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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Signeg]
    #21904002 - 07/06/15 04:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Psychedelics absolutely can decondition all learnt notions, ideas and perspectives. An absolute rebirth and recognition of your true position within the universe can be achieved, you feel as you did before cultural conditioning and moulding, and can re evaluate your positioning and choices accordingly. Fuckin pure ecstasy in the moment.

I just don't think psychs cause transcendental effects.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: satch1234]
    #21904024 - 07/06/15 04:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Psychedelics absolutely can decondition all learnt notions, ideas and perspectives. An absolute rebirth and recognition of your true position within the universe can be achieved, you feel as you did before cultural conditioning and moulding, and can re evaluate your positioning and choices accordingly. Fuckin pure ecstasy in the moment.

I just don't think psychs cause transcendental effects.




How can you think the former without thinking the latter?

Transcendence would almost be the definition of complete deconditioning...


A mind without notions is a free mind
That is ultimate liberation , realizing your soul essence , if you can format the mind

That also means transcendence temporarily it seems, but if the person is not ready he will be back to former self next day


Transcendence to me means a clear mind without notions
Anybody can "get there" if they take psychedelics without other drugs, reach formatted brain

But the transcendence doesn't stay with them, unless ready


You gotta build your base foundation first like one said..


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21904026 - 07/06/15 04:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

But then there is also the other issue, you may not reach transcendence even if you take a huge dose to "format the brain"

You may reach apathy, hold onto the ego, get crazy instead


There is just no guarantee... whatever happens seems destined in many cases, looks like we got the mind we got from birth, and some got a defect that prevents them from freeing their mind, while others are free from birth all their life - no problems


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21904028 - 07/06/15 04:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think we all have a lot to re learn. There is a way. But theres a long way to go...


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Signeg]
    #21904037 - 07/06/15 05:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

cubes yes very much so cant say ive had the pleasure omm aminitas


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21904040 - 07/06/15 05:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't believe any of us are here by coincidence, believe 100% in fate, purpose and destiny

Psychedelics can help us shred the outer layers of the ego mind, the lies we put on to fit in with others

They often do it forcefully, so not so pleasant, not everyone is ready

We're all here to learn and we have to learn all our lives, transcendence definitely seems possible (enlightenment) in certain states, but I wouldn't count on drugs to supply them
But on the other hand, any experience can be equally worthwhile depending on the mindset of the person

Mind is all after all...

You can have a transcending experience on Heroin if you got the right mindset


The right mindset is usually to let go of all wantings
When we shred all our layers we reach the core layer, our inner child, then we need to reinstall our software/operating system

Noone gets to transcendence fully, it's very temporary usually

You may get there for 2mins in nature after hours of meditation, or for 30 seconds on psychedelics


What is important is what it ment to you, and to learn from it, bring it back and build upon it

So in the end, we probably need to abandon the notion that psychedelics are magical, they are as magical as any nice experience
Weed can be magical too, but in the end it's still a drug - I have had a few nights of laughing on that

Monday morning you are back to reality, no further than when you went in
Drugs distort our perception of ourself and others and make us think we are enlightened, but in reality we just got further off the path than before often. Thinking one is already there is usually getting off the path.

You can get peace at any time, feel fulfillment in your soul at any time

But enlightenment at any time is very hard to reach, it means being humble, loving, kind in any situation

Psychedelics don't build our base, we have to ourselves, the strip us of our base and that may make us childish/naive at times

The most useful thing about them is the ability to format the conditioned brain, can be very useful to certain people that need a 'brain reset'
Often the brain gets stuck after living as its thoughts all life, and these drugs are very good here sometimes


But I agree with previous poster, transcendence is a long way for us all usually, it's a lifelong path
Transcendence and enlightenment are often misused words too that may carry a negative notation with them, but all depends on the viewer of course. Eckhart Tolle often got called an egoistical asshole for naming his book guide to enlightenment, but he didn't think the title sounded selfish ;-P

He apparently had abandoned what others thought of him as important, only what he thought himself and did himself for the world was important


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21904259 - 07/06/15 07:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

To me, both Psilos and Amanitas, are very powerfull magical tools. :thumbup:

While Psilos penetrate you with flashes of insight, beyond words hardly to keep in mind. ..Amanitas are more like one straight vision. A powerfull emotional realization on the topic you think about. Less frantic but much warmer.

High doses are hard to manage, though, and can get really crazy with both. :rocket:

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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Pandemoon]
    #21905048 - 07/06/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

lessismore you really need to take the advice of your name

your posting often looks like rambling from an insane person, that's what I'm seeing


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: cube talk]
    #21905545 - 07/06/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yes I look back when I was dosing heavy all the time, especially tryptamines, god dam was I going crazy. Suffered socially for sure. DMT can really be compared to other freebase drugs, but the hit is not omg I feel so fuckin good! it's omg this feels so fuckin spiritual! I think the worse drugs can be the ones that make you think they are actually benefiting you. So you keep repeating them guilt free. Then you look back years later and cringe.

The other worldly feeling the psilo and Dmt bring can actually be found in many synthetic tryptamines, and is apparently apart of the drug chemistry the causes the feeling of presence.

Sure trippings great and I do it regularly for recreation, but take it lightly with a grain of salt.

Some of the ramblings here are concerning. You don't want to destroy yourself over and over, why, to what end? So you can ramble about the nature of consciousness, is that really benefiting your species and this planet? Does it make a difference? You aint going to fly off into heaven if you eat enough psychs, you will probably come out worse off.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: cube talk]
    #21905612 - 07/06/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There may be more than recreational tripping, just like there may be more than recreational pharmaceuticals

That's what shamanism is all about after all

You don't have to be right with your assumptions, even if it is comforting to be right


The only problem is if we think we can only get there with a drug, that's beginning of addiction.
There is nothing wrong with having a spiritual experience on psychedelics, I've had plenty for sure, but I've also had them without. Great teachers of mind, back to nature.

Find out what it's worth for YOU, not what others say. But many people have done psychedelics through time and gotten inspired sometimes from their magic, Richard Feynmann, Albert Hofmann, the 60s hippies, Steve Jobs, Bill gates etc.

It's always nice to know the molecule you use is reasonably safe


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21905644 - 07/06/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh yes John Lennon did LSD a 1000 times he said

One of the people who inspired me to try psychedelics, always admired his words I think/music from beatles in general

These molecules have taught the world through time


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21907503 - 07/06/15 09:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



Theres John Lennon talking about lsd, at the end of the video he describes how he was left weak and afraid from reading Leary and destroying his ego with the drug.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: satch1234]
    #21908522 - 07/07/15 07:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well egodeath leaves people pretty 'weak', but how do we measure weak?

I would say I was more strong as a child than I was as an adult , strongness is excessive energy, optimism, faith

Never any worries etc.


The problem is only if people are in the wrong environment when they do it it seems, I don't think egodeath would be pleasant with any kinds of friends/on a stage or whatever
Maybe ask Syd Barett about that

Egodeath makes people crazy for a while , it's not especially fun


But apparently it first makes people crazy, when they have to build into society's constructs again, before that I didn't feel crazy
Maybe it's society that is crazy ?


If you adopt crazy thoughts, materialism, education, politics systems , newspapers about violence/sex/murder etc . you're born to go crazy

so is it really the egodeath that does it, or is it just from a clear/formatted brain seeing all the evilness and destruction in the world?


Maybe that mind is about the only sane mind in the world, a person who can clear their mind fully
Won't be pleasant...

You -can- interact fine with others next day after an egodeath, but sometimes you can't
Depends a lot on the person, setting etc. - impossible to say anything about really..

I would say I felt much more free, but it was weird having 'any' interest, or 'no interests' that was specific to 'me'
No 'me' - that can be very unpleasant if your friends asks you about something..

Can scare the hell out of you too unless you got a strong mind, and I imagine that would scare people easily back then because LSD was so new...

The 'me' rebuilds over 2-3 years, but its certainly not for everyone except maybe hippies etc. that want to destroy their self

Did you know you can get egodeath everytime you meditate in nature btw?
It's not the egodeath per se that is bad for us, it's our fear of putting in new operating system it seems

Egodeath was liberation , then came the fear of fitting into the world again


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21908560 - 07/07/15 07:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)



a better john lennon video, not one spreading fear

egodeath confuses people, but it's rarely dangerous


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21908675 - 07/07/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Oh yes John Lennon did LSD a 1000 times he said

One of the people who inspired me to try psychedelics, always admired his words I think/music from beatles in general

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Same here. When I started tripping in 1980 I was in the middle of a big John Lennon phase. The timing in Dec 1980 could not have been worse, I was devastated.

Anyway, I think his 1970 off-the-cuff claim of 1,000 trips is a massive exaggeration. Let's say he tripped 1,000 times between 1966 and 1970. A thousand trips in 5 years would average 200 trips a year = about 4 each week. Not even remotely possible. Even if he took the stuff, he didn't trip due to tolerance. I predict the real number is more in the double digits.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Universe]
    #21908743 - 07/07/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Haha, I've been wondering about that number too everytime I hear it ;-)

but LSD is known for making time dilations so you think you tripped 1000 times when you only tripped 10, and you think you're 1000 years old when you're still only 20 etc.

Weed does the same thing, makes people -very- high

'Ive smoked weed for 15 years , but then it was only 5-7 years'

'Ive smoked weed for a few years, but then it was only a few months'


Anyway I still like Lennon, like his words, Leary is just a  bit nutty but funny at times too
And I like Mckenna too, very down to earth and fun to listen to, many new angles and a good thinker compared to Leary - he's a bit crazy at times but in a fun way ;-P


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21908773 - 07/07/15 08:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

He even tripped once and thought he was Jesus Christ iirc

I wouldn't trust 1000 to be the right number then from a guy that claims he's like 5000+ years old reincarnated

At least Leary only claimed to be reincarnated I think :wink:


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21910114 - 07/07/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Artists can surely benefit from tripping, but if your not producing anything an just dosing up all the time, what is that good for? I don't want a world full of artist anyway. Say what you will about the modern condition but theres a reason you can go down to the supermarket and buy packaged goods, or be here on shroomery on your electronic device. Eggs must be cracked to make an omelet, life feeds on life. I sure don't want to be living in a mud hut, sitting round a campfire at night just eating mushrooms, dam that would be horrible.

Psychs are great, but some people have a crazy delusional bias view on them.  I've had many close friends that started tripping an ultimately just came out worse off. Simple task become impossible, they can't walk into a shop without being sweeped with fear. Yeah you could say there weak, need to meditate yadayada. But some people are not wired for this and they dont know until its to late.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: satch1234]
    #21910263 - 07/07/15 03:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Artists can surely benefit from tripping, but if your not producing anything an just dosing up all the time, what is that good for? I don't want a world full of artist anyway. Say what you will about the modern condition but theres a reason you can go down to the supermarket and buy packaged goods, or be here on shroomery on your electronic device. Eggs must be cracked to make an omelet, life feeds on life. I sure don't want to be living in a mud hut, sitting round a campfire at night just eating mushrooms, dam that would be horrible.

Psychs are great, but some people have a crazy delusional bias view on them.  I've had many close friends that started tripping an ultimately just came out worse off. Simple task become impossible, they can't walk into a shop without being sweeped with fear. Yeah you could say there weak, need to meditate yadayada. But some people are not wired for this and they dont know until its to late.




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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: satch1234]
    #21910738 - 07/07/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Psychedelics absolutely can decondition all learnt notions, ideas and perspectives. An absolute rebirth and recognition of your true position within the universe can be achieved, you feel as you did before cultural conditioning and moulding, and can re evaluate your positioning and choices accordingly. Fuckin pure ecstasy in the moment.

I just don't think psychs cause transcendental effects.





I totally agree with you man. I have been taking psychedelics for a while looking for transcendental affects and experiencing none.

I experience insights, oh yes, Revelation, spiritual knowledge, understanding, expanded consciousness, healing etc etc but none of this takes makes me any closer to the Self. It might makes things look and feel more like the Self but thats it, they just look and feel that way.

The only drug which I believe actually produces transcendant effects, is the aminita muscaria mushroom.


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