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Pastywhyte
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Ummm now I am certain you're just a troll. I won't call you a moron so
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Leviticus969



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6Silent9Knight6 said: 3-4 grams is a lot man... experiencing ego death is my indication of a bad trip, especially with that amount. I simply don't like those. A good trip will have you loving yourself and everyone around you. That in my opinion is a good trip, along with the feeling of euphoria connected with visuals, sounds.
All I can think, is that this must be a troll, Since this does not even begin to express what "Ego Death" is for an experienced tripper.
When an individual consumes doses greater than five grams of any good and potent Cubensis, especially if they have made tea with ginger and lemon to lessen stomach discomfort, and fasted for at least five hours prior, to lessen other intestinal issues.
That there is a point early on, when (What some refer to as Ego Death) where you simply slip your human shackles, and cease to be yourself, You can recognize who you were, but you are not that person, it becomes as if you are a spirit being looking through these eyes of a spacesuit of flesh and blood, and you recognize that for instance,
I am only Lazarus Long, because my parents told me from a very young age that, this will be your name, and then school, and friends, and coworkers kept reinforcing the concept, that I was Lazarus Long, but in what is commonly referred to as "Ego Death", you quite simply stop being you, You are in a more free spirit mode and are given a quite subjective look at your own life.
There is nothing scary or undesirable about this level of the experience, once you have grown to accept this deep of an inner journey, in fact for many (Psychonauts) this is precisely what is being striven for!
I am beginning to think that (6Silent9Knight6) is a joke account, and that this thread does not belong in cultivation, but the Pub, or The Psychedelic Experience, or some other Board.
lazarus Long... no. Don't call me a troll dude. Want me to call you a troll back? Didn't think so. Why play this childish name calling game with me it's pointless... Even though I do think you're a troll. You don't know what a potent cube is really like and that's why you settle for loving ego death trips. Good for you... not for me.
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Leviticus969



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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21907869 - 07/06/15 11:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Ummm now I am certain you're just a troll. I won't call you a moron so 
Well what do you think Pasty? What compounds determine good or bad trips? Are you going to say psilocybin and psilocin? I don't know man I'm just throwing shit out there.
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ZeroBoyWD
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"The best trips I've had consistently with my first grow from flush to flush had no nausea or anxiety whatsoever. Only excitement and euphoria the whole ride." - 6Silent9Knight6
Did you seriously quote yourself and sign it? That's not what people who have had ego death do at all.
Dude, you've been branded. Its evident you have no idea what you are talking about. Let go. You remind me a lot of an 18 year old I work with who talks about all the acid and mushrooms he's taken, but freaked out on two hits of MDA.
Magic is only science that has yet to have an explanation. Bad trips, thats not magic, its the science of set, setting, mindset, body chemistry and dose.
Every post you make further reveals the knowledge (or lack of) that you possess. Ignorance is not a crime until you choose it willfully. Let go of your misconceptions and listen to these fine people who know way more about these amazing fungi than yourself.
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piratez
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6Silent9Knight6 said: We good man... We good
I'll finish looking at the article later... So far it's an interesting read but I'm at work right now. Toodles
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As far as CEVs, I basically break them up into three 'levels'. Level 1 is 'fractal' space. I can get this off weed too. Level 2 is 'visionary space'. This is more like lucid dreaming but from an almost third person perspective. Level 3 is 'dissociative space'. Hard to explain because it's not even CEV at this point really as touch and other sensations start to mix in. Plus my train of thought and memory are pretty minimal at this level. All three levels exist within a spectrum. Level 1 opens into level 2, level 2 into level 3. There may be more beyond that. That's as deep as I've gone.
There are deeper levels... Belee dat. But like I said... It's extremely rare.... But definitely worth the search.
How many levels do you think there are?
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Thanks for the kudos. I would rate where you're at potency wise on your strong trip to be a level 2-3 trip by my standards posted above, out of 5. But like you i believe that there may be even crazier trips out there that I haven't even run into yet.
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Pastywhyte said: I want to know what compounds the OP thinks cause a bad trip and which ones contribute to a good one.
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"I want to know what compounds the OP thinks cause a bad trip and which ones contribute to a good one."
Magic can't be measured by science, only observed. The only compounds that determine good or bad trips is your ability to pull the sword from the stone or not. Or if you're lucky enough to give birth to Michael Jackson.

Magic can't be measured by science trollololol
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Pastywhyte
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Pastywhyte said: Ummm now I am certain you're just a troll. I won't call you a moron so 
Well what do you think Pasty? What compounds determine good or bad trips? Are you going to say psilocybin and psilocin? I don't know man I'm just throwing shit out there.
Psilocin and psilocybin just ensure you trip. Good or bad. I have tripped hundreds of times on mushrooms and LSD. The outcome is dependent on the user more than anything. As muda suggests i don't even feel that the so called bad trips are bad persay. As it is more about frame of mind or set and setting out of the hundreds of experiences I have had, only a fraction have been "dark".
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Leviticus969



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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: piratez]
#21907906 - 07/06/15 11:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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No but forreals though I'm not trolling.
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MudaFuka
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Well then your an ID 10 T.
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ZeroBoyWD
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I remember when I was in high school and couldn't get beer.
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MudaFuka
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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21907966 - 07/07/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You couldn't get beer in high school?
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ZeroBoyWD
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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: MudaFuka]
#21907976 - 07/07/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was trying to be funny. The truth is I had a terrible drinking problem =(
-------------------- I'm done trying to be "right." I want the exchange of ideas to be the currency of my economy. If you have something I can use, great. I'll try it out. If you think my methods are shit, great. Don't use it. We all want yields.
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Tomandjerry58
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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21909036 - 07/07/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: I will give those all a read again. But I have seen enough studies on alkaloid production of fungi suggesting that the ability of the organisim to convert triptamine to alkaloids is not only limited by genetics ability to convert It but also by how bio available it is. Some species have even been shown to have limitations based on the availability of other elements in the substrate.
At any rate its not really relevant to the discussion at hand. We are talking about psilocybin production, not the conversion of DET to DMT. Its interesting as an exercise but in practice, why the hell would i go to the trouble of obtaining that to make DMT when I can simply grow a strong isolate on free materials and make all the psilocybin i could want, especially considering most people are growing mushrooms to obtain psilocybin. Might be that I'm being picky but I would rather produce something out of cheap and easily obtained materials.
Anyway thanks for the links. Been a while since I read them, might be good for me to give em another perusal.
The end product is 4-ho-DET upto 3%. So he changed the outcome of the substance with addition of diethyltryptamine"det" a foreign tryptamine.
The whole idea is to realize that fungi in general are heterotrophs or more specifically chemoheterotrophs, hope I spelled that right!!!! They are more similar to us than they are to plants. Obtaining most and in some case all of there energy from the organisms or dead plant matter around them. If they don't have it...they will die. Just like we would die or in general be unhealthy. SO if the nutrients are not there, the synthesis and general quality of life will falter and or possibly die. We can keep staring into this petri dish all day and ignoring the 100's of food sources. But at the end of the day the evidence is staring us in the face.
One more reference to break it down https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_nutritional_groups
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Pastywhyte
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Pastywhyte said: I will give those all a read again. But I have seen enough studies on alkaloid production of fungi suggesting that the ability of the organisim to convert triptamine to alkaloids is not only limited by genetics ability to convert It but also by how bio available it is. Some species have even been shown to have limitations based on the availability of other elements in the substrate.
At any rate its not really relevant to the discussion at hand. We are talking about psilocybin production, not the conversion of DET to DMT. Its interesting as an exercise but in practice, why the hell would i go to the trouble of obtaining that to make DMT when I can simply grow a strong isolate on free materials and make all the psilocybin i could want, especially considering most people are growing mushrooms to obtain psilocybin. Might be that I'm being picky but I would rather produce something out of cheap and easily obtained materials.
Anyway thanks for the links. Been a while since I read them, might be good for me to give em another perusal.
The end product is 4-ho-DET upto 3%. So he changed the outcome of the substance with addition of diethyltryptamine"det" a foreign tryptamine.
The whole idea is to realize that fungi in general are heterotrophs or more specifically chemoheterotrophs, hope I spelled that right!!!! They are more similar to us than they are to plants. Obtaining most and in some case all of there energy from the organisms or dead plant matter around them. If they don't have it...they will die. Just like we would die or in general be unhealthy. SO if the nutrients are not there, the synthesis and general quality of life will falter and or possibly die. We can keep staring into this petri dish all day and ignoring the 100's of food sources. But at the end of the day the evidence is staring us in the face.
One more reference to break it down https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_nutritional_groups
Lol yeah I have read those and it has been discussed already in several threads in advanced mycology as well as others in mush cult over the last few years. I remain skeptical as to what if any significance it brings the average cultivator especially since we are looking to produce a product that is first orally active and secondly from easily obtained materials. Also despite patents etc, this process still has not been well reproduced, nor does it indicate at what threshold a culture can utilize excess tryptophan introduced via substrate. Everything i have read thus far indicates that the ability to bio convert is at least somewhat dependent on the specific cultures ability to convert those tryptophan sources and also may need other elements tobe in play as well. Aspergillus for iinstance is shown to require a certain level of zinc ions to be available in order to convert alkaloids from tryptophan.
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Tomandjerry58
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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21909305 - 07/07/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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lol I wouldn't want to attempt it either. More interested in enriched soils that pass nutrients/vitamin's along to edible food. Fun stuff 
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jesuisravi
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I don't feel the OP is a troll exactly. I don't know that his set of criteria are any good or not, but I he may have a valid point in asserting that certain mushrooms can in themselves make pretty surely for a good trip. I don['t get that he is saying one strain,say Golden Teacher, is more conducive to good trips and another, say B+, is not. The ideal strain he keeps referring to seems to be ideal because of some genetic fluke of an individual clump of mushrooms. These mushrooms, were they all members of a clone set? Or maybe all from the same mating of two good s pores? I obviously don't know the science of this stuff but maybe I have conveyed my take on what OP had to say. My feeling is it that makes sense to isolate mushrooms that give you a good trip, clone them, and see if the clones do likewise
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natedawgnow
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lazarus Long... no. Don't call me a troll dude. Want me to call you a troll back? Didn't think so. Why play this childish name calling game with me it's pointless... Even though I do think you're a troll. You don't know what a potent cube is really like and that's why you settle for loving ego death trips. Good for you... not for me.
Dude the whole point of the experience IS the EGO DEATH. Otherwise you might as well just smoke weed. Have you ever tried a larger dose? Or other, stronger psychedelics like DMT? The whole point is the ego death and transcendence from the physical into the metaphysical.
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Pastywhyte
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preschooler said: lol I wouldn't want to attempt it either. More interested in enriched soils that pass nutrients/vitamin's along to edible food. Fun stuff  
It is fun and the processes that enable it are fascinating. Sorry if I jumped on ya there I am just tired off people pulling that paper out and implying it means something more. Not saying that was your intent, I was jumping the gun a bit.
I personally believe that substrate composition can affect potency but, only within a given cultures ability to utilize it. Maybe I am offf base but I would rather have a clone or isolate that can produce dynamite potency on a shitty substrate then roll the dice forever with ms and hope that the additives make up the shortfall.
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jesuisravi
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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21909783 - 07/07/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I personally believe that substrate composition can affect potency but, only within a given cultures ability to utilize it. Maybe I am offf base but I would rather have a clone or isolate that can produce dynamite potency on a shitty substrate then roll the dice forever with ms and hope that the additives make up the shortfall.
True that
-------------------- Most of my beliefs I acquired from my father and from John Wayne, and anything that wasn't ultra tough and ultra cool was to me ultra embarrassing. In fact, I lived in a state of near continuous embarrassment, never measuring up to the ridiculous standards I had accepted without question, applied to a framework of expectations neither I nor anyone else could meet.--J C Amberchele almost nothing important that ever happens to you happens because you engineer it. Destiny has no beeper; destiny always leans trenchcoated out of an alley with some sort of 'psst' that you usually can't even hear because you're in such a rush to or from something important you've tried to engineer. ” ― David Foster Wallace, Infinite Jest
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spacechildo
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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: jesuisravi]
#21909841 - 07/07/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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speaking of how much tryptofan they are able to take up, how much of these extra nutes from the sub are cubes able to utilize and what are those nutes?
I believe we are seriously overfeeding any culture in any sub and that the myc gets old weak and dies before it has consumed near all.
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Mr.PhilCybin
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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: spacechildo]
#21909905 - 07/07/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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what a laughable thread.
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