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OfflineCliftonGK1
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Re: They say do what you love...... [Re: PDU]
    #21899772 - 07/05/15 05:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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My personality necessitates that i follow my passion - I've tried going to the "easy" route (trades) and I simply cannot do it. I do not like the lifestyle, the work, or the people - the general mentality in the trades is disagreeable to me...

**I am not implying that there's anything wrong with trades, rather that if I hate my life my quality of life is obviously very poor....




You say you're not implying anything wrong with trade careers, yet you called it the "easy" route, and said you find everything about it disagreeable, right down to the people performing them.
As a tradesman who has previously worked in the corporate side of life, I find it a bit offensive; but everyone's entitled to their opinion.  I feel much the same way about the cubicle and corporate laboratory life I left behind.  Couldn't stand anything about it for another day.
But it's the concept of calling trades the "easy" route which irks me.  Sure, there are plenty of people (in any field) who reach a level of secure mediocrity and prefer to stagnate there until retirement.  The mark of a true craftsman is a constant desire to do better at their work, and continually learn more.  This holds steady for any trade field as well.  There's always more to learn, and ways to get better.  That's what sets the true masters apart from the rest of their field.


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Re: They say do what you love...... [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #21899957 - 07/05/15 07:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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However going into a new trade school or college is almost completely dependent on what's going to be a solid,well suited,naturally inclined job. Usually one that makes good money, most things that make real good money in unions and such are boring AF.


What I really what to do is be a historian,anthropologist or something to do with marine life.  All those things however I hear are often unreliable and you don't get paid much.

So should I get a job that I don't necessarily want to do but makes good money or should I do something that I will have to work extra hard at and making less money but something that I have passion for?




I got over myself and will just take on any job that is out there now.

On the side I self-study but I should really get back to schooling myself so I can get a bachelor. Perhaps if I master Japanese and get a bachelor I could visit the country in 8 years.

Then you are always tired and selling your soul to the highest bidder (time vs money).

It's a cruel predicament but my family is poor and I will never make much money anyway.

Here's to always being tired and not doing what you want! :cheers:

Seriously take the job you have a passion for, get the experience and if you can get promotions, even better!


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Re: They say do what you love...... [Re: Beanhead]
    #21900101 - 07/05/15 08:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

people always overcomplicate things. keep it simple.


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Re: They say do what you love...... [Re: Beanhead]
    #21900181 - 07/05/15 09:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Lucky for me I've always loved IT and programming, I'm making strides in my career but damn am I tired of some of the superiors I have. They have terrible time allocation techniques and keep fucking everything up. Maybe I just need a new company.


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Re: They say do what you love...... [Re: PDU]
    #21900259 - 07/05/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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What i meant to say is:

Find a passion which has decent job prospects.



True that. It's a balance for sure. You May Have to compromise at some point, but generally speaking, it's doable to find rewarding employment in both economic and psychological sense if you're somewhat talented. Consider all aspects of work and not just the trade or subject that is at the core. For instance, if you like interacting with people, many many jobs can give satisfaction and you can simply choose a line of work that is also inherently interesting to you.


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Re: They say do what you love...... [Re: CliftonGK1]
    #21901665 - 07/05/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You say you're not implying anything wrong with trade careers, yet you called it the "easy" route, and said you find everything about it disagreeable, right down to the people performing them.
As a tradesman who has previously worked in the corporate side of life, I find it a bit offensive; but everyone's entitled to their opinion.  I feel much the same way about the cubicle and corporate laboratory life I left behind.  Couldn't stand anything about it for another day.
But it's the concept of calling trades the "easy" route which irks me.  Sure, there are plenty of people (in any field) who reach a level of secure mediocrity and prefer to stagnate there until retirement.  The mark of a true craftsman is a constant desire to do better at their work, and continually learn more.  This holds steady for any trade field as well.  There's always more to learn, and ways to get better.  That's what sets the true masters apart from the rest of their field.




Perhaps you are misreading what i mean, or perhaps not. I'll justify my statement:

  • Tax breaks for each level of apprenticeship completed.
  • Tax refund on tools bought.
  • Minimal schooling required (minimal cost).
  • Well paid training wage; "earn to learn".
  • Recognized international credential; ability to ply your trade anywhere
  • Limited barrier to entry; very limited academic prerequisite required.
  • Minimal time commitment before becoming a ticketed journeyperson.


In nearly every respect it is easier/cheaper/faster and more certain to get a trade than to get a degree, much less an advanced degree and a well paying meaningful position in the sciences and/or as part of the white collar/intellectual economy.

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and said you find everything about it disagreeable, right down to the people performing them.




Not sure if this is an accurate paraphrase or not. In general i've found the interactions i've had with trades people to be less than stimulating and often times downright disappointing. You cannot deny that there is a "meat head" mentality in many trades. I've worked with solid people as well but in general people in the trades are pretty "rough". I've met very few older trades people who absolutely LOVE their career and have not destroyed their bodies. Perhaps my experience isn't representative of the greater blue collar world, who knows?

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As a tradesman who has previously worked in the corporate side of life, I find it a bit offensive; but everyone's entitled to their opinion.  I feel much the same way about the cubicle and corporate laboratory life I left behind.  Couldn't stand anything about it for another day.




There you go - different strokes for different folks. I am in no way offended that you prefer a different work life than me.

To be clear - I also do not want a corporate/cubicle life either. My father has the perfect balance as a fisheries biologist: field work/office work, informal atmosphere, flexible schedule, down to earth co-workers, meaningful work, exciting field work, intellectually stimulating work, good quality co-workers, great wage and benefits.

I want to follow in his footsteps more or less.

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But it's the concept of calling trades the "easy" route which irks me.  Sure, there are plenty of people (in any field) who reach a level of secure mediocrity and prefer to stagnate there until retirement.  The mark of a true craftsman is a constant desire to do better at their work, and continually learn more.  This holds steady for any trade field as well.  There's always more to learn, and ways to get better.  That's what sets the true masters apart from the rest of their field.




I work for a TOP international timber framing company who employs japanese temple builders - the absolute top of their craft who work in a "world class" facility with "cutting edge tools".

Ultimately they aren't making very good money in comparison to the value of the product they produce. They stand all day cutting out angles, crawling over/under things and moving heavy pieces of wood. It is dusty and we wear masks/respirators all day, it is hot, dim, dirty - they are overworked and under-appreciated.

These people are the top of their craft and I would NEVER want to be in their position....

Hey - maybe they love it?

Sometimes they look pretty tired.....

I believe that trades require a certain mentality to enjoy (for example 19y/o cousin making $119,000/year dislikes his job). Anyone can do it - but to enjoy it takes a certain kind of person. The rewards are there 100% - and all the power to those who love it. It is not for me. I've gone out on a limb hoping to find something which "jives" more with my mentality/lifestyle... Maybe i'll find it, maybe not.

I have a friend who is an iron worker welder and he gets excited about large iron structures. Super talented and reputable - stand up guy. He doesn't like the work place culture either and would prefer to do something like music therapy....


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Re: They say do what you love...... [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21901757 - 07/05/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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people always overcomplicate things. keep it simple.




It's how I am, simple is boooorrriinnnggg :laugh:


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Re: They say do what you love...... [Re: Beanhead]
    #21901809 - 07/05/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i didn't say live simple, be simple, i said "people overcomplicate things (hence) keep it simple (or keep things simple).

you can have something extraordinarily complex and even complicated thought processes and experience's come out from very simple ideas.


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Re: They say do what you love...... [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #21901908 - 07/05/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you do not have any felonies and are ok with not smoking weed, you can go the healthcare route. You can get a very quick and cheap degree at a community college.

You have the satisfaction of getting decent money quickly. You have the satisfaction of being in a professional career, meaning you are well educated. Tons of better doors open up right away.

:shrug:


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Re: They say do what you love...... [Re: EDM]
    #21903939 - 07/06/15 03:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That's another road block is I have been needing medical cannabis everyday for 7 years for legitimate medical problems. The alternative is to go back on the 7 meds I gave up for cannabis. Those meds made my life unbearable so that's not an option.


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Re: They say do what you love...... [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #21903983 - 07/06/15 04:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I tried doing what I thought I loved when I was younger. 

then I got older and found my true strength and motivations in life and realized that that was a terrible career choice for me. 

Sometimes even the best laid plans end up being wrong.:shrug: But I still think it's the best bet to make long range plans and work to achieve them.  So I am changing my career and doing something that I love and maximizes my innate abilities. 


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Re: They say do what you love...... [Re: PDU]
    #21908414 - 07/07/15 06:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Perhaps you are misreading what i mean, or perhaps not.





Reading over your explanation, it was a misunderstanding on my part.  When I see someone describe trade/craft/labour jobs as the "easy" route, I make an automatic assumption that they're looking down upon that job and/or the person performing it.  But that's not the case with you. 
Sorry for blowing up like that.


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