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Dr.Satan
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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
#21898843 - 07/04/15 10:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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lessismore said: There may be truths in the bible, I don't really read it, but I remember what I read once many years ago , and use what fits my experience
It has many valuable lessons, just like the buddhist story
Of course a christian can be equally enlightened as a non-believer
It is not your faith that prevents you from being enlightened, or going towards enlightenment
It is usually the self that prevents you
We always seem to get the Believers vs Non-believers, Party X vs Party Y, Science vs Religion etc. There is no separation with true spirituality, with truth
Truth doesn't separate people
You realize you know nothing, but maybe part of you knows something - your intuition i.e. you can maybe chose to trust, and your experience But you never set yourself before others, you see yourself in others
Maybe the christians you speak about could be right, that drugs are often bad?
You don't read the book your religious beliefs revolve around?
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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Dr.Satan]
#21898953 - 07/04/15 10:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Edited by Signeg (07/05/15 07:59 AM)
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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Signeg]
#21899328 - 07/05/15 12:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Magic is real. We're just in a weird age. Yes, mushrooms are a magical realm, literally.
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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Signeg]
#21899336 - 07/05/15 12:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Signeg said: So because i don't believe in jesus i'm not a non believer?. I consider myself gnostic. I just dont believe in christianity as a belief, it's only myth not history... I have nothing against christians but i don't trust religions. It's not teaching spirituality, only you can teach yourself that. Just like all spiritual things. You can learn morality by going inside yourself and learning what is right and wrong based on your intentions and perception of reality. If you are aware of consciousness then this should come naturally. You will take much more valuable lessons this way.
There are gnostic churches which are very similar in practice to more mainstream Christian churchs. SOme aspects of spirituality can be taught in my opinion, but also there is the power of the transmission of presence.
People often experience shfits or awakenings simply by being in the presence of a great master.
Going to church and being in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament is another way to receive the presence. Religion can work, far too many people are far too skeptical of religion in my opinion.
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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: circastes]
#21899341 - 07/05/15 12:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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circastes said: Magic is real. We're just in a weird age. Yes, mushrooms are a magical realm, literally.
Yeah this is what I mean. I also believe magic is real but we live in a culture that has forgotten this and magic has become less real for us because it is no longer part of our consensus reality.
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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Deviate]
#21899600 - 07/05/15 03:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yup, many people are too skeptical of religion
And mushrooms are no more magic than many other states of mind/reality
I like OBEs/Lucid dreaming better than LSD/mushrooms i.e., feels more real, more love too Doesn't mean mushrooms are worthless to me, they have been very helpful but I know many other ways
Fasting is very useful too, there are plenty of ways
It's first when we expect to see fancy stuff that we fail to use our spirit, because we 'want stuff' Spirit is the subtle body, it speaks to us in subtle ways, we must learn to listen better
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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
#21899625 - 07/05/15 03:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Completely disagree with this whole thread, What you people talking about magic? I'd say the psychedelic experience is easily explained. You underestimate the significance and power of the human brain. The magic is that the brain has evolved to actually present the world we see around us today. We can use drugs to force the brain to present a whole new reality around us as we alter important sensory/emotional chemical messengers.
It would be amazing if a psychedelic drug caused us to see different frequency radiation, gamma rays or radio waves.. but no we are still stuck in the 300THz range between red and violet... but in a less organised way. Id almost say the sober reality produced by the brain is more magical than the scrambled one. It has been designed for this planet over thousands of years.
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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: satch1234]
#21900202 - 07/05/15 09:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Magic is from realizing you know nothing
Unfotunately science rarely realizes this, therefore they experience no magic
A philosopher might realize it, else he would be a bad philosopher. You cannot understand the mind and think you know.
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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
#21900210 - 07/05/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you've ever eaten a good dose of magic mushrooms and went on a nature walk you would understand this use of the term "magic". The feeling + visuals is just magical. But obviously this is just an adjective that adequately describes the experience. We aren't saying the mushrooms are actually some wizardry or something lol.
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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Dr.Satan]
#21900610 - 07/05/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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They do feel magical definitely
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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: sarahnya]
#21901329 - 07/05/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: satch1234]
#21901881 - 07/05/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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satch1234 said: Completely disagree with this whole thread, What you people talking about magic? I'd say the psychedelic experience is easily explained. You underestimate the significance and power of the human brain. The magic is that the brain has evolved to actually present the world we see around us today. We can use drugs to force the brain to present a whole new reality around us as we alter important sensory/emotional chemical messengers.
It would be amazing if a psychedelic drug caused us to see different frequency radiation, gamma rays or radio waves.. but no we are still stuck in the 300THz range between red and violet... but in a less organised way. Id almost say the sober reality produced by the brain is more magical than the scrambled one. It has been designed for this planet over thousands of years.
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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21903294 - 07/05/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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mushrooms tie you into reality in a way I can't even describe
it's like we're in a dream, and then when you take shrooms.. that dream becomes lucid, like you actually get control of it
it's mesmerizing it really is, and unexplainable
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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: cube talk]
#21903323 - 07/05/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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cube talk said: mushrooms tie you into reality in a way I can't even describe
it's like we're in a dream, and then when you take shrooms.. that dream becomes lucid, like you actually get control of it
it's mesmerizing it really is, and unexplainable
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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: cube talk]
#21903813 - 07/06/15 01:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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cube talk said: mushrooms tie you into reality in a way I can't even describe
it's like we're in a dream, and then when you take shrooms.. that dream becomes lucid, like you actually get control of it
it's mesmerizing it really is, and unexplainable
Free your mind Free your soul
But yes it's very much like a lucid dream, and it actually has many similarities with it it seems
NDEs, OBEs, awakening in reality to a greater reality etc.
Will also make you question everything like LDs because it can often seem more real than this reality
Yet LDs/OBEs feel even more real than psychedelics always, because they give you more control Either you run from your fear there/die from your fear , or you master your reality
With psychedelics it is possible to run from your fear for 8-12 hours, bad trip
It's possible in a lucid dream too
It's like a looking glass into your mind, conscious self reflection you should only look so deep as you are ready to look, because self reflection can be scarring both in LDs and with psychedelics for most people
LDs can make people insane in worst case or master their reality Mushrooms the same
Apparently it is not random who gets good at it, happens from birth it seems..
People LD from birth and are really great at it when 4 years old, then they forget
Same with psychedelics, they are often better at them when young, then they forget when old, think the experience is all about thinking - sure that's a new experience But the real creativity, the real connection can only be felt not rationalized, just like in lucid dreams
It is beyond rational mind
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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
#21903818 - 07/06/15 01:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Beyond our need for control, works best when not needing control
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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
#21903917 - 07/06/15 03:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think we should agree to disagree. What you experienced and what others did isn't the same. Unless you're connected to the collective consciousness then it could be similar.
Psychedelics are true spiritual experiences. If you can't interpret it properly, it's because you have too much else going on in your head. Reality has nothing to do with anything you're talking about IMO.
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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Signeg]
#21903923 - 07/06/15 03:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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My advice is to throw yourself as deep as you can go(not in a stupid way)... Then learn to interpret what you've actually experienced. That is how you become aware of other "realities" and consciousness. It's not the experience that's scarring. It's actually reality, which you're not seeing clearly. It's actually a healing experience as you're deconditioning yourself from the EGO. It is your fear of losing this false identity which is holding you back.
We are all here to learn and to grow. To do that spiritually you have to overcome these things, as it's part of your experience. You talked about only going as deep as you're ready to go. But then you talk about things which you haven't yet experienced. It makes no sense really. But you are right that you can only experience what you are ready to experience, that depends on how far along your path you have come. There is also a point where over-thinking might be necessary for you to solve your problems and re build your perception based on your new understanding.
There is no guide for a true spiritual experience. And so we can only learn by going back to the start and teaching ourself. This can also require a lot of thinking. Not thinking can be dangerous also in meditation techniques. Like you said its dangerous to go where you aren't ready. And for someone to have no thoughts, most people aren't ready for this, as that only comes further in your experience when you have overcome all these other things. It would almost be like pure ignorance to the un initiated. As i think it was Terence Mckenna said, Those older cultures are way ahead of us western cultures and we still have a lot more to learn first. We have to find our own way.
And that is also why i said education can be dangerous before enlightenment.
Edited by Signeg (07/06/15 03:43 AM)
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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Signeg]
#21903962 - 07/06/15 03:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Signeg said: I think we should agree to disagree. What you experienced and what others did isn't the same. Unless you're connected to the collective consciousness then it could be similar.
Psychedelics are true spiritual experiences. If you can't interpret it properly, it's because you have too much else going on in your head. Reality has nothing to do with anything you're talking about IMO.
Are you reading what I wrote?
You seem to answer to something completely different..
I wrote they can be a spiritual experience, but not everyone is ready to go the full depth
Just like they aren't with LDs, only the few go the full depth and come out intact
Spirituality is our nature, but it certainly isn't for all in this lifetime
If you think it is for all, think again, not all is ready to be deconditioned, thinking so could be a fools mans game Know your mind..
That's also one reason I don't give psychedelics out to strangers, except those that seek them, I don't go preaching them to others
Seekers shall find, for they are usually ready
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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
#21903963 - 07/06/15 03:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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No i definitely agree with you there 
And sorry if i came off rude. Not my intention
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