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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21917963 - 07/09/15 03:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The psychedelic experience seems to be the closest connection we have to the source of consciousness. The infinite. "God"

This might be where natures consciousness lives and let's us see and find our way back to symbiotic relationship with nature and our true purpose.




Well I disagree quite a bit there
It's not natural to not control ones actions and thoughts, psychedelics do that often for most people , once in a while


There are safer ways, much safer ways

We are not supposed to be our inner mind all the time, we are supposed to be logical too, not just be

Psychedelics don't allow us to think freely, they make us philosophical in the trip, but in the trip we ARE NOT FREE


Free is 100% control of thoughts, not just being in the moment

A trip makes me a drooling insane mess usually, sure many colors, but it's just a trip. You cannot be free without a free mind, and in the trip the trips controls your mind. You cannot direct the flow fully, it may take you over at any time.

To think one is free from bad trips, that would be a bit naive IMO , not even the best psychologist is free from his own demons


I feel much more free with meditation than psychedelics
or in lucid dreams  - because 100% control of my fear,emotions,thoughts there


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21917976 - 07/09/15 03:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's very important not to be a "this is best" person

But to actually try each method, and use the one you feel is right for you


Don't claim the psychedelics are the only true way to god or being
There are 1000s of ways , none better than the other


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21917979 - 07/09/15 03:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I can make an opposite view for you: what if psychedelics only distort our ego, so they're not spiritual at all?

They just make the user think he/she is spiritual?

So now the user is delusional?


They're certainly not just joy,love and bliss and a direct modem to god like you almost called them?:wink:


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21918522 - 07/09/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think that happens for some people. it boost's some peoples ego and they become narcissistic or just ignorant. Without intuition you are lost, and awareness of consciousness. You have to experience a certain amount first and learn to interpret your own consciousness, properly. Clearly.

This also comes back to education. It brainwashes people before they get a chance to learn, and they can stay ignorant forever. This is why it can be dangerous. Also why its important to seperate yourself from culture and society and thinking like everyone else. It is not easy to break the conditioning. It's a long process. It also helps to have respect and understanding for nature.

And i believe psychedelics are helping to open your chakras and opening you to new parts of your consciousness and these are real spiritual awakenings... This is what boost's spiritual growth and understanding.

Education without enlightenment can be dangerous - Manly P Hall.


Edited by Signeg (07/09/15 09:07 AM)


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Signeg]
    #21919033 - 07/09/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It seem a few drugs can open chakras, just about any psychedelic, and weed too

But they often imbalance them too which can be dangerous, so some get overactive and others get blocked / stuck energy


Even the most scientific person who has read all the books in the world could use a good psycho coach IRL after a level5 I believe, not sure anybody could get back fully alone unless they had a really well developed brain and lots of experience

Who your friends are determines how you get back a lot too


But yes I agree that breaking away from conditioning is important, and there they are very helpful
It is just not the only thing that is important in life, depending on who you are of course
Some just want to be, but depending on who you are, there are many other energies in this world to create with

You can live in the now and just be in the moment the rest of your life

You can also create with your logical mind, intuition and logic can go good together

If we only use one we would probably miss the other one if we knew what it was capable off, it can feel really nice to use just one of these, but to use them in combination feels even better when it is possible


Hard effort that also makes life worth living, instead of no effort (living now, wanting nothing)
The harder your life has been and you still being able to push through, the more strength you usually got
Strength is important , no strength is no concentration in life

Sometimes we only value the small things after we have lost almost anything?

We make light from the darkness, learn from our mistakes

That's why psychedelics are often more useful when you have some life experience first it seems, but dunno there really

Maybe they may be useful at any age...


Conditioning becomes exponentially harder to remove with age, that is usually one problem. But a life that has not yet been lived is not worth zooming in on one wrote here on the forums

No experience, nothing to learn from really it seems
I have learned most from my mistakes that's for sure, not sure I have learned anything else than from that

It's nice to realize you don't know when you think you know ;-)


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Signeg]
    #21919166 - 07/09/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Signeg said:






beat me to it

short answer - yes, as far as humanity is concerned, they are "magical"

the real truth is that there is so much more that is unknown about reality than what is known and understood by our modern culture, in essence the way that physical reality itself works is "magical", because there is no explanation for how it came to be, what it is, how it moves, etc. etc.

people would like to think their theories invalidate mystery, simply because they are too frightened to face the unknown as it is


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: rajajuju]
    #21919344 - 07/09/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Don't watch tv, and you can keep the magic permanently


we chose to condition ourselves again, but we can also chose not to
Nature feels as magic as the first time I saw it , every day , since first time I did shrooms

But if I watch tv, the magic is gone same day ;P , get the fear, frustration, hate, judging, anger, bad dreams etc.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21921313 - 07/09/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Raj knows what he's talkin about.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Signeg]
    #21921476 - 07/09/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

True, very psychologist like ;-)

Too frightened to accept mystery I've seen with many and my self too for many years

When we hide our own shadow we project it onto others...

Now religion is bullshit
Magical is bullshit only for deluded hippies
Meditation is bullshit, only for weird monks

etc


The mind will do anything to avoid facing itself


Obviously mystery should be accepted as much as anything
We don't know what caused Big Bang
We don't know all the thousands singularities
We don't know dark matter,energy (95% of the _known_ universe)
We don't know why matter is quantized , why nature prefers to be set up magically, electrons only in certain configurations

You cannot change the configurations of atoms, they are locked
Nature prefers them that way , unlike planets

The microcosm is mystial (quarks), the cosmos is mystical, and the cell is as mystical as the microcosm too (cell is as mystical as the universe and the brain)

We can't know

It can actually be unpleasant to think about just how little we know when we think we know, just about nothing, it's all mental frameworks

That's why we think we know, it gives us comfort


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21921510 - 07/09/15 07:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

And of course the most obvious

"Drugs are BAD, drugs make you a loser and insane"


we hear that one all the time, usually from people who don't want to research who feed on the mainstream media and government conditioning

from sheep we hear sheepish things

there can be no absolute right and wrong to the mind, only to a conditioned mind


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21922161 - 07/09/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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lessismore said:It can actually be unpleasant to think about just how little we know when we think we know, just about nothing, it's all mental frameworks

That's why we think we know, it gives us comfort




Yes, comfort - from the illusion of stability.  The self-image (or personality) seeks stability because it is inherently transient (or temporary).  And the self-image is just the acquired conditioning which has derived from living in this physical body, which is also temporary.  Death is the real Truth in this situation.  Its what people are hiding from, because the body knows it will die.  The heart is beating like a ticking clock - and there is a limited number of those tick, tock, tick, tocks...

Im not sure if you are familiar with the philosopher Socrates - but "knowing that you dont know" was one of his more popular realizations.  Its how he structured his dialectic style.

Quote:

τούτου μὲν τοῦ ἀνθρώπου ἐγὼ σοφώτερός εἰμι· κινδυνεύει μὲν γὰρ ἡμῶν οὐδέτερος οὐδὲν καλὸν κἀγαθὸν εἰδέναι, ἀλλ᾽ οὗτος μὲν οἴεταί τι εἰδέναι οὐκ εἰδώς, ἐγὼ δέ, ὥσπερ οὖν οὐκ οἶδα, οὐδὲ οἴομαι· ἔοικα γοῦν τούτου γε σμικρῷ τινι αὐτῷ τούτῳ σοφώτερος εἶναι, ὅτι ἃ μὴ οἶδα οὐδὲ οἴομαι εἰδέναι.

I am wiser than this man, for neither of us appears to know anything great and good; but he fancies he knows something, although he knows nothing; whereas I, as I do not know anything, so I do not fancy I do. In this trifling particular, then, I appear to be wiser than he, because I do not fancy I know what I do not know.




However, I personally would not say that "knowing you dont know" = "wisdom".  Thats a step too far, IMHO.  In particular, intellectualism, dialectics, conceptual systems, etc. dont really interest me nearly as much as plenty of other things I would much rather spend my time doing.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: rajajuju]
    #21922392 - 07/09/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Wisdom is applied usually

You can intellectualize as much as you want, but if you have never applied it yet, you are not wise

That's why many people say to learn from ones mistakes

We could keep philosophize all day, because all is relative, sometimes it's just a waste of time yes
Same goes for science, we could convince ourselves that all we see is science and spend our lives trying to prove it

Just be ;-)



The fake self seeks stability by 'being something' because it fears death, fears becoming nothing
All illusion, you must become nothing


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21922433 - 07/09/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

But yes I've heard of Socrates, it seems this knowledge of his is transpersonal

Anybody who has tuned into themselves through time could access this knowledge

The knowledge that you know nothing, but that your intuition and experience may be valuable and trustworthy in many cases


I think , therefore I am, manifest my own being and what I see


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21922480 - 07/09/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Can you give me some examples of what you witness outside of science? I think anything that you might be referring to will be one day explained by quantum mechanics.

Also remember that theorist such as Einstein do not do experiments, rather they sit still, explore the mind and come to conclusions, much like Socrates. These theorist are some of the most free thinking, creative individuals the world has ever produced. To sit in a room and create a working model of how the universe behaves!!  I fail to see how a person can not be in awe of that and a fail to see why science is attacked in psychedelic discussion.

So? Outside of scientific explanation? What have you got?


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: satch1234]
    #21922962 - 07/10/15 02:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Science is not attacked

I just don't need to convert disbelievers, somehow it is always assumed science is superior

Superior is usually a delusion

My beliefs are personal, they don't depend on what Einstein believe, what quantum mechanics believes etc.

Often it is also assumed science knows it all

Knowing it all is usually a delusion


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