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Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical?
    #21898098 - 07/04/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I find that mushrooms are the most magical of all drugs. Not psilocybin actually but aminita muscaria are king when it comes to this but psilocybin is a close second.

By magical I mean the experience feels magical and you can gain powers over your reality from eating them. Its hard to explain exactly what I mean but mushrooms are the only drug that have given me this magical feeling i dont get it with LSD or cactus.

I also think its interesting that both psilocybin mushrooms and aminita muscaria mushrooms cause this, and actually feel very similar in some other ways as well, even though they are not the least bit chemically related.

Do you guys think it is possible that they are similar because they are both mushrooms? My theory is that when you eat psychoactive mushrooms you get a little taste of mushroom consciousness and of course all mushrooms, being mushrooms, have a similar consciousness even if they are different species.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Deviate]
    #21898112 - 07/04/15 07:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Lol aminata's and other psilocybin species both have psylocin (which is where the magic comes from) just different amounts. Yes they are magical as fuck. But don't rely on intuition to tell you what mushrooms do. They are way to complicated to do that. Do some research. The rabbit hole is dealer then you could possibly fathom :smile:


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: alised] * 1
    #21898120 - 07/04/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Amanita's are not Psilocybe species. They're Amanita species. They don't contain Psilocybin or Psilocin. They contain muscimol and ibotenic acid. You could do with some research too :wink:


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Signeg]
    #21898124 - 07/04/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Amanita's are not Psilocybe species they are Amanita species. They don't contain psilocybin. They contain muscimol and ibotenic acid. You could do with some research too :wink:



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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: HardTrippin]
    #21898171 - 07/04/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I was never a fan of amanitas. I've had like one good experience and about 4 shitty ones. The typical experience on amanitas for me ends with me sweating like crazy just feeling uncomfortable. And signeg is right psilocybin  and amanitas are two VERY different things. And the effects are nothing alike for me. I mean I would take psilocybin mushies any day, but you'd have to pay me to get me to eat amanita ever again lol.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: HardTrippin]
    #21898280 - 07/04/15 07:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Amanita's are not Psilocybe species they are Amanita species. They don't contain psilocybin. They contain muscimol and ibotenic acid. You could do with some research too :wink:



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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #21898299 - 07/04/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I was never a fan of amanitas. I've had like one good experience and about 4 shitty ones. The typical experience on amanitas for me ends with me sweating like crazy just feeling uncomfortable. And signeg is right psilocybin  and amanitas are two VERY different things. And the effects are nothing alike for me. I mean I would take psilocybin mushies any day, but you'd have to pay me to get me to eat amanita ever again lol.




Well I don't want to derail this thread into another discussion about aminitas but your experience is fairly common although totally remediable in my opinion.

If they make you sweating and uncomfortable, chances are you have taken too high a dose and/or your body isn't accustomed to aminitas. I experienced the same thing the first time I ate aminitas also, but after taking them every day for a while those unpleasant effects diminished.

Now, if you are wanting to trip out on aminitas like you do with psilos then yes, you are probably going to get the sweating and uncomfortable feelings. But tripping out is only one of the things you can do with aminitas (where it is about the only thing you can do with psilocybin).

I like to take low doses of aminita. Low doses are an effective painkiller and euphoriant. Frequent low dosing helps you to connect with the spirit world and dissolve into the great I AM. So they are mainly a spiritual tool rather than a recreational drug like psilocybin. If you are not interested in spirituality, I would not recommend aminitas, but if you are I highly suggest giving them another look. Psilos and aminitas are yin and yang. Spiritually speaking, there is nothing more powerful than aminitas.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Deviate]
    #21898363 - 07/04/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I tried amanita once--I had some dry pieces that I got online. I made a tea of them. The tea tasted every bit as bad as P. Cubenses tea. A half hour after drinking the tea, I threw up. After that there was a mild high. I have no desire for a repeat vist from the red mushroom. You have been luckier. Good.


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almost nothing important that ever happens to you happens because you engineer it. Destiny has no beeper; destiny always leans trenchcoated out of an alley with some sort of 'psst' that you usually can't even hear because you're in such a rush to or from something important you've tried to engineer. ”
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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Deviate]
    #21898385 - 07/04/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Magic mushrooms have an ancient history of religious use. To say magic mushrooms are just for tripping is way off. I use psilocybin to open my mind to new ways of thinking. But yea I mainly tried amanita for similar reasons. I gave it several chances, but the only time I had a good experience was the first time I took them. I ate a full oz of African A. The next few times I tried Washington A++ (this one was the most unpleasant out of all of the ones I tried) and I tried some other random one that started with a P. Oddly enough the African strain was the only one I took a massive dose of. Washington A++ I recall taking about 8g doses and still having a horrible experience.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #21898430 - 07/04/15 08:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

yeah 8 grams is way too much, go with 2-3 grams and meditate in nature. Smoke some weed once you enter the third stage of the experience.

And I know that psilocybin has a long history of religious use, but you must also admit its a rockin' good time. Aminitas are not like that. You have to understand what the mushroom is doing to your consciousness, in order to extract the benefits. You dont just eat it and have a great experience like psilocybin. It takes some effort.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Deviate]
    #21898463 - 07/04/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

@OP
Frequent dosing of any drug helps you connect with the spirit world

Daily weed does it, smoke skunk , the shaman's favorite


But not everyone is a shaman, not everyone can safely connect daily to the spirit world

The spirit takes over that person who tries, that's why people get psychoses and see faces or get demonic thoughts


I would much rather lucid dream, at least then I can know I am in balance, than if I get drunk everyday on fly agaric/weed
In lucid dreams I can have clear thoughts, if I smoke huge amounts of weed everyday/take fly agaric everyday , my thoughts might not be my own anymore, spirit may control my life in worst case


A person who open themselves up to the spirit world everyday opens themselves up to possession IMO

not a good thing.... , going to spirit world should only be with intent and purpose, in a sacred space I think


You can speak to spirits on alcohol too I believe, any drug can do it
it is because drugs shut off our rational mind and weaken our spiritual body/shell it seems, most drugs can give you spiritual effects/side effects


The side effects are not always good, cocaine psychosis, weed psychosis seeing demons, lsd 8 month trip or lsd manic, or mushroom manic thinking one has ultimate power and is god


The spirits will trick you into believing power is what you want

You need to be strong, but you don't need power or magic abilities - those are usually trickster spirits that want to control you by giving you abilities - take this drug and you will see God, but then your god was this spirit  that now got your soul


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Deviate]
    #21898491 - 07/04/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I tried amanita once--I had some dry pieces that I got online. I made a tea of them. The tea tasted every bit as bad as P. Cubenses tea. A half hour after drinking the tea, I threw up. After that there was a mild high. I have no desire for a repeat vist from the red mushroom. You have been luckier. Good.



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yeah 8 grams is way too much, go with 2-3 grams and meditate in nature. Smoke some weed once you enter the third stage of the experience.

And I know that psilocybin has a long history of religious use, but you must also admit its a rockin' good time. Aminitas are not like that. You have to understand what the mushroom is doing to your consciousness, in order to extract the benefits. You dont just eat it and have a great experience like psilocybin. It takes some effort.



Ah I see what you're saying now. I might try amanitas again in the distant future, but for now I'm staying away from em. And as for the dose I took I was mainly going off the fact I ate an oz of a weaker strain. I didn't realize how drastic the jump was from A to A++ until it was too late :P.


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Deviate] * 1
    #21898506 - 07/04/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Signeg]
    #21898526 - 07/04/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe if there were more good fly agaric trip reports speaking for spiritual benefits then more would try it out

Most I've read speak about drinking ones own urine, I'm sure that is very spiritual ?;-)


You can be spiritual right now, with no drug
If you think you need a drug to be spiritual, you have already gotten off the path


The drug may give you a  spiritual experience, if you treat it right, but you can get there without too

Fast,meditate,prayer


I often see people speak about how they can only get there with their drug, so now the drug has control over their mind, they want to 'see fancy stuff' else they don't feel themselves or spiritual at all.

There is more to spirituality than seeing, i.e. the greater I am you mention
that is knowing, very mental


You can connect with it at any time, crystals and closing your eyes, or if you have an intention
the best intention is serving others, then the greater I am is your friend at any time, no drugs needed


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21898542 - 07/04/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:huxleyfacepalm:


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21898560 - 07/04/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

A good christian thing is to serve others without expecting anything in return

Serve god without expecting to see god



Psychedelics can certainly be helpful if carefully respected, without respect they may be harmful though (daily use seems irresponsible to me)


Man wasn't satisfied with being in heaven, man wanted ultimate knowledge, man wanted to see
Man saw he was naked


And today man often wants to see what other's see (kundalini!! - serpent snake stuff gives you great POWER)

Refrain from wanting power, because it is often bad for us


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21898573 - 07/04/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:crazyeyes:



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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Signeg]
    #21898616 - 07/04/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: Signeg]
    #21898673 - 07/04/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There may be truths in the bible, I don't really read it, but I remember what I read once many years ago , and use what fits my experience

It has many valuable lessons, just like the buddhist story

Of course a christian can be equally enlightened as a non-believer

It is not your faith that prevents you from being enlightened, or going towards enlightenment

It is usually the self that prevents you



We always seem to get the Believers vs Non-believers, Party X vs Party Y, Science vs Religion etc.
There is no separation with true spirituality, with truth


Truth doesn't separate people

You realize you know nothing, but maybe part of you knows something - your intuition i.e. you can maybe chose to trust, and your experience
But you never set yourself before others, you see yourself in others


Maybe the christians you speak about could be right, that drugs are often bad?


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Re: Does anyone else think that magic mushrooms are magical? [Re: lessismore]
    #21898756 - 07/04/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think there's something magical about psychedelics in general. Actually, a better term would be "fascinating". Or Mind blowing. I'm sure there's a perfect term but I can't think of it.


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