can be no absolute right and wrong to the mind, only to a conditioned mind


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    #21922161 - 07/09/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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That's why we think we know, it gives us comfort




Yes, comfort - from the illusion of stability.  The self-image (or personality) seeks stability because it is inherently transient (or temporary).  And the self-image is just the acquired conditioning which has derived from living in this physical body, which is also temporary.  Death is the real Truth in this situation.  Its what people are hiding from, because the body knows it will die.  The heart is beating like a ticking clock - and there is a limited number of those tick, tock, tick, tocks...

Im not sure if you are familiar with the philosopher Socrates - but "knowing that you dont know" was one of his more popular realizations.  Its how he structured his dialectic style.

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τούτου μὲν τοῦ ἀνθρώπου ἐγὼ σοφώτερός εἰμι· κινδυνεύει μὲν γὰρ ἡμῶν οὐδέτερος οὐδὲν καλὸν κἀγαθὸν εἰδέναι, ἀλλ᾽ οὗτος μὲν οἴεταί τι εἰδέναι οὐκ εἰδώς, ἐγὼ δέ, ὥσπερ οὖν οὐκ οἶδα, οὐδὲ οἴομαι· ἔοικα γοῦν τούτου γε σμικρῷ τινι αὐτῷ τούτῳ σοφώτερος εἶναι, ὅτι ἃ μὴ οἶδα οὐδὲ οἴομαι εἰδέναι.

I am wiser than this man, for neither of us appears to know anything great and good; but he fancies he knows something, although he knows nothing; whereas I, as I do not know anything, so I do not fancy I do. In this trifling particular, then, I appear to be wiser than he, because I do not fancy I know what I do not know.




However, I personally would not say that "knowing you dont know" = "wisdom".  Thats a step too far, IMHO.  In particular, intellectualism, dialectics, conceptual systems, etc. dont really interest me nearly as much as plenty of other things I would much rather spend my time doing.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: rajajuju]
    #21922392 - 07/09/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Wisdom is applied usually

You can intellectualize as much as you want, but if you have never applied it yet, you are not wise

That's why many people say to learn from ones mistakes

We could keep philosophize all day, because all is relative, sometimes it's just a waste of time yes
Same goes for science, we could convince ourselves that all we see is science and spend our lives trying to prove it

Just be ;-)



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    #21922433 - 07/09/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

But yes I've heard of Socrates, it seems this knowledge of his is transpersonal

Anybody who has tuned into themselves through time could access this knowledge

The knowledge that you know nothing, but that your intuition and experience may be valuable and trustworthy in many cases


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    #21922480 - 07/09/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Can you give me some examples of what you witness outside of science? I think anything that you might be referring to will be one day explained by quantum mechanics.

Also remember that theorist such as Einstein do not do experiments, rather they sit still, explore the mind and come to conclusions, much like Socrates. These theorist are some of the most free thinking, creative individuals the world has ever produced. To sit in a room and create a working model of how the universe behaves!!  I fail to see how a person can not be in awe of that and a fail to see why science is attacked in psychedelic discussion.

So? Outside of scientific explanation? What have you got?


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: satch1234]
    #21922962 - 07/10/15 02:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Science is not attacked

I just don't need to convert disbelievers, somehow it is always assumed science is superior

Superior is usually a delusion

My beliefs are personal, they don't depend on what Einstein believe, what quantum mechanics believes etc.

Often it is also assumed science knows it all

Knowing it all is usually a delusion


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