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Mad Season
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Re: Is There a Flame Sterilization Tek for Still Air Boxes? [Re: Buck513]
#21898599 - 07/04/15 09:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Toadstool5
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Re: Is There a Flame Sterilization Tek for Still Air Boxes? [Re: Mad Season]
#21898604 - 07/04/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fuck! Gravity whooped her ass! 
Her boobs are morphing into an extra pair of arms
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Re: Is There a Flame Sterilization Tek for Still Air Boxes? [Re: Inextinctus]
#21898613 - 07/04/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Inextinctus said: Curious to know, with the whole outside/inside air transfers... Wouldn't it make more sense to actually attach your arm covers, whatever they may be, to your box so that there's an air tight seal and you can slide your hands out with ease? No sleeves attached? Keep flammable substances out of the box and boom? (No pun intended)
no it wouldnt' make any sense, just follow the teks as stated becasue there stated for good reason1 no flaming inside don't attach your gloves, wet your sab and get to work
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Re: Is There a Flame Sterilization Tek for Still Air Boxes? [Re: Buck513]
#21898615 - 07/04/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Buck513 said: .
^^^ Up your post count like a pro
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Re: Is There a Flame Sterilization Tek for Still Air Boxes? [Re: Inextinctus]
#21898621 - 07/04/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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^^^ Up your post count like a pro
8 posts in and you're already being a shit talker?
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Buck513

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Re: Is There a Flame Sterilization Tek for Still Air Boxes? [Re: Inextinctus]
#21898623 - 07/04/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Buck513 said: .
^^^ Up your post count like a pro
Actually I deleted the granny tits cause I didn't feel like getting banned again.
Get with the program
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Re: Is There a Flame Sterilization Tek for Still Air Boxes? [Re: cronicr]
#21898625 - 07/04/15 09:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cool, just checking. In my head it seemed like a solid idea but for some reason I feel like I should trust you
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Re: Is There a Flame Sterilization Tek for Still Air Boxes? [Re: Inextinctus]
#21898629 - 07/04/15 09:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Inextinctus said: Cool, just checking. In my head it seemed like a solid idea but for some reason I feel like I should trust you 
That might be why. And .
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Inextinctus
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Re: Is There a Flame Sterilization Tek for Still Air Boxes? [Re: Inocuole]
#21898635 - 07/04/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Haha no sir, I respect everyone here! I thought it was funny actually. I'm on my phone right now though so thread updating is like 2 old people fucking ;D
Edited by Inextinctus (07/04/15 09:35 PM)
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Buck513

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Re: Is There a Flame Sterilization Tek for Still Air Boxes? [Re: cronicr]
#21898643 - 07/04/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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cronicr said:
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Inextinctus said: Curious to know, with the whole outside/inside air transfers... Wouldn't it make more sense to actually attach your arm covers, whatever they may be, to your box so that there's an air tight seal and you can slide your hands out with ease? No sleeves attached? Keep flammable substances out of the box and boom? (No pun intended)
no it wouldnt' make any sense, just follow the teks as stated becasue there stated for good reason1 no flaming inside don't attach your gloves, wet your sab and get to work
cron Have fun fishing
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Re: Is There a Flame Sterilization Tek for Still Air Boxes? [Re: Inocuole]
#21898650 - 07/04/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Inocuole said:
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Inextinctus said: Cool, just checking. In my head it seemed like a solid idea but for some reason I feel like I should trust you 
That might be why. And .
No.. No I think it's more intimate than that...
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Re: Is There a Flame Sterilization Tek for Still Air Boxes? [Re: Buck513] 1
#21898657 - 07/04/15 09:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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will do brutha! see you all soon!...fucking rides taking forever lol
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Re: Is There a Flame Sterilization Tek for Still Air Boxes? [Re: Inextinctus]
#21898668 - 07/04/15 09:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Inextinctus said:
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Inextinctus said: Cool, just checking. In my head it seemed like a solid idea but for some reason I feel like I should trust you 
That might be why. And .
No.. No I think it's more intimate than that... 
cron is a very handsome man, I can relate, buddy.
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Re: Is There a Flame Sterilization Tek for Still Air Boxes? [Re: Inocuole]
#21898684 - 07/04/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Machiavelliavore
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Re: Is There a Flame Sterilization Tek for Still Air Boxes? [Re: Inextinctus]
#21898850 - 07/04/15 10:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd like to hear an argument against what I'm saying:
Flaming in the box creates more turbulence but less air exchange with the outside. The flame creates a pressure spike in the box that will force a small amount of air out, then suck it back in as the temperature drops again. I highly doubt the amount of air exchanged in this process is anywhere near the air displacement of the volume of two human arms. For each 1 deg C the lighter changes the air temperature, an expected displacement of ~1/300ths of the air volume in the box should occur, or .2qt per deg C in my airbox. I would guess each human arm is around a quart, so the air temperature in the box would have to change by around 10 Celsius to create a similar displacement. Based on PV=nRT.
Since the inside of the box is covered in bleach water/soapy water, there are few locations where mold spores can be resting, except already floating in the air. Outside air that hasn't be sprayed with bleach water probably has significantly higher spore concentration.
If people want to oust/lysol/bleach an entire room and can really shut down any air movement in their house, that probably does make it absolutely better to flame outside. However if there is air movement and you don't wanna get bleach all over your wood floors, cabinets, and food, I think there's an argument for limiting contact with the outside.
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Inextinctus said: Curious to know, with the whole outside/inside air transfers... Wouldn't it make more sense to actually attach your arm covers, whatever they may be, to your box so that there's an air tight seal and you can slide your hands out with ease? No sleeves attached? Keep flammable substances out of the box and boom? (No pun intended)
They're just plastic vegetable bags I slice the end off off and taped them around the holes. They're a little bit floppy, but once my arms are in, there is very little airspace, and it would take an air current paralel in direction to my arms to cause a significant exchange with the air in the box IMO. Because I don't work in an especially clean area, I think it's a solid idea and it works for me. I just keep a lid on a small container of alcohol inside so the fumes don't build up inside the box. I also wear tyvek sleeves to avoid bleach burns or skin particles falling in the box as easily.
re: my credibility, I don't have a lot, I just experiment and quickly discard tactics that don't work. Just my opinion, but opinion not science is mostly what you will get on this specific topic. I'd be curious if greenrabbit has done anything on this, his monotub analysis was impressive.
I've used v-tek, cased straight grains, pf tek for kicks, MSG 3 quart foil pans with CVG, tried grainwater coir. I've made a lot of mistakes from experimenting and doing shit like g2ging an entire container, then pouring fresh grain back in to see if I could get more inoculant out of the scraps, then not noticing that contaminated a bit and screwing over many jars. I've done plenty of stupid shit. I like to see what I can get away with. A lot of it failed, but I don't advise people to do it. Flaming in my 60qt airbox has not caused my any problems that I'm aware of. My syringes, poptop syringe inoculations, and cloning have all been relatively contam free. I did get the best iso I've seen yet from doing something dumb though
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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Mad Season
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Re: Is There a Flame Sterilization Tek for Still Air Boxes? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#21898890 - 07/04/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Machiavelliavore said: Since the inside of the box is covered in bleach water/soapy water, there are few locations where mold spores can be resting, except already floating in the air. Outside air that hasn't be sprayed with bleach water probably has significantly higher spore concentration
why do you think this? It's called a still air box. Not a sterile box for a reason. The whole point is to have still air. The less air moving the better. That includes arms. G2ging with qt jars can even cause too much movement, and has ruined lots of peoples g2g. You want to have as little of a surface area moving around. Thus using bulky gloves or liners is just moving air around more. Wipe a slide with a sanitizer (note not considered a sterilizer) and see how many spores are left. It just looks like you moved them around.
Edited by Mad Season (07/04/15 10:30 PM)
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Machiavelliavore
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Re: Is There a Flame Sterilization Tek for Still Air Boxes? [Re: Mad Season]
#21899043 - 07/04/15 11:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's a statistics game. If the air inside the box has significantly reduced spore count from having bleach mist blasted through it,and the surfaces have been wiped down and subsequently sprayed, it stands to reason that most spores that come to rest on said bleachwater will not be simply agitated into the air again. It could be plain water. The concept is to get them out of the air, then keep'm down regardless of whether you kill them, yes?
It then stands to reason that the spore concentration present in the air in the box should be lower than it is outside where fine mist has not been passed through the air.
I also agree, less air movement is better. The argument is whether it is better to exhange air with the outside or agetate the air inside, which would depend heavily on how much worse the outside air was.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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Re: Is There a Flame Sterilization Tek for Still Air Boxes? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#21899053 - 07/04/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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people want to oust/lysol/bleach an entire room and can really shut down any air movement in their house, that probably does make it absolutely better to flame outside.
Hells yeah! my place looks like an operating room when im done with it and it...
I could probably do without a SAB but what self-respect would i have if i didnt use one
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Mad Season
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Re: Is There a Flame Sterilization Tek for Still Air Boxes? [Re: Toadstool5]
#21899063 - 07/04/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm quite opposite lol. Don't even have sleeves or use sanitizer. Do it in a kitchen or living room. Just in a big ass 110 qt tub. Go soap and water! 
As for the outside air. It is definitely dirty and it will still come in. It should however be still enough inside to fall to the ground. It takes a particle .5 microns at 5 feet high 45 minutes-an hour to fall to the ground. It's a lot better not to stir any air in there. Because particles will be all over and take awhile to settle again. Every millimeter squared has over 200 thousand spores on it. This is also why you NEVER have anything but your scalpel or needle go over open media. It's much better for air to be completely still for the best results. And still for a long ass time.
Edited by Mad Season (07/04/15 11:19 PM)
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Re: Is There a Flame Sterilization Tek for Still Air Boxes? [Re: Mad Season]
#21899118 - 07/04/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thats something i always watch too.
I work as high up as i can and thats with non-porous flooring and counters. The floor is essentially disgusting when you think about it, fuck the three second rule
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