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Gauging / Testing Potency
    #21897057 - 07/04/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Welcome to my journal, yall. Well... I will get straight to the point...

This journal will consist of 3 parts:


1. How to Test Your Shrooms

2. Different Level of Trips/Potency

3. (The conclusion) - Why I believe my methods are true


1. How to test your shrooms[/gradient]

So you grow shroomies or bought some off someone... How much do you take? How do you determine if they're good or not?

Cubes come in a variety of different strains and may have different genetics. I compare them to people. Some people are born retarded, some are born average, and some are born gifted. That is the genetics... Some cubes are just weak, some are average, and some are purely, magic.

The environmental aspects (Their fruiting conditions: temperature, air exchange, etc.) also plays a role in their optimal potential.

So PLEASE take that in mind before you go eating 10 grams hoping to get a visual, euphoric, spiritual trip. Trust me... You do NOT  want to go eating 10 grams of a retarded genetic strain in hopes to get wonderful colors flashing before your eyes.


So how I test my shrooms. I eat 1.7 grams of dry cubes. I weigh about 115 lbs so take that into consideration as well. 1.7 grams is more than enough for me to decide whether or not you have a good strain on your hands or a garbage strain.

So, a few things determine whether or not a strain is garbage or potent to me...\

The Sound Test... Listen to music -

On a scale of 1-10 how does music make you feel? 1 being annoying to 10 being euphoric.

The Visual Test...

-OEV's (open eye visuals) I like to turn on all the black lights, strobe lights, lasers, and music visualizers in my room. Also, duh, look at nature, the sky, whatever else with open eyes. OEV's are the more common of the visuals.

-CEV's (closed eye visuals) how intense are the closed eye visuals? You know you have an extremely potent strain on your hands when the closed eye visuals are non stop. Weird looking aliens, animals, people, are constantly popping in to say hi. Fractals of geometric colored patterns are flashing before your eyes non stop. CEV's are more rare and are the main determining factor whether or not you have a good strain.

On a scale of 1-10 how does the visuals make you feel? 1 being annoying to 10 being euphoric. A combination of both OEVs and CEVs is what you're really after...



The Feels Test

Anxiety and Nausea - On a scale of 1-10 how much anxiety and nausea do you have? 10 being you just feel sick to your mind and body

Euphoria and Bliss - On a scale of 1-10 how euphoric and happy do you feel? 10 being the happiest


2. Different Level of Trips/Potency

So i eat 1.7 grams to determine what level trip the cubes provide.

1. Weak - EGO DEATH. Loss of personality. Worrisome. extreme nausea and anxiety. No CEV's, barely any OEV's. Twisted thought patterns making me want the trip to end (or life). Music sounds annoying. In fact, everything is annoying. Not wanting to be around people. Isolation.

2. Semi- Weak - nausea and anxiety is somewhat tolerable. CEVs are barely visible. A little bit of colors and patterns emerge from the blackness once in awhile, but not that fun. OEV's are present but not that fun. Music is just meh.

3. Average - Nausea and anxiety is present.... But also, switches to periods of euphoria and happiness. CEV's are more apparent but still vague. OEV's are decent. Nature looks trippy, lights look trippy, TV is trippy. Music is trippy. Everything is just trippy. You can't decide if you're happy or miserable. You're in the middle (average). Oh and btw... Music is trippy.

4. Semi Strong - Nausea and anxiety is slightly present but the majority of the time you feel happy. Makes you want to get up and do things. When you don't mind going to a club or rave or being in public in general. OEV's are euphoric. Watching tv is fun as hell, looking at the sky/nature is amazing. Light shows are amazing. Music is just AMAZING. The important factor is you mainly feel happy here....

5. Strong - NO NAUSEA OR ANXIETY ARE PRESENT. EXTREME FEELINGS OF BLISS AND EUPHORIA. FEELINGS OF CONNECTED WITH THE UNIVERSE AND ENLIGHTENMENT. FEELING PURPOSE IN LIFE IS FOUND. CURES DEPRESSION. MAKES YOU WANT TO LIVE. EXTREMELY SPIRITUAL. OEV'S MAKE EVERYTHING EUPHORIC (LIGHTS, NATURE WILL HAVE YOU CRYING). CEV'S ARE NON STOP AND VIVID AND EXTREMELY COLORFUL. YOU SHOULD BE SEEING COLORS EVERYWHERE, THINGS YOUR MIND HAS NEVER EVEN FATHOMED WOULD APPEAR BEFORE YOUR VERY EYES. MUSIC WILL HAVE SEMEN COMING OUT OF YOUR EARS. YOU'LL PROBABLY HAVE A STRONG URGE TO REPRODUCE ON EARTH BECAUSE LIFE IS JUST TOO BEAUTIFUL. TO PUT IT SIMPLY.... MAGIC.


3. (The conclusion)

In short... If you're serious about potency... which I think every cultivator should be serious about... You'll want to find fruits that look like this:






This is the level 5 trip mushroom I was trying to explain... It's extremely rare. Like most gifted people in this world. This is like the Jesus of mushrooms. The Buddha or Michael Jackson. Notice how they start pinning from my CAKE. extremely huge and fat pins full of magic. These were all from 1 multispore cake. Different flushes provide different shaped mushrooms but the consistency in potency and magic were all across the board, IDENTICAL.


Here are a few pictures of my other grows.




You can see how the different strains all look different in shapes, sizes, potency from my ms grows...

Look at all these and then look at my potent fruit... Notice how special that level 5 trip fruit looks compared to all the other ones. This is how you gauge potency by simply, the appearance of the fruit, imo...


Anyways... There's probably a lot more to talk about but I'm getting lazy. For anyone who read the whole thing... Thanks and I hope you enjoy your journey in finding potent fruits. Any questions or comments just lmk I guess.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21897125 - 07/04/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

What if I did bulk and they look like this?



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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Grey]
    #21897154 - 07/04/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That looks about a level 3 trip to me... Nice looking fat fruits but the caps and stem is too uniform looking like all those other grows I did that were moderate in potency.

Are you working with a clone or is that ms? Have you tried the fruits yet? Can I get a trip report please? :begger::crazy:


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21897247 - 07/04/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

where did my comments go? did you have them deleted?

anyway you can SEE potency, thats the dumbest thing you've said so far.

and again do you throw away batches of your "bad trip genetics" mushrooms?
or do you save yourself the hazzle and just throw 'em out before harvest because you can see they are "bad trip mushrooms" :rofl:


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: spacechildo]
    #21897259 - 07/04/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

your comments are in my journal here... http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21897019


I posted this in the MC section also...


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21897264 - 07/04/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

but here it is again for you spacechildo:


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lol... To answer your question... I burn all my grows in the fire pit in my back yard. I would not ever sell or give away bad shrooms with disgusting trips. I hate taking those trips myself and I would not want others to have those same trips. Then you get people on youtube posting their bad trips and disgracing the mushroom name

But yeah... I know for sure bad trips don't come from my head, set or setting. It's genetics.

If you look at the pictures of the potent strain i posted above... flush after flush after flush the potency was bomb as fuck and IDENTICAL. No matter where i ate them or how i was feeling. It was really out of this world magic.





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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: spacechildo]
    #21897268 - 07/04/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

WHen you've grown a variety of strains you can start seeing for yourself the traits and appearances of the mushroom and can SOMEWHAT how potent they are by looks. This is just me... Of course YOU probably can't see it as you are giving me the most absurd opinions on potency.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21897271 - 07/04/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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But yeah... I know for sure bad trips don't come from my head, set or setting. It's genetics.




so you could have a laughing euphorical trip in your kids funeral just because the shrooms dont have bad trip genetics?


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21897281 - 07/04/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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WHen you've grown a variety of strains you can start seeing for yourself the traits and appearances of the mushroom and can SOMEWHAT how potent they are by looks. This is just me... Of course YOU probably can't see it as you are giving me the most absurd opinions on potency.




OK, I'll play along, how potent are these shrooms then?


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21897286 - 07/04/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You are ignoring the human side of the equation. Was your biological state the exact same for each of these tests?

I like the enthusiasm but this is pseudoscience. If you could see potency you wouldn't be the first person to figure it out...


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: spacechildo]
    #21897294 - 07/04/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No it'll probably be horrible but at the same time a lot better with this euphoric magic level 5 trip. TRUTH

I'll probably feel sorry and bad but at the same time have some spiritual connection with the dead telling me everything is ok and that death is a natural part of life on this kind of trip.


Judging by those shrooms.... Many short shrooms.... many clusters... You'd think they were a bad trip but the fact that they are unique and rare looking... I would say around a level 4 trip which is pretty colorful and fun...



So which is it? Good or bad? Can I get a trip report?


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    #21897304 - 07/04/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You can't really believe this. I think you are just trying to get someone riled up.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: OPB]
    #21897305 - 07/04/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You are ignoring the human side of the equation. Was your biological state the exact same for each of these tests?

I like the enthusiasm but this is pseudoscience. If you could see potency you wouldn't be the first person to figure it out...





I'm not saying im the first person to figure it out... I'm probably the only one that talks about it at this time. My biological state was the same for each of the tests. I was shrooming out once a week with this strain and all across the board the potency was pure magic. :awecid:


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: OPB]
    #21897307 - 07/04/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

how do you explain people eating the exact same isolates and 1 starts bad tripping while the other one has a blast?


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21897309 - 07/04/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You can't really believe this. I think you are just trying to get someone riled up.






My intention is not to rile anyone up. I am not a troll. I believe mushrooms can save the world if used properly and I want to spread the love. My intentions are pure. :namaste:


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: spacechildo]
    #21897323 - 07/04/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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how do you explain people eating the exact same isolates and 1 starts bad tripping while the other one has a blast?




In this instance... one person can have a positive mindset while the other a negative one... One person is lying about his trip. The one saying he's having a blast is probably lying. He probably  doesn't want to seem like he can't handle the trip so he'll tell everyone he's having the time of his life vs the other guy has no reason to lie. He's just saying exactly how he feels (which is horrible).

they both should be feeling the exact same thing if the genetics are the same.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21897337 - 07/04/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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how do you explain people eating the exact same isolates and 1 starts bad tripping while the other one has a blast?




And how do you explain me having repeated the same trip on salvia, mushrooms, acid, and DMT?

Judging potency by appearance is ridiculous.

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they both should be feeling the exact same thing if the genetics are the same.




You must be joking


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21897343 - 07/04/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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One person is lying about his trip. The one saying he's having a blast is probably lying. He probably  doesn't want to seem like he can't handle the trip so he'll tell everyone he's having the time of his life vs the other guy has no reason to lie. He's just saying exactly how he feels (which is horrible).

they both should be feeling the exact same thing if the genetics are the same.




thats just stupid. have you ever had a bad trip and sat there laughing your ass off telling everyone you were fine?
you dont know what you're talking about. I'm done with this.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21897352 - 07/04/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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OPB said:
You are ignoring the human side of the equation. Was your biological state the exact same for each of these tests?

I like the enthusiasm but this is pseudoscience. If you could see potency you wouldn't be the first person to figure it out...





I'm not saying im the first person to figure it out... I'm probably the only one that talks about it at this time. My biological state was the same for each of the tests. I was shrooming out once a week with this strain and all across the board the potency was pure magic. :awecid:




You can't control your biological state so no it was not the same. Also you can't be unbiased because you had a preconceived notion going in. If you take some shrooms  that you think have "bad genetics" then of course they will seem that way.

If you were serious about this you would create a realistic scale (1-10 is too many for a likert, they need to be basic characteristics not specific descriptions) then have someone else powder a "good genetics" strain and a "bad" one. If you can reliably identify which is which over a number of trials then maybe we can take you seriously. This is how you become credible and what you should have done before posting this. Incredible claims require incredible evidence.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #21897357 - 07/04/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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spacechildo said:
how do you explain people eating the exact same isolates and 1 starts bad tripping while the other one has a blast?




And how do you explain me having repeated the same trip on salvia, mushrooms, acid, and DMT?

Judging potency by appearance is ridiculous.

Quote:

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they both should be feeling the exact same thing if the genetics are the same.




You must be joking




I'm not joking... Judging by appearance is only ONE!!!!! ONE way to determine potency... The biggest factor is eating them...


SPACECHILDO, here is another explanation for you ok? I mean you no harm bro. I'm just being as hoenst as I can be.


My friends always eat my shrooms and have a blast on them... But i always think those same fruits are garbage... REASON??? My bar for potency is a lot higher than all of theirs... Because I've had the ultimate strain and they have not... And when you've seen that kind of trip... all other trips pale in comparison. So they'll feel high and think the shrooms are good but in reality.,.. they are mediocre at best.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21897365 - 07/04/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Interesting thread. I'll be back


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: OPB]
    #21897375 - 07/04/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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OPB said:
Quote:

6Silent9Knight6 said:
Quote:

OPB said:
You are ignoring the human side of the equation. Was your biological state the exact same for each of these tests?

I like the enthusiasm but this is pseudoscience. If you could see potency you wouldn't be the first person to figure it out...





I'm not saying im the first person to figure it out... I'm probably the only one that talks about it at this time. My biological state was the same for each of the tests. I was shrooming out once a week with this strain and all across the board the potency was pure magic. :awecid:




You can't control your biological state so no it was not the same. Also you can't be unbiased because you had a preconceived notion going in. If you take some shrooms  that you think have "bad genetics" then of course they will seem that way.

If you were serious about this you would create a realistic scale (1-10 is too many for a likert, they need to be basic characteristics not specific descriptions) then have someone else powder a "good genetics" strain and a "bad" one. If you can reliably identify which is which over a number of trials then maybe we can take you seriously. This is how you become credible and what you should have done before posting this. Incredible claims require incredible evidence.




Bro i'm no scientist. I just like to shroom out and help ppl to the best of my ability. You can say it's all in my head all you want... I can see you think i'm flat out stupid and you don't want to believe someone who doesn't have any credible background or evidence. So believe what you want. I know for a fact this is true.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21897377 - 07/04/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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SPACECHILDO, here is another explanation for you ok? I mean you no harm bro. I'm just being as hoenst as I can be.


My friends always eat my shrooms and have a blast on them... But i always think those same fruits are garbage... REASON??? My bar for potency is a lot higher than all of theirs... Because I've had the ultimate strain and they have not... And when you've seen that kind of trip... all other trips pale in comparison. So they'll feel high and think the shrooms are good but in reality.,.. they are mediocre at best.




that's something completely different. you still cant see potency
nor does a batch of mushrooms have bad trip genetics.
I bet you're doing MS grows and all your fruits vary in each tub but you just dont know what genetics is.

I call BS on everything you say, bet you have tried mushrooms once and didnt even past threshold dosage. :leaving:


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: spacechildo]
    #21897385 - 07/04/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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6Silent9Knight6 said:
SPACECHILDO, here is another explanation for you ok? I mean you no harm bro. I'm just being as hoenst as I can be.


My friends always eat my shrooms and have a blast on them... But i always think those same fruits are garbage... REASON??? My bar for potency is a lot higher than all of theirs... Because I've had the ultimate strain and they have not... And when you've seen that kind of trip... all other trips pale in comparison. So they'll feel high and think the shrooms are good but in reality.,.. they are mediocre at best.




that's something completely different. you still cant see potency
nor does a batch of mushrooms have bad trip genetics.
I bet you're doing MS grows and all your fruits vary in each tub but you just dont know what genetics is.

I call BS on everything you say, bet you have tried mushrooms once and didnt even past threshold dosage. :leaving:





LOL.... I'm not saying you can see potency... I'm saying my theory on how to gauge potency on appearance is by how unique they look. Unique mushrooms give unique experiences. It's the rare magical trips you're after so you want the rare and unique looking mushrooms. See ya man


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: spacechildo]
    #21897388 - 07/04/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Damn double thread! I thought you deleted my cliff jumping comment and such lol.


Either way I will just say it again....

Fuck all the analyzing and enjoy. Its that simple.


....and no two people have the same brain chemistry so no two people will experience the same trip....you trip with a bunch of people and there is almost always one who feels the need to break away from the group.

Good thread for trolling though!


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    #21897394 - 07/04/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So how much are you selling your Super Buddah Jesus prints for?


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: SublimeLBC]
    #21897400 - 07/04/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You're a buffoon...
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Damn double thread! I thought you deleted my cliff jumping comment and such lol.


Either way I will just say it again....

Fuck all the analyzing and enjoy. Its that simple.


....and no two people have the same brain chemistry so no two people will experience the same trip....you trip with a bunch of people and there is almost always one who feels the need to break away from the group.

Good thread for trolling though!




Saying everyone's brain chemistry is different is like saying im human and you're not. We're all humans. That's like saying 2 people will smoke the same weed yet one gets high vs one doesn't.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: newrook]
    #21897408 - 07/04/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So how much are you selling your Super Buddah Jesus prints for?




Unfortunately, I didn't take prints of this. OR A CLONE. This was my first grow EVER. I didn't know any better. That legendary magical strain is lost. 3 years later I'm still looking for it. All my grows since have been no where near that level.

Do take note that for my first grow ever... It literally felt like I won the lottery. That's how rare this strain is. No one seems to even know what this trip is like... That's how rare it is. Just want to put it out there that this strain does exist and I am not trolling.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21897409 - 07/04/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You're a buffoon...
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SublimeLBC said:
Damn double thread! I thought you deleted my cliff jumping comment and such lol.


Either way I will just say it again....

Fuck all the analyzing and enjoy. Its that simple.


....and no two people have the same brain chemistry so no two people will experience the same trip....you trip with a bunch of people and there is almost always one who feels the need to break away from the group.

Good thread for trolling though!




Saying everyone's brain chemistry is different is like saying im human and you're not. We're all humans. That's like saying 2 people will smoke the same weed yet one gets high vs one doesn't.



Really? That's a competent argument? We are all human yet we aren't all rapists, killers, schizos, violent, happy, depressed, whatever we are all differently fucked up in unique ways.

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    #21897416 - 07/04/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That's exactly what can happen. I need to smoke a shit ton to even feel anything most of the time and my buddy can't do more than 1 bowl.

Same dude needs minimum 5 grams to trip and I get raped with 4g


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    #21897423 - 07/04/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Saying everyone's brain chemistry is different is like saying im human and you're not. We're all humans. That's like saying 2 people will smoke the same weed yet one gets high vs one doesn't.





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    #21897424 - 07/04/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You're a buffoon...
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Damn double thread! I thought you deleted my cliff jumping comment and such lol.


Either way I will just say it again....

Fuck all the analyzing and enjoy. Its that simple.


....and no two people have the same brain chemistry so no two people will experience the same trip....you trip with a bunch of people and there is almost always one who feels the need to break away from the group.

Good thread for trolling though!




Saying everyone's brain chemistry is different is like saying im human and you're not. We're all humans. That's like saying 2 people will smoke the same weed yet one gets high vs one doesn't.



Really? That's a competent argument? We are all human yet we aren't all rapists, killers, schizos, violent, happy, depressed, whatever we are all differently fucked up in unique ways.

Which means we won't experience things in the same mindset or manner.




Biologically we are all the same. Ppl drink alcohol to get drunk, ppl smoke weed to get high, ppl do shrooms to trip balls.

Environmentally we are all different because of our upbringing. Many environmental factors can shape the human behavior.


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Saying everyone's brain chemistry is different is like saying im human and you're not. We're all humans. That's like saying 2 people will smoke the same weed yet one gets high vs one doesn't.





Dude you need to go to school or something, that may have been the most uneducated thing I have ever read here





You thinking I never went to school is the most ignorant statement i've ever read here.


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    #21897432 - 07/04/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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That's exactly what can happen. I need to smoke a shit ton to even feel anything most of the time and my buddy can't do more than 1 bowl.

Same dude needs minimum 5 grams to trip and I get raped with 4g




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    #21897433 - 07/04/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

HOW TO TEST POTENCY:
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    #21897443 - 07/04/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Serious question but do you believe what you are saying?

Sounds like you may be pretty sheltered if you believe such things. I could keep going on down this road but I feel like its gonna turn into me beating a dead horse.

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Well considering he's smoked everyday for 2 years longer than me, I'm sure it isn't tolerance. It's brain chemistry..


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    #21897458 - 07/04/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You can't see potency. I've grown bunk fruits that looked almost identical to fruits that were almost too potent. Also true ego death doesn't come until level 5. some of the things you described like bening annoyed or nauseas are more related to set and setting than potency. I've taken pounds and pounds of both very week and very strong cubes in both low and high doses. Really the only part of your writ up that rang true based on my experience is the part about closed eye visuals. That is my main gauge for potency. If I want to test potency I take 3 to 4 grams in total darkness. If I don't get strong CEV I don't grow the culture again.


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    #21897465 - 07/04/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Tell me, oh wise one, how potent are these!?


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You can't see potency. I've grown bunk fruits that looked almost identical to fruits that were almost too potent. Also true ego death doesn't come until level 5. some of the things you described like bening annoyed or nauseas are more related to set and setting than potency. I've taken pounds and pounds of both very week and very strong cubes in both low and high doses. Really the only part of your writ up that rang true based on my experience is the part about closed eye visuals. That is my main gauge for potency. If I want to test potency I take 3 to 4 grams in total darkness. If I don't get strong CEV I don't grow the culture again.




3-4 grams is a lot man... experiencing ego death is my indication of a bad trip, especially with that amount. I simply don't like those. A good trip will have you loving yourself and everyone around you. That in my opinion is a good trip, along with the feeling of euphoria connected with visuals, sounds.


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    #21897496 - 07/04/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yup. Slight variances but my experience has always been that there are really two different potencies, ones grown in optional conditions under human influence, then the garbage people grab out in a field. It could be a local thing because they started treating the grain or something after a bunch of high school kids got caught with a garbage bag full of them back in 02.

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Tell me, oh wise one, how potent are these!?






That looks like a level 1 or 2 trip to me... Have you taken them yet? Got a trip report?

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    #21897500 - 07/04/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think you should look into other drugs if all you want is to have a good time. I told you this in the last thread. They're called a trip for a reason. Not a high, which is what you're describing.


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    #21897501 - 07/04/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You need to eat so much you destroy your ego and overcome "the fear" its the only way.


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    #21897504 - 07/04/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This is beyond stupid if you actually believe you can say how hard someone is going to trip from a picture of a grow.

You just said you have only had 1 grow, where did you pick up this magical potency vision ability?


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    #21897524 - 07/04/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I think you should look into other drugs if all you want is to have a good time. I told you this in the last thread. They're called a trip for a reason. Not a high, which is what you're describing.




Wait... So you guys trip to... not have a good time?

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You need to eat so much you destroy your ego and overcome "the fear" its the only way.




That's not the only way. Only one of the many.

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This is beyond stupid if you actually believe you can say how hard someone is going to trip from a picture of a grow.

You just said you have only had 1 grow, where did you pick up this magical potency vision ability?




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    #21897537 - 07/04/15 04:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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No, I did not just say I've only had 1 grow. No where in this thread did I say that. Reread and then get back to me. Then we can determine whose stupid and whose not.




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Do take note that for my first grow ever... It literally felt like I won the lottery. That's how rare this strain is. No one seems to even know what this trip is like... That's how rare it is. Just want to put it out there that this strain does exist and I am not trolling.




You're a joke bro.


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That's exactly what can happen. I need to smoke a shit ton to even feel anything most of the time and my buddy can't do more than 1 bowl.

Same dude needs minimum 5 grams to trip and I get raped with 4g




Sounds like a tolerance issue.




Tolerance is by definition an example of how humans biological states (brain chemistry) differ. It is literally different levels of endogenous chemicals, enzymes, and receptors between individuals that cause tolerance differences.


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    #21897566 - 07/04/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It just sounds like you want to feel good. Which is a high. It's not really like that with psychedelics. It's about earning that high. I do have a good time, but only after experiencing hell first. I take them to expand myself. To go past any barriers I put on myself, to get past habits, and work to make myself a better person.

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    #21897596 - 07/04/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)


average potency


low potency


insanely high potency.


average potency


most potent cubes ever grown.


very low potency


very low potency


slightly above average potency


very high potency


very high potency

You honestly think you would be able to tell how potent these fruits were without the labels.

oh and 3 grams is a child's dose. When I want to trip I take a dry ounce of very strong cubs. Ego death is a good thing. It's the whole point of tripping IMO. Leaving yourself behind so you are open to what the universe has to show you. It is only achievable at the highest level of trip.


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    #21897600 - 07/04/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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No, I did not just say I've only had 1 grow. No where in this thread did I say that. Reread and then get back to me. Then we can determine whose stupid and whose not.




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Do take note that for my first grow ever... It literally felt like I won the lottery. That's how rare this strain is. No one seems to even know what this trip is like... That's how rare it is. Just want to put it out there that this strain does exist and I am not trolling.




You're a joke bro.




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Unfortunately, I didn't take prints of this. OR A CLONE. This was my first grow EVER. I didn't know any better. That legendary magical strain is lost. 3 years later I'm still looking for it. All my grows since have been no where near that level.






I was talking about my first grow but i've had many grows after that. You're the joke.


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    #21897632 - 07/04/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Muda/Mad Season,

I understand that you guys like the trips with ego death because it teaches you things. But all I'm saying is that there are better trips out there that don't involve high doses that give you that ego death feeling. That feeling where you feel like you're dying and leave your body and all that jazz.

The most potent strain and trips I've had have cured my depression, anxiety, gave me purpose in life without the hellish ego death.

Like I said... A true level 5 trip doesn't have the slightest bit of anxiety or nausea. Nothing but colors, euphoria, and enlightenment.


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    #21897643 - 07/04/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:facepalm: obvious troll is obvious. :bye:


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So how much are you selling your Super Buddah Jesus prints for?




Unfortunately, I didn't take prints of this. OR A CLONE. This was my first grow EVER. I didn't know any better. That legendary magical strain is lost. 3 years later I'm still looking for it. All my grows since have been no where near that level.

Do take note that for my first grow ever... It literally felt like I won the lottery. That's how rare this strain is. No one seems to even know what this trip is like... That's how rare it is. Just want to put it out there that this strain does exist and I am not trolling.




Dang man I myself have never seen a legit level 5 mushroom in person... I am lucky to even get full ego death.

You are so lucky to get that on your first ever BRF cakes it really says something about the grower to be that lucky.

Thank you for this tek I will try and find a way for the mods to look into giving you a trusted cultivator tag, im not sure how though I am a noob


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    #21897681 - 07/04/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

OP, interesting topic. Not very good backing it up though. And the guys of cult won't budge unless rr tells them to.

My mark is 2.5 of non pe variety mushrooms.
2.5 of golden teachers always give me the same inspiring, visual trip.
2.5 of Argentina always give me a mild visual, heavy body high that just feels really good.
2.5 of mexi cubes always give me a floaty, enjoyable time with no visuals.
2.5 PESA always knock me on my ass to where i can't move. And allow me to see rainbows on white ceilings.
And any amount of pe ass rape my mind.

I've tripped less than a thousand times, but well over several hundred times.

So op, start over. Great topic, shitty follow through.
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    #21897682 - 07/04/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've tripped much harder than most. I've had pleasant trips and hellishly painful ones. The hellish introspective nightmare trips were always more rewarding. but to each their own. The levels are based on potency and intensity of a trip not weather it is good or bad. Also weather a trip is painful or euphoric has nothing to do with the strain. I've had good and difficult trips from the same dose of the same strain. It's all about set and setting.


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    #21897692 - 07/04/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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:facepalm: obvious troll is obvious. :bye:




LOL ok I love trolling cuz it benefits me so well. mmhmmm... laters.


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So how much are you selling your Super Buddah Jesus prints for?




Unfortunately, I didn't take prints of this. OR A CLONE. This was my first grow EVER. I didn't know any better. That legendary magical strain is lost. 3 years later I'm still looking for it. All my grows since have been no where near that level.

Do take note that for my first grow ever... It literally felt like I won the lottery. That's how rare this strain is. No one seems to even know what this trip is like... That's how rare it is. Just want to put it out there that this strain does exist and I am not trolling.




Dang man I myself have never seen a legit level 5 mushroom in person... I am lucky to even get full ego death.

You are so lucky to get that on your first ever BRF cakes it really says something about the grower to be that lucky.

Thank you for this tek I will try and find a way for the mods to look into giving you a trusted cultivator tag, im not sure how though I am a noob





Thanks newrook! For being the only guy on my side in this thread it seems.

Yeah man i was truly blessed to experience something that beautiful. I wish I would've known better and cloned it.  :facepalm3:

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    #21897704 - 07/04/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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OP, interesting topic. Not very good backing it up though. And the guys of cult won't budge unless rr tells them to.

My mark is 2.5 of non pe variety mushrooms.
2.5 of golden teachers always give me the same inspiring, visual trip.
2.5 of Argentina always give me a mild visual, heavy body high that just feels really good.
2.5 of mexi cubes always give me a floaty, enjoyable time with no visuals.
2.5 PESA always knock me on my ass to where i can't move. And allow me to see rainbows on white ceilings.
And any amount of pe ass rape my mind.

I've tripped less than a thousand times, but well over several hundred times.

So op, start over. Great topic, shitty follow through.
Plus 5 for the stir.




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    #21897709 - 07/04/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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the guys of cult won't budge unless rr tells them to.




Fuck that shit I have disagreed with a lot of what RR had to say for a long time. He  has done some good and helped a lot of people get started but he's no myco god. I don't know any decent cultivator who still gives a rats ass what RR has to say.


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    #21897723 - 07/04/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Obviously thay wasn't meant towards you muda


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21897727 - 07/04/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

And I thought I was a noob  :rofl:

Sorry, but a lot of the shit you're saying is extremely comical. Appearance has absolutely nothing to do with potency, and the fact that you tried to tell someone how strong they're shrooms are by a picture goes to show you probably shouldn't be writing a tek.


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    #21897728 - 07/04/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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the guys of cult won't budge unless rr tells them to.




Fuck that shit I have disagreed with a lot of what RR had to say for a long time. He  has done some good and helped a lot of people get started but he's no myco god. I don't know any decent cultivator who still gives a rats ass what RR has to say.



I am not commenting on RR's abilities or knowledge but he provided enough videos and information to spark a new generation of growers who may not be here today had he not did what he was doing.

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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21897735 - 07/04/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

lol.... I have respect for RR. He taught me the basics but some of the info he spews is also horribly wrong.

One of them being... : many aborts have more magic in them than single huge fruits. :facepalm3:


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21897738 - 07/04/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Plus 5 for the stir.




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    #21897749 - 07/04/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have respect for some of the things he did but I would never use any of his methods today.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21897758 - 07/04/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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lol.... I have respect for RR. He taught me the basics but some of the info he spews is also horribly wrong.

One of them being... : many aborts have more magic in them than single huge fruits. :facepalm3:



except that that's true.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: RPW]
    #21897761 - 07/04/15 05:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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And I thought I was a noob  :rofl:

Sorry, but a lot of the shit you're saying is extremely comical. Appearance has absolutely nothing to do with potency, and the fact that you tried to tell someone how strong they're shrooms are by a picture goes to show you probably shouldn't be writing a tek.




Yeah it's always funny when the majority is talking down the minority. Yall seem to have no room for improvement it seems. You guys are set in stone on your beliefs and that's no way to be improving on the evolution of this hobby or evolution anywhere else in life.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21897768 - 07/04/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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6Silent9Knight6 said:
lol.... I have respect for RR. He taught me the basics but some of the info he spews is also horribly wrong.

One of them being... : many aborts have more magic in them than single huge fruits. :facepalm3:



except that that's true.




It could be true in some instances if the strain was potent to begin with but I've taken many small aborts before because of what he said and compared them to the big fruits. No difference in potency or anything at all imo :shrug:


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    #21897779 - 07/04/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Anyways, Happy July 4th yall. I'm about to eat some boomers and go to Santa Cruz to watch fireworks over the beach. See ya later. :bye:


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21897806 - 07/04/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah it's always funny when the majority is talking down the minority. Yall seem to have no room for improvement it seems. You guys are set in stone on your beliefs and that's no way to be improving on the evolution of this hobby or evolution anywhere else in life.




My ways are not set in stone at all. Not only for this hobby, but for anything in life. But until you've proven something works and it's backed up my multiple experiments from multiple sources, it means close to nothing to me. And I know with certainty that judging a mushrooms psilocybin\psilocin content based on its appearance is just completely asinine. The only way you'll be able to know is to eat them or get them analyzed.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21897861 - 07/04/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This is so obviously a troll. Yeah I'm sure we'll evolve mushrooms to make a drug that doesn't give you a trip. :rolleyes: It'll only make you feel good. We'll call it a high.

You haven't listened to a single thing anyone's said and found ways to argue with skewed logic. Even if you aren't aware you are a troll, you still are.

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I've tripped much harder than most. I've had pleasant trips and hellishly painful ones. The hellish introspective nightmare trips were always more rewarding. but to each their own. The levels are based on potency and intensity of a trip not weather it is good or bad. Also weather a trip is painful or euphoric has nothing to do with the strain. I've had good and difficult trips from the same dose of the same strain. It's all about set and setting.



Oh and when someone says something that's deadly accurate like this, about mindset and setting, you ignore it. In fact in your last thread I said the same thing.. you ended up ignoring it and making this thread.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21897900 - 07/04/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

aww, thats on the low end of your potency eye? :mad:

will have to test on the guinea pigs this week :shrug:


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    #21898244 - 07/04/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Im going to isolate a strain that guarantees ego death and sell spore prints for $100  :cactuarrun:


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #21898601 - 07/04/15 09:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

OP, the shrooms I showed you just after the first post were a PEU clone. They are no where near "mid-grade".

I ate 22g fresh. I know I'm in for a trip when the ringing in my ears gets louder and it feels like my forehead took a bow. I don't think eye balling for potency is a thing, but whatever makes your trip comfortable.

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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Grey]
    #21900197 - 07/05/15 09:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This forum has gone to shit....the people on here now its just....its just...I don't know what to say.


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    #21900272 - 07/05/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

OP didnt even mention the most important aspect of gauging fruits potency, which is evening out the natural differences

If you want to dose any kind of plant product reliably, you have to either grind it up and mix or move into solution
Only then does comparing trips from the same batch even make sense, especially with MS shrooms


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    #21900276 - 07/05/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Everyone knows that the best way to test cube potency is rectal dosing.  That's why everyone likes PE so much.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21900531 - 07/05/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think the OP has to take into account the likelihood that at the time you found these super duper shroomers, you were in a place psychologically in your life that made you more receptive to what you now term a "magical trip."  And maybe they were really good mushrooms, but I find it relatively hard to believe that a mushroom that has double the potency of another mushroom produces a radically different experience than simply double the amount of the "weaker" mushroom.  Maybe eating double the dose fresh could upset your stomach, but if they're dried, made into a tea, that becomes very unlikely. 

When my system is clean, I am thinking clearly, meditating regularly, exercising a lot, eating well, drinking minimally and, in general, not doing a lot of chemical harm to my body, it takes very low doses to go to the really good places.  The condition of my mind and body has MUCH MORE to do with the dosage needed and quality of trip than the quality of the mushroom … Obviously, terrible mushrooms don't count, but I'm assuming most of the people here are growing stuff that's better than terrible.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21902191 - 07/05/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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oh and 3 grams is a child's dose. When I want to trip I take a dry ounce of very strong cubs. Ego death is a good thing. It's the whole point of tripping IMO. Leaving yourself behind so you are open to what the universe has to show you. It is only achievable at the highest level of trip.




Can we go back to this being said without gaining any attention? 28 dried grams of mushrooms... As a regular dose....
¬¬ Seems legit.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
    #21902295 - 07/05/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Don't knock it till you've tried it. Mega dose trips are actually pretty relaxing. You completely lose the ability to fight the trip and become very open and accepting to what the mushrooms are trying to show you. I've had far more difficult trips on doses of 4 grams or less than I have on double digit doses. Like RR said, mushrooms are food eat till you're full.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21902467 - 07/05/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Wow this thread is an abortion. Even PE can be weak. I had a PE clone that was completely bunk. But it doesn't happen very often. So even the penis phenotype is not a guaranteed way to tell potency by looks. Sounds to me like the OP needs to grow more, eat more, and experience more.


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    #21902770 - 07/05/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't ascribe to the mystic spirituality of drugs. You wanna believe there is actual magic there, that's your subjective dogma. It doesn't place it anywhere in a concept of factual basis. Perhaps you have an unnatural tolerance to psilocybin, but what you are suggesting is the equivalent of saying that in order to understand what acid is about, you should eat a ten strip.
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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
    #21902829 - 07/05/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I didn't say anything about spirituality. I use mushrooms as a form of psycho therapy. They help me get in touch with the dark recesses of my subconscious and sort through my issues. My tolerance is average. I can trip on a gram or two but extreme doses take it to another level. There is nothing better than the clarity experienced during the afterglow of an extreme dose trip. Oh and taking ten hits of acid is pretty great too. If you like to just have a few laughs and see some pretty colors that's fine but I like to leave my body and go to another world.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
    #21904536 - 07/06/15 08:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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oh and 3 grams is a child's dose. When I want to trip I take a dry ounce of very strong cubs. Ego death is a good thing. It's the whole point of tripping IMO. Leaving yourself behind so you are open to what the universe has to show you. It is only achievable at the highest level of trip.




Can we go back to this being said without gaining any attention? 28 dried grams of mushrooms... As a regular dose....
¬¬ Seems legit.




?? Sounds pretty normal... When I actually want to trip its at least a half oz dry.


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    #21904651 - 07/06/15 09:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Everyone knows that the best way to test cube potency is rectal dosing.  That's why everyone likes PE so much.



:lol:

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oh and 3 grams is a child's dose. When I want to trip I take a dry ounce of very strong cubs. Ego death is a good thing. It's the whole point of tripping IMO. Leaving yourself behind so you are open to what the universe has to show you. It is only achievable at the highest level of trip.




Can we go back to this being said without gaining any attention? 28 dried grams of mushrooms... As a regular dose....
¬¬ Seems legit.


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    #21904671 - 07/06/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

We'll see how my bulk tub does and I'll give half a spin. But shit man, a quarter was enough to make me get dissociative at the peak. Probably just a personal issue here, but how do you cope with compulsive squirmy-ness. On mushrooms its as if my body is trying in vain to reassemble itself into a new form. Its similar to when I'm coming down from acid, where I feel like I'm sitting six inches in front of myself making every face, form and gesture at once. Makes me think of Avalokiteshvara, the 1000 armed woman... I mean I get used to it but it freaks people out when you can't use words properly and you're twisting around on the floor.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
    #21904720 - 07/06/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

http://countyourculture.com/2012/02/17/biosynthesis-4-substituted-tryptamine-derivatives/ linked to me by Coincidentiaoppositorum THis is from "jochen gartz" Experiments conclude that if DET is introduced into a substrate it actually changes the outcome of p cubes to 4 ho det and 4 po det. As you can see the levels vary and seem to be a little high compared to 4 po dmt that's found in cubes.

Ive always thought the potency relied mostly on nutrients consumed by the mycelia. A lot of people get varying results but the substrate itself could be lacking in nutrients from one sub/grow to the next. As you can see from the work of "jochen gartz".  Whats in the sub can most defiantly change the outcome, even to a compound that has never been found in nature before.


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    #21904772 - 07/06/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There is so much wrong with that "experiment" that it doesn't deserve to be dignified with that term. No controls and lack of repeatability suggests that it is simply junk science.


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    #21904778 - 07/06/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Do you have any idea whos work you just called "junk science"?


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
    #21904810 - 07/06/15 10:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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We'll see how my bulk tub does and I'll give half a spin. But shit man, a quarter was enough to make me get dissociative at the peak. Probably just a personal issue here, but how do you cope with compulsive squirmy-ness. On mushrooms its as if my body is trying in vain to reassemble itself into a new form. Its similar to when I'm coming down from acid, where I feel like I'm sitting six inches in front of myself making every face, form and gesture at once. Makes me think of Avalokiteshvara, the 1000 armed woman... I mean I get used to it but it freaks people out when you can't use words properly and you're twisting around on the floor.




Stretching and generally taking better care of my body has helped a lot with body load, both with acid and mushrooms.

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    #21904906 - 07/06/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Do you have any idea whos work you just called "junk science"?




Its not repeatable. Stamets and Gartz have both reversed their positions on many things already. I have much respect for both but they will be the first to admit they can be wrong. Until more studies that are better controlled and can be repeated come about, that will remain as a mere observation nothing more.

I was perhaps a little sharp with my assessment but I'm sick of seeing that thing being trotted out. Its not only inconclusive, its also hardly a potency solution for the average cultivator. The beauty of growing actives is the ability to produce psilocybin from easy to obtain materials. Focus should be on genetics.


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    #21904993 - 07/06/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well the process does have a german patent and is recognized in the community as well as A.shulgin.
Focus is determined by the user:shrug: He also has a patent on increased psilocin production with the addition of tryptamine.


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    #21905020 - 07/06/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Preschooler, you realize you linked to a site that posted a summary of a study that was already posted on this site.

https://files.shroomery.org/cms/Biotransformation_of_tryptamine_derivatives.pdf

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As far as talking to people or worrying what they think, it's one of the reasons I prefer to be alone when I'm going deep.




I try to have someone sober around when I trip just so they can intervene in the event of something stupid happening, like someone who is tripping grabbing car keys and making a move toward the door.

Should probably try the stretching thing


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
    #21905026 - 07/06/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Stretching or yoga on psychedelics is great.

I really don't like sober people around. Unless they've tripped a lot and understand what it's like.
Sober people make me sober when I'm tripping. Just can't get into the right mindset with the bullshit some people talk about.


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    #21905036 - 07/06/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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OP didnt even mention the most important aspect of gauging fruits potency, which is evening out the natural differences

If you want to dose any kind of plant product reliably, you have to either grind it up and mix or move into solution
Only then does comparing trips from the same batch even make sense, especially with MS shrooms


whatever, its a troll thread and i feel kinda bad for bumping





Grinding the shrooms up does not matter bro... Mixing it with other solutions don't either. Just weigh it out to the exact same amount in grams :facepalm3:


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
    #21905037 - 07/06/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I almoste always trip alone. I don't generally take more than a quarter in social situations. I defenetly don't trip with sober or drunk people.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #21905056 - 07/06/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

To anyone in this thread that has mentioned stretching, being in the right state of mind or setting, or something that has to do with body chemistry... That's your opinion. Not just that but it's your placebo. I stand firm in my beliefs... I have tried different strains. Multiple times of the same strain to be sure if it's all in my head or if the specific strain produces a specific high and 90% of the time, i honestly feel that certain strains give certain highs. Which is also the reason why ppl like growing different strains?????


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
    #21905071 - 07/06/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Preschooler, you realize you linked to a site that posted a summary of a study that was already posted on this site.

https://files.shroomery.org/cms/Biotransformation_of_tryptamine_derivatives.pdf

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As far as talking to people or worrying what they think, it's one of the reasons I prefer to be alone when I'm going deep.




I try to have someone sober around when I trip just so they can intervene in the event of something stupid happening, like someone who is tripping grabbing car keys and making a move toward the door.

Should probably try the stretching thing


yea I realize... its the whole download of the process. I guess its commonly accepted that enriched soil for plants can increase vit/mineral/alkaloid production but fungi aren't included??:shrug:


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21905072 - 07/06/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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We'll see how my bulk tub does and I'll give half a spin. But shit man, a quarter was enough to make me get dissociative at the peak. Probably just a personal issue here, but how do you cope with compulsive squirmy-ness. On mushrooms its as if my body is trying in vain to reassemble itself into a new form. Its similar to when I'm coming down from acid, where I feel like I'm sitting six inches in front of myself making every face, form and gesture at once. Makes me think of Avalokiteshvara, the 1000 armed woman... I mean I get used to it but it freaks people out when you can't use words properly and you're twisting around on the floor.




Stretching and generally taking better care of my body has helped a lot with body load, both with acid and mushrooms.

As far as talking to people or worrying what they think, it's one of the reasons I prefer to be alone when I'm going deep.



Yeah I always get the feeling people are thinking I'm insane. Probably because I feel insane :evil:

Maybe measuring change in pupil size could be an objective way to gauge potency.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21905128 - 07/06/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I will give those all a read again. But I have seen enough studies on alkaloid production of fungi suggesting that the ability of the organisim to convert triptamine to alkaloids is not only limited by genetics ability to convert It but also by how bio available it is. Some species have even been shown to have limitations based on the availability of other elements in the substrate.

At any rate its not really relevant to the discussion at hand. We are talking about psilocybin production, not the conversion of DET to DMT. Its interesting as an exercise but in practice, why the hell would i go to the trouble of obtaining that to make DMT when I can simply grow a strong isolate on free materials and make all the psilocybin i could want, especially considering most people are growing mushrooms to obtain psilocybin. Might be that I'm being picky but I would rather produce something out of cheap and easily obtained materials.

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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #21905202 - 07/06/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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http://countyourculture.com/2012/02/17/biosynthesis-4-substituted-tryptamine-derivatives/ linked to me by Coincidentiaoppositorum THis is from "jochen gartz" Experiments conclude that if DET is introduced into a substrate it actually changes the outcome of p cubes to 4 ho det and 4 po det. As you can see the levels vary and seem to be a little high compared to 4 po dmt that's found in cubes.

Ive always thought the potency relied mostly on nutrients consumed by the mycelia. A lot of people get varying results but the substrate itself could be lacking in nutrients from one sub/grow to the next. As you can see from the work of "jochen gartz".  Whats in the sub can most defiantly change the outcome, even to a compound that has never been found in nature before.





Just Fyi, substrate does not affect potency. At all. That legendary magical strain I grew was from brown rice flour, vermiculite, and water. Nothing more. nothing less. It was my first grow also. I didnt do anything out of the ordinary.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21905204 - 07/06/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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To anyone in this thread that has mentioned stretching, being in the right state of mind or setting, or something that has to do with body chemistry... That's your opinion. Not just that but it's your placebo. I stand firm in my beliefs... I have tried different strains. Multiple times of the same strain to be sure if it's all in my head or if the specific strain produces a specific high and 90% of the time, i honestly feel that certain strains give certain highs. Which is also the reason why ppl like growing different strains?????




Set and Setting isn't some bullshit the Shroomery pulled out of it's ass.  It's been documented since the 50s when Grof and many others were doing clinical trials on LSD and other psychedelics.

The fact is, set and setting is the most important thing in life, tripping or not.  It's your environment and your attitude that determines everything.  They work together and aren't separate.  Two sides of one coin.  It's also the Dharma Seals in a nutshell.

That said, if you go in with the mindset that these shrooms gave me a bad trip last time or these ones rocked my socks, your SET is influencing your trip.

Now please follow Pasty's advice...

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    #21905212 - 07/06/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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When my system is clean, I am thinking clearly, meditating regularly, exercising a lot, eating well, drinking minimally and, in general, not doing a lot of chemical harm to my body, it takes very low doses to go to the really good places.  The condition of my mind and body has MUCH MORE to do with the dosage needed and quality of trip than the quality of the mushroom … Obviously, terrible mushrooms don't count, but I'm assuming most of the people here are growing stuff that's better than terrible.




I always fast for at least a day, generally closer to two before I embark. I've been fasting since 4pm yesterday for my 4pm experience tomorrow. Not only will it hit you harder and faster, but you also take out variables that are unquantifiable. Also it's part of the whole deal for me- call it religious if you want to, but it also sets your mind on the trip you are going to have. Every time you get hungry, you just go "ah, I don't need to eat because tomorrow I'll fly!"

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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21905235 - 07/06/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Set and Setting isn't some bullshit the Shroomery pulled out of it's ass.  It's been documented since the 50s when Grof and many others were doing clinical trials on LSD and other psychedelics.

The fact is, set and setting is the most important thing in life, tripping or not.  It's your environment and your attitude that determines everything.  They work together and aren't separate.  Two sides of one coin.  It's also the Dharma Seals in a nutshell.

That said, if you go in with the mindset that these shrooms gave me a bad trip last time or these ones rocked my socks, your SET is influencing your trip.







Set and setting is important but it doesn't make your trip good or bad depending on your mind set. What determines most is how the strain is potency wise.

Set and setting is a gimmick the shroomery has passed around and people believed it like the gospel. I don't care how long that info has been passed around... People also believed back then that the world is flat and blacks should be slaves. I've tested it many times and found it to be false on many occasions. You don't know how many times I went into a trip with the perfect mind set, and setting only to be disappointed. I'm not pulling my experiences out of my ass either.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21905240 - 07/06/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

just when you thought this thread couldn't get any worse... :rolleyes:


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: spacechildo]
    #21905243 - 07/06/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21905281 - 07/06/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I've tested it many times and found it to be false on many occasions. You don't know how many times I went into a trip with the perfect mind set, and setting only to be disappointed. I'm not pulling my experiences out of my ass either.




Grof administered LSD over a 1,000 times.  Leary's numbers are probably similar.  I imagine a lot of these tests used LSD from the same batch.

You knock the evidence that they gathered in controlled environments as placebo but can't admit the possibility of your own bias.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21905283 - 07/06/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21905298 - 07/06/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I've tested it many times and found it to be false on many occasions. You don't know how many times I went into a trip with the perfect mind set, and setting only to be disappointed. I'm not pulling my experiences out of my ass either.




Grof administered LSD over a 1,000 times.  Leary's numbers are probably similar.  I imagine a lot of these tests used LSD from the same batch.

You knock the evidence that they gathered in controlled environments as placebo but can't admit the possibility of your own bias.





I've never tried LSD before so I can't say anything about that but as far as mushrooms... I can vouch for that.

I've also put myself through controlled experiments. MYSELF, not others. I've gone through a shit ton of trips. Enough to the point where I am comfortable and confident in everything I say.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21905318 - 07/06/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It would only be truly a controlled experiment if you isolated a strain through cloning for a few runs and had administered those whilst angry, happy, sad and indifferent in an isolation chamber, outside, your living room, and at a club/concert.

I consider myself to be a "trusted tripper"- having imbibed well over 100 times- but by no means was it scientific. The only thing I can say is my very best experiences were when we had planned everything out to a T, waited for the weather to be perfect, and was in a good and happy place in my life.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21905322 - 07/06/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Although one of those times we growing up a solid stem as fat as my fist. Like- I haven't even seen anything on here that comes close to that behemoth. Wish they had thrown the cap in too, bitch would've been dinner plate size most likely


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21905332 - 07/06/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I was confident I was Jesus Christ one night.

Anyway I should have known better than to get serious in this thread.

CEVs aren't that rare.  OEVs aren't that rare.  You didn't mention disassociation at all which signals to me that you have no idea what a strong dose of mushrooms even is.  You also mixed up ego death with anxiety.  Your observations about nausea are way off (90% of serotonin receptors are in our gut, stronger psychedelics generally cause more nausea). 

I think you're gauging nothing but set and setting...  and basing your trip off how pretty you think the mushroom is.  :laugh2:


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21905386 - 07/06/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I was confident I was Jesus Christ one night.

Anyway I should have known better than to get serious in this thread.

CEVs aren't that rare.  OEVs aren't that rare.  You didn't mention disassociation at all which signals to me that you have no idea what a strong dose of mushrooms even is.  You also mixed up ego death with anxiety.  Your observations about nausea are way off (90% of serotonin receptors are in our gut, stronger psychedelics generally cause more nausea). 

I think you're gauging nothing but set and setting...  and basing your trip off how pretty you think the mushroom is.  :laugh2:





Yeah I've had the disassociation ego death trips you've talked about. I went to jail peaking on an eighth. That was filled with anxiety. Melted. Didn't know who I was or where I was at. I didn't think that was worth mentioning but since you wanted to know, here you go.

Perhaps you should tell me what your best CEV's were like and i'll tell you if they are common or rare.

Man you guys I don't mean to come off as a dick, that wasn't my intention. I just came here to share my thoughts and experiences for anyone that might need it. I apologize if I'm sounding a lil to crude in shooting down information shared with me. I want yall to know that I do appreciate it.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21905485 - 07/06/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm sorry for being a dick too.  Set and setting is very well researched.  Some of the leading research being done now it still plays a large role in, as much if not more so than dosage.  Rick Doblin said in an interview that the FDA is looking to regulate set and setting as part of the clinical usage of these drugs.

http://psychedeliccultures.com/2013/01/19/the-state-of-psychedelic-research-an-interview-with-rick-doblin/

Last week I crushed up the bottom of one of my old stashes and weighed it out.  I lemon tekked eight grams and had a 'bad trip'.  I basically got interrupted while sorting my shit out.

Yesterday I took the other eight grams from the same bag, lemon tekked it again.  I was nervous, I knew I was going to be diving back in where I left off to finish figuring shit out.  But this time I had the house to myself so I put together a playlist and took the plunge.

The trip had its ups and downs but as it started to finish up I felt I'd sorted things out.

As far as CEVs, I basically break them up into three 'levels'.  Level 1 is 'fractal' space.  I can get this off weed too.  Level 2 is 'visionary space'.  This is more like lucid dreaming but from an almost third person perspective.  Level 3 is 'dissociative space'.  Hard to explain because it's not even CEV at this point really as touch and other sensations start to mix in.  Plus my train of thought and memory are pretty minimal at this level.  All three levels exist within a spectrum.  Level 1 opens into level 2, level 2 into level 3.  There may be more beyond that.  That's as deep as I've gone.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21905557 - 07/06/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

We good man... We good
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I'll finish looking at the article later... So far it's an interesting read but I'm at work right now. Toodles

Oh btw...

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As far as CEVs, I basically break them up into three 'levels'.  Level 1 is 'fractal' space.  I can get this off weed too.  Level 2 is 'visionary space'.  This is more like lucid dreaming but from an almost third person perspective.  Level 3 is 'dissociative space'.  Hard to explain because it's not even CEV at this point really as touch and other sensations start to mix in.  Plus my train of thought and memory are pretty minimal at this level.  All three levels exist within a spectrum.  Level 1 opens into level 2, level 2 into level 3.  There may be more beyond that.  That's as deep as I've gone.





There are deeper levels... Belee dat. But like I said... It's extremely rare.... But definitely worth the search.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21905562 - 07/06/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you doubt the impact set and setting has on your trip, just look at how much the bathroom effect can impact your trip


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    #21905668 - 07/06/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If you doubt the impact set and setting has on your trip, just look at how much the bathroom effect can impact your trip





Right! Bathrooms are weird!!!! The only exception is my parents guest bathroom- it has the trippiest wallpaper I've ever seen in my life!


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    #21905682 - 07/06/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This doesn't seem like it belongs in cultivation.

Back to the topic you could take genetics from bunk shrooms and then select weird physical traits to get "unique" bunk shrooms so clearly it isn't an indicator of potency.


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    #21905698 - 07/06/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

When I talk about unique I am not talking about deformity. Deformity or those mutant fruits to me is usually an indicator of bad environmental factors or bad genetics which equal a bad trip.


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    #21905882 - 07/06/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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To anyone in this thread that has mentioned stretching, being in the right state of mind or setting, or something that has to do with body chemistry... That's your opinion. Not just that but it's your placebo. I stand firm in my beliefs... I have tried different strains. Multiple times of the same strain to be sure if it's all in my head or if the specific strain produces a specific high and 90% of the time, i honestly feel that certain strains give certain highs. Which is also the reason why ppl like growing different strains?????




Believing that each strain produces a "unique" trip that is sole to that strain, is the placebo effect. You seem to think strains of cubes are like strains of MJ.

Set, setting, and body chemistry are placebos? Those aren't opinions. How the HELL can you call body chemistry a placebo?

Do you honestly believe that if a take a mushroom, and then my friend who is bi-polar eats the same mushrooms, you think we are going to have the same trip?

And the genetics of the mushroom don't determine if you have a bad trip. Thats silly


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    #21906255 - 07/06/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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To anyone in this thread that has mentioned stretching, being in the right state of mind or setting, or something that has to do with body chemistry... That's your opinion. Not just that but it's your placebo. I stand firm in my beliefs... I have tried different strains. Multiple times of the same strain to be sure if it's all in my head or if the specific strain produces a specific high and 90% of the time, i honestly feel that certain strains give certain highs. Which is also the reason why ppl like growing different strains?????




Believing that each strain produces a "unique" trip that is sole to that strain, is the placebo effect. You seem to think strains of cubes are like strains of MJ.

Set, setting, and body chemistry are placebos? Those aren't opinions. How the HELL can you call body chemistry a placebo?

Do you honestly believe that if a take a mushroom, and then my friend who is bi-polar eats the same mushrooms, you think we are going to have the same trip?

And the genetics of the mushroom don't determine if you have a bad trip. Thats silly




By that kinda logic it doesnt matter what strain anybody grows because they are all the same in having the potential to be good or bad depending on the set n setting and vendors are just trying to rip ppl off by selling a gazillion diff strains. But u can clearly see if you've grown different  strains that there are varying differences in POTENCY and not just that but the PHYSICAL APPEARANCE of the fruit body as well.

Man i feel like the guy thats seen an actual alien but no one believes me since "aliens arent real cuz ive never seen em."


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21906288 - 07/06/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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6Silent9Knight6 said:
To anyone in this thread that has mentioned stretching, being in the right state of mind or setting, or something that has to do with body chemistry... That's your opinion. Not just that but it's your placebo. I stand firm in my beliefs... I have tried different strains. Multiple times of the same strain to be sure if it's all in my head or if the specific strain produces a specific high and 90% of the time, i honestly feel that certain strains give certain highs. Which is also the reason why ppl like growing different strains?????




Believing that each strain produces a "unique" trip that is sole to that strain, is the placebo effect. You seem to think strains of cubes are like strains of MJ.

Set, setting, and body chemistry are placebos? Those aren't opinions. How the HELL can you call body chemistry a placebo?

Do you honestly believe that if a take a mushroom, and then my friend who is bi-polar eats the same mushrooms, you think we are going to have the same trip?

And the genetics of the mushroom don't determine if you have a bad trip. Thats silly




By that kinda logic it doesnt matter what strain anybody grows because they are all the same in having the potential to be good or bad depending on the set n setting and vendors are just trying to rip ppl off by selling a gazillion diff strains.




You are starting to get it! That's exactly what's happening. Yes some might have slights potency advantages but not by much assuming you are talking the same species.


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    #21906316 - 07/06/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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    #21906326 - 07/06/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21906345 - 07/06/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

ugh... whatever than....

SET AND SETTING YOU GUYS!!! IT'S ALL IN YOUR HEAD!!!! POTENCY DOESN'T EXIST!!!


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21906409 - 07/06/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You can certainly work with agar to select specific genetics and up potency. You just can't start with spores and then assess potency based on appearance.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: OPB]
    #21906456 - 07/06/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

lol, you can tell OP is trolling when his conclusion to this discussion is a sarcastic "potency doesnt exist". classic troll bait..


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21906684 - 07/06/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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6Silent9Knight6 said:
We good man... We good
              :toast:

I'll finish looking at the article later... So far it's an interesting read but I'm at work right now. Toodles

Oh btw...

Quote:

As far as CEVs, I basically break them up into three 'levels'.  Level 1 is 'fractal' space.  I can get this off weed too.  Level 2 is 'visionary space'.  This is more like lucid dreaming but from an almost third person perspective.  Level 3 is 'dissociative space'.  Hard to explain because it's not even CEV at this point really as touch and other sensations start to mix in.  Plus my train of thought and memory are pretty minimal at this level.  All three levels exist within a spectrum.  Level 1 opens into level 2, level 2 into level 3.  There may be more beyond that.  That's as deep as I've gone.





There are deeper levels... Belee dat. But like I said... It's extremely rare.... But definitely worth the search.




How many levels do you think there are?

I think it's pretty obvious to everyone here the wealth of information you have at your disposal. Some people you can just tell from the way that they write and phrase sentences that they are smart. You may be shaking the grounds of a lot of peoples beliefs on this forum, so expect them to come across as defensive.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: newrook]
    #21906742 - 07/06/15 07:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I want to know what compounds the OP thinks cause a bad trip and which ones contribute to a good one.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21906784 - 07/06/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:whathesaid:


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21906827 - 07/06/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:creepylurker:


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969] * 1
    #21907041 - 07/06/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This thread was hard to read. Op, potency does exist, but the best way to ensure a potent strain is through isolation of strains. You cannot judge potency by look or appearance.

Some of the things that you describe as being qualities of a bad trip are really just qualities of tripping in general. The good has to be taken with the bad. Sometimes you feel nauseous. I find that fighting those feelings of anxiety, nausea, and ego death usually intensify them even more. Just relax and let the trip envelop you.

Usually all my trips start with slight feelings of anxiety and nausea, then it passes. I've also never had a bad trip as you've described. Just a different experience than what I was expecting and it can be slightly scary or intimidating. I find fighting those feelings makes it worse.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: natedawgnow]
    #21907193 - 07/06/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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natedawgnow said:
This thread was hard to read. Op, potency does exist, but the best way to ensure a potent strain is through isolation of strains. You cannot judge potency by look or appearance.

Some of the things that you describe as being qualities of a bad trip are really just qualities of tripping in general. The good has to be taken with the bad. Sometimes you feel nauseous. I find that fighting those feelings of anxiety, nausea, and ego death usually intensify them even more. Just relax and let the trip envelop you.

Usually all my trips start with slight feelings of anxiety and nausea, then it passes. I've also never had a bad trip as you've described. Just a different experience than what I was expecting and it can be slightly scary or intimidating. I find fighting those feelings makes it worse.




I've only had one bad trip- it was on LSD and I was around the wrong people. I pulled myself out of it when the 20 somethin. Hour trip turned into daytime and I was alone, outside, watching the sunrise.

I too, get that feeling of anxiety on the come up, which is why I like to occupy myself with something until whatever it is becomes too difficult to do, then I just sit back and enjoy.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21907606 - 07/06/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

6Silent9Knight6 uses troll...

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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21907705 - 07/06/15 10:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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6Silent9Knight6 said:
3-4 grams is a lot man... experiencing ego death is my indication of a bad trip, especially with that amount. I simply don't like those. A good trip will have you loving yourself and everyone around you. That in my opinion is a good trip, along with the feeling of euphoria connected with visuals, sounds.




All I can think, is that this must be a troll,
Since this does not even begin to express what "Ego Death" is for an experienced tripper.

When an individual consumes doses greater than five grams of any good and potent Cubensis, especially if they have made tea with ginger and lemon to lessen stomach discomfort, and fasted for at least five hours prior, to lessen other intestinal issues.

That there is a point early on, when (What some refer to as Ego Death)  where you simply slip your human shackles, and cease to be yourself, You can recognize who you were, but you are not that person, it becomes as if you are a spirit being looking through these eyes of a  spacesuit of flesh and blood, and you recognize that for instance,

I am only Lazarus Long, because my parents told me from a very young age that, this will be your name, and then school, and friends, and coworkers kept reinforcing the concept, that I was Lazarus Long, but in what is commonly referred to as "Ego Death", you quite simply stop being you, You are in a more free spirit mode and are given a quite subjective look at your own life.

There is nothing scary or undesirable about this level of the experience, once you have grown to accept this deep of an inner journey, in fact for many (Psychonauts) this is precisely what is being striven for!

I am beginning to think that (6Silent9Knight6) is a joke account, and that this thread does not belong in cultivation, but the Pub, or The Psychedelic Experience, or some other Board.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #21907800 - 07/06/15 11:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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newrook said:
Quote:

6Silent9Knight6 said:
We good man... We good
              :toast:

I'll finish looking at the article later... So far it's an interesting read but I'm at work right now. Toodles

Oh btw...

Quote:

As far as CEVs, I basically break them up into three 'levels'.  Level 1 is 'fractal' space.  I can get this off weed too.  Level 2 is 'visionary space'.  This is more like lucid dreaming but from an almost third person perspective.  Level 3 is 'dissociative space'.  Hard to explain because it's not even CEV at this point really as touch and other sensations start to mix in.  Plus my train of thought and memory are pretty minimal at this level.  All three levels exist within a spectrum.  Level 1 opens into level 2, level 2 into level 3.  There may be more beyond that.  That's as deep as I've gone.





There are deeper levels... Belee dat. But like I said... It's extremely rare.... But definitely worth the search.




How many levels do you think there are?

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Thanks for the kudos. I would rate where you're at potency wise on your strong trip to be a level 2-3 trip by my standards posted above, out of 5. But like you i believe that there may be even crazier trips out there that I haven't even run into yet.



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I want to know what compounds the OP thinks cause a bad trip and which ones contribute to a good one.




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:whathesaid:



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:creepylurker:




"I want to know what compounds the OP thinks cause a bad trip and which ones contribute to a good one."

Magic can't be measured by science, only observed. The only compounds that determine good or bad trips is your ability to pull the sword from the stone or not. Or if you're lucky enough to give birth to Michael Jackson.

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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21907816 - 07/06/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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This thread was hard to read. Op, potency does exist, but the best way to ensure a potent strain is through isolation of strains. You cannot judge potency by look or appearance.

Some of the things that you describe as being qualities of a bad trip are really just qualities of tripping in general. The good has to be taken with the bad. Sometimes you feel nauseous. I find that fighting those feelings of anxiety, nausea, and ego death usually intensify them even more. Just relax and let the trip envelop you.

Usually all my trips start with slight feelings of anxiety and nausea, then it passes. I've also never had a bad trip as you've described. Just a different experience than what I was expecting and it can be slightly scary or intimidating. I find fighting those feelings makes it worse.



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Quote:

natedawgnow said:


I too, get that feeling of anxiety on the come up, which is why I like to occupy myself with something until whatever it is becomes too difficult to do, then I just sit back and enjoy.




"The best trips I've had consistently with my first grow from flush to flush had no nausea or anxiety whatsoever. Only excitement and euphoria the whole ride." - 6Silent9Knight6


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Lazarus.Long]
    #21907818 - 07/06/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

6Silent9Knight6 said:
All I can think, is that this must be a troll,
Since this does not even begin to express what "Ego Death" is for an experienced tripper.

When an individual consumes doses greater than five grams of any good and potent Cubensis, especially if they have made tea with ginger and lemon to lessen stomach discomfort, and fasted for at least five hours prior, to lessen other intestinal issues.

That there is a point early on, when (What some refer to as Ego Death)  where you simply slip your human shackles, and cease to be yourself, You can recognize who you were, but you are not that person, it becomes as if you are a spirit being looking through these eyes of a  spacesuit of flesh and blood, and you recognize that for instance,

I am only Lazarus Long, because my parents told me from a very young age that, this will be your name, and then school, and friends, and coworkers kept reinforcing the concept, that I was Lazarus Long, but in what is commonly referred to as "Ego Death", you quite simply stop being you, You are in a more free spirit mode and are given a quite subjective look at your own life.

There is nothing scary or undesirable about this level of the experience, once you have grown to accept this deep of an inner journey, in fact for many (Psychonauts) this is precisely what is being striven for!

I am beginning to think that (6Silent9Knight6) is a joke account, and that this thread does not belong in cultivation, but the Pub, or The Psychedelic Experience, or some other Board.





I've had ego death on other substances, never on fungi, even though I usually dose as close to 7g dry as I can. But I understand what you mean.

But a "bad trip" is not the fruits fault and I am also almost offended you would insinuate as such. Not trying to argue but mushies are here for the betterment of mankind, not to make you scared shitless over nothing


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21907825 - 07/06/15 11:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ummm now I am certain you're just a troll. I won't call you a moron so :bye:


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Lazarus.Long]
    #21907854 - 07/06/15 11:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

6Silent9Knight6 said:
3-4 grams is a lot man... experiencing ego death is my indication of a bad trip, especially with that amount. I simply don't like those. A good trip will have you loving yourself and everyone around you. That in my opinion is a good trip, along with the feeling of euphoria connected with visuals, sounds.




All I can think, is that this must be a troll,
Since this does not even begin to express what "Ego Death" is for an experienced tripper.

When an individual consumes doses greater than five grams of any good and potent Cubensis, especially if they have made tea with ginger and lemon to lessen stomach discomfort, and fasted for at least five hours prior, to lessen other intestinal issues.

That there is a point early on, when (What some refer to as Ego Death)  where you simply slip your human shackles, and cease to be yourself, You can recognize who you were, but you are not that person, it becomes as if you are a spirit being looking through these eyes of a  spacesuit of flesh and blood, and you recognize that for instance,

I am only Lazarus Long, because my parents told me from a very young age that, this will be your name, and then school, and friends, and coworkers kept reinforcing the concept, that I was Lazarus Long, but in what is commonly referred to as "Ego Death", you quite simply stop being you, You are in a more free spirit mode and are given a quite subjective look at your own life.

There is nothing scary or undesirable about this level of the experience, once you have grown to accept this deep of an inner journey, in fact for many (Psychonauts) this is precisely what is being striven for!

I am beginning to think that (6Silent9Knight6) is a joke account, and that this thread does not belong in cultivation, but the Pub, or The Psychedelic Experience, or some other Board.




lazarus Long... no.  :lol:  :lmafo:  Don't call me a troll dude. Want me to call you a troll back? Didn't think so. Why play this childish name calling game with me it's pointless... Even though I do think you're a troll. You don't know what a potent cube is really like and that's why you settle for loving ego death trips. Good for you... not for me.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21907869 - 07/06/15 11:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Ummm now I am certain you're just a troll. I won't call you a moron so :bye:




Well what do you think Pasty? What compounds determine good or bad trips? Are you going to say psilocybin and psilocin? I don't know man I'm just throwing shit out there.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969] * 1
    #21907876 - 07/06/15 11:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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"The best trips I've had consistently with my first grow from flush to flush had no nausea or anxiety whatsoever. Only excitement and euphoria the whole ride." - 6Silent9Knight6




Did you seriously quote yourself and sign it? That's not what people who have had ego death do at all.

Dude, you've been branded. Its evident you have no idea what you are talking about. Let go. You remind me a lot of an 18 year old I work with who talks about all the acid and mushrooms he's taken, but freaked out on two hits of MDA.

Magic is only science that has yet to have an explanation. Bad trips, thats not magic, its the science of set, setting, mindset, body chemistry and dose.

Every post you make further reveals the knowledge (or lack of) that you possess. Ignorance is not a crime until you choose it willfully. Let go of your misconceptions and listen to these fine people who know way more about these amazing fungi than yourself.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21907884 - 07/06/15 11:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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newrook said:
Quote:

6Silent9Knight6 said:
We good man... We good
              :toast:

I'll finish looking at the article later... So far it's an interesting read but I'm at work right now. Toodles

Oh btw...

Quote:

As far as CEVs, I basically break them up into three 'levels'.  Level 1 is 'fractal' space.  I can get this off weed too.  Level 2 is 'visionary space'.  This is more like lucid dreaming but from an almost third person perspective.  Level 3 is 'dissociative space'.  Hard to explain because it's not even CEV at this point really as touch and other sensations start to mix in.  Plus my train of thought and memory are pretty minimal at this level.  All three levels exist within a spectrum.  Level 1 opens into level 2, level 2 into level 3.  There may be more beyond that.  That's as deep as I've gone.





There are deeper levels... Belee dat. But like I said... It's extremely rare.... But definitely worth the search.




How many levels do you think there are?

.




Thanks for the kudos. I would rate where you're at potency wise on your strong trip to be a level 2-3 trip by my standards posted above, out of 5. But like you i believe that there may be even crazier trips out there that I haven't even run into yet.



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I want to know what compounds the OP thinks cause a bad trip and which ones contribute to a good one.




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:whathesaid:



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:creepylurker:




"I want to know what compounds the OP thinks cause a bad trip and which ones contribute to a good one."

Magic can't be measured by science, only observed. The only compounds that determine good or bad trips is your ability to pull the sword from the stone or not. Or if you're lucky enough to give birth to Michael Jackson.

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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21907901 - 07/06/15 11:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Pastywhyte said:
Ummm now I am certain you're just a troll. I won't call you a moron so :bye:




Well what do you think Pasty? What compounds determine good or bad trips? Are you going to say psilocybin and psilocin? I don't know man I'm just throwing shit out there.




Psilocin and psilocybin just ensure you trip. Good or bad. I have tripped hundreds of times on mushrooms and LSD. The outcome is dependent on the user more than anything. As muda suggests i don't even feel that the so called bad trips are bad persay. As it is more about frame of mind or set and setting out of the hundreds of experiences I have had, only a fraction have been "dark".


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: piratez]
    #21907906 - 07/06/15 11:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:lol:  :lolz0rz:  :lmafo:  :laugh2:  :rotfl:  :rofl2:  :imslow:  :burke:  :patlal:  :shitbird:  :iamderp:  :kimjongil:  :underage:  :Feelstrippyman:  :trippnballs:  :mustnotfap:  :freshwtf:  :kelsoburn:  :huxleyfacepalm:  :dudewtf:  :feelsweirdman:  :horly:  :hauntingguy:  :magicfingers:  :wouldyoulookatthat:


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21907942 - 07/07/15 12:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well then your an ID 10 T.


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    #21907947 - 07/07/15 12:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I remember when I was in high school and couldn't get beer.


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    #21907966 - 07/07/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You couldn't get beer in high school?


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    #21907976 - 07/07/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I was trying to be funny. The truth is I had a terrible drinking problem =(


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21909036 - 07/07/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I will give those all a read again. But I have seen enough studies on alkaloid production of fungi suggesting that the ability of the organisim to convert triptamine to alkaloids is not only limited by genetics ability to convert It but also by how bio available it is. Some species have even been shown to have limitations based on the availability of other elements in the substrate.

At any rate its not really relevant to the discussion at hand. We are talking about psilocybin production, not the conversion of DET to DMT. Its interesting as an exercise but in practice, why the hell would i go to the trouble of obtaining that to make DMT when I can simply grow a strong isolate on free materials and make all the psilocybin i could want, especially considering most people are growing mushrooms to obtain psilocybin. Might be that I'm being picky but I would rather produce something out of cheap and easily obtained materials.

Anyway thanks for the links. Been a while since I read them, might be good for me to give em another perusal.


The end product is 4-ho-DET upto 3%. So he changed the outcome of the substance with addition of diethyltryptamine"det" a foreign tryptamine.

The whole idea is to realize that fungi in general are heterotrophs or more specifically chemoheterotrophs, hope I spelled that right!!!! They are more similar to us than they are to plants. Obtaining most and in some case all of there energy from the organisms or dead plant matter around them. If they don't have it...they will die. Just like we would die or in general be unhealthy.
SO if the nutrients are not there, the synthesis and general quality of life will falter and or possibly die. We can keep staring into this petri dish all day and ignoring the 100's of food sources. But at the end of the day the evidence is staring us in the face.

One more reference to break it down https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_nutritional_groups


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    #21909236 - 07/07/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I will give those all a read again. But I have seen enough studies on alkaloid production of fungi suggesting that the ability of the organisim to convert triptamine to alkaloids is not only limited by genetics ability to convert It but also by how bio available it is. Some species have even been shown to have limitations based on the availability of other elements in the substrate.

At any rate its not really relevant to the discussion at hand. We are talking about psilocybin production, not the conversion of DET to DMT. Its interesting as an exercise but in practice, why the hell would i go to the trouble of obtaining that to make DMT when I can simply grow a strong isolate on free materials and make all the psilocybin i could want, especially considering most people are growing mushrooms to obtain psilocybin. Might be that I'm being picky but I would rather produce something out of cheap and easily obtained materials.

Anyway thanks for the links. Been a while since I read them, might be good for me to give em another perusal.


The end product is 4-ho-DET upto 3%. So he changed the outcome of the substance with addition of diethyltryptamine"det" a foreign tryptamine.

The whole idea is to realize that fungi in general are heterotrophs or more specifically chemoheterotrophs, hope I spelled that right!!!! They are more similar to us than they are to plants. Obtaining most and in some case all of there energy from the organisms or dead plant matter around them. If they don't have it...they will die. Just like we would die or in general be unhealthy.
SO if the nutrients are not there, the synthesis and general quality of life will falter and or possibly die. We can keep staring into this petri dish all day and ignoring the 100's of food sources. But at the end of the day the evidence is staring us in the face.

One more reference to break it down https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_nutritional_groups




Lol yeah I have read those and it has been discussed already in several threads in advanced mycology as well as others in mush cult over the last few years. I remain skeptical as to what if any significance it brings the average cultivator especially since we are looking to produce a product that is first orally active and secondly from easily obtained materials. Also despite patents etc, this process still has not been well reproduced,  nor does it indicate at what threshold a culture can utilize excess tryptophan introduced via substrate. Everything i have read thus far indicates that the ability to bio convert is at least somewhat dependent on the specific cultures ability to convert those tryptophan sources and also may need other elements tobe in play as well. Aspergillus for iinstance is shown to require a certain level of zinc ions to be available in order to convert alkaloids from tryptophan.


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    #21909305 - 07/07/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

lol I wouldn't want to attempt it either. More interested in enriched soils that pass nutrients/vitamin's along to edible food.

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    #21909338 - 07/07/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't feel the OP is a troll exactly. I don't know that his set of criteria are any good or not, but I he may have a valid point in asserting that certain mushrooms can in themselves make pretty surely for a good trip. I don['t get that he is saying one strain,say Golden Teacher, is more conducive to good trips and another, say
B+, is not. The ideal strain he keeps referring to seems to be ideal because of some genetic fluke of an individual clump of mushrooms. These  mushrooms, were they all members of a clone set? Or maybe all from the same mating of two good s pores? I obviously don't know the science of this stuff but maybe I have conveyed my take on what OP had to say. My feeling  is it that makes sense to isolate mushrooms that give you a good trip, clone them, and see if the clones do likewise


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    #21909346 - 07/07/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)





lazarus Long... no.  :lol:  :lmafo:  Don't call me a troll dude. Want me to call you a troll back? Didn't think so. Why play this childish name calling game with me it's pointless... Even though I do think you're a troll. You don't know what a potent cube is really like and that's why you settle for loving ego death trips. Good for you... not for me.



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    #21909362 - 07/07/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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lol I wouldn't want to attempt it either. More interested in enriched soils that pass nutrients/vitamin's along to edible food.

Fun stuff :thumbup::sunny:




It is fun and the processes that enable it are fascinating.  Sorry if I jumped on ya there I am just tired off people pulling that paper out and implying it means something more. Not saying that was your intent, I was jumping the gun a bit.

I personally believe that substrate composition can affect potency but, only within a given cultures ability to utilize it. Maybe I am offf base but I would rather have a clone or isolate that can produce dynamite potency on a shitty substrate then roll the dice forever with ms and hope that the additives make up the shortfall.


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I personally believe that substrate composition can affect potency but, only within a given cultures ability to utilize it. Maybe I am offf base but I would rather have a clone or isolate that can produce dynamite potency on a shitty substrate then roll the dice forever with ms and hope that the additives make up the shortfall.




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    #21909841 - 07/07/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

speaking of how much tryptofan they are able to take up,
how much of these extra nutes from the sub are cubes able to utilize and what are those nutes?

I believe we are seriously overfeeding any culture in any sub and that the myc gets old weak and dies before it has consumed near all.


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    #21909905 - 07/07/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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    #21909929 - 07/07/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

preschooler said:
lol I wouldn't want to attempt it either. More interested in enriched soils that pass nutrients/vitamin's along to edible food.

Fun stuff :thumbup::sunny:




It is fun and the processes that enable it are fascinating.  Sorry if I jumped on ya there I am just tired off people pulling that paper out and implying it means something more. Not saying that was your intent, I was jumping the gun a bit.

I personally believe that substrate composition can affect potency but, only within a given cultures ability to utilize it. Maybe I am offf base but I would rather have a clone or isolate that can produce dynamite potency on a shitty substrate then roll the dice forever with ms and hope that the additives make up the shortfall.


my apologies too ..I was being a smart ass. Its all good tho!!! Gave me something to research yesterday and i learned.


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    #21910255 - 07/07/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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speaking of how much tryptofan they are able to take up,
how much of these extra nutes from the sub are cubes able to utilize and what are those nutes?

I believe we are seriously overfeeding any culture in any sub and that the myc gets old weak and dies before it has consumed near all.




There's an old thread where Primal Soup les a tub consolidate for an extra month.  When he takes a test dose he gets his ass kicked.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15181139/fpart/1/vc/1

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    #21910291 - 07/07/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

yeah I've read it, too bad its all MS no control tub etc..
but its not what I'm asking pasty about.


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    #21911527 - 07/07/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well I agree that its unlikely that the cubes can derive all of the nutrients from the grain (which is the highest concentration of nutes) let alone the sub but, with a really high BE producing culture, its possible to come close. I do think a higher spawn ratio helps in so much as the culture can handle and if their is sufficient water.


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I'm sure he realized this.  Since the new name is all over this thread too.  And the fact I was super obvious about this being a facetious bump.


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