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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: OPB]
    #21905698 - 07/06/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

When I talk about unique I am not talking about deformity. Deformity or those mutant fruits to me is usually an indicator of bad environmental factors or bad genetics which equal a bad trip.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21905882 - 07/06/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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6Silent9Knight6 said:
To anyone in this thread that has mentioned stretching, being in the right state of mind or setting, or something that has to do with body chemistry... That's your opinion. Not just that but it's your placebo. I stand firm in my beliefs... I have tried different strains. Multiple times of the same strain to be sure if it's all in my head or if the specific strain produces a specific high and 90% of the time, i honestly feel that certain strains give certain highs. Which is also the reason why ppl like growing different strains?????




Believing that each strain produces a "unique" trip that is sole to that strain, is the placebo effect. You seem to think strains of cubes are like strains of MJ.

Set, setting, and body chemistry are placebos? Those aren't opinions. How the HELL can you call body chemistry a placebo?

Do you honestly believe that if a take a mushroom, and then my friend who is bi-polar eats the same mushrooms, you think we are going to have the same trip?

And the genetics of the mushroom don't determine if you have a bad trip. Thats silly


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
    #21906255 - 07/06/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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ZeroBoyWD said:
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6Silent9Knight6 said:
To anyone in this thread that has mentioned stretching, being in the right state of mind or setting, or something that has to do with body chemistry... That's your opinion. Not just that but it's your placebo. I stand firm in my beliefs... I have tried different strains. Multiple times of the same strain to be sure if it's all in my head or if the specific strain produces a specific high and 90% of the time, i honestly feel that certain strains give certain highs. Which is also the reason why ppl like growing different strains?????




Believing that each strain produces a "unique" trip that is sole to that strain, is the placebo effect. You seem to think strains of cubes are like strains of MJ.

Set, setting, and body chemistry are placebos? Those aren't opinions. How the HELL can you call body chemistry a placebo?

Do you honestly believe that if a take a mushroom, and then my friend who is bi-polar eats the same mushrooms, you think we are going to have the same trip?

And the genetics of the mushroom don't determine if you have a bad trip. Thats silly




By that kinda logic it doesnt matter what strain anybody grows because they are all the same in having the potential to be good or bad depending on the set n setting and vendors are just trying to rip ppl off by selling a gazillion diff strains. But u can clearly see if you've grown different  strains that there are varying differences in POTENCY and not just that but the PHYSICAL APPEARANCE of the fruit body as well.

Man i feel like the guy thats seen an actual alien but no one believes me since "aliens arent real cuz ive never seen em."


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21906288 - 07/06/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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6Silent9Knight6 said:
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ZeroBoyWD said:
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6Silent9Knight6 said:
To anyone in this thread that has mentioned stretching, being in the right state of mind or setting, or something that has to do with body chemistry... That's your opinion. Not just that but it's your placebo. I stand firm in my beliefs... I have tried different strains. Multiple times of the same strain to be sure if it's all in my head or if the specific strain produces a specific high and 90% of the time, i honestly feel that certain strains give certain highs. Which is also the reason why ppl like growing different strains?????




Believing that each strain produces a "unique" trip that is sole to that strain, is the placebo effect. You seem to think strains of cubes are like strains of MJ.

Set, setting, and body chemistry are placebos? Those aren't opinions. How the HELL can you call body chemistry a placebo?

Do you honestly believe that if a take a mushroom, and then my friend who is bi-polar eats the same mushrooms, you think we are going to have the same trip?

And the genetics of the mushroom don't determine if you have a bad trip. Thats silly




By that kinda logic it doesnt matter what strain anybody grows because they are all the same in having the potential to be good or bad depending on the set n setting and vendors are just trying to rip ppl off by selling a gazillion diff strains.




You are starting to get it! That's exactly what's happening. Yes some might have slights potency advantages but not by much assuming you are talking the same species.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21906316 - 07/06/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This thread is so gay


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: jbaby007]
    #21906326 - 07/06/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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jbaby007 said:
This thread is so gay



:whatshesaid:


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21906345 - 07/06/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

ugh... whatever than....

SET AND SETTING YOU GUYS!!! IT'S ALL IN YOUR HEAD!!!! POTENCY DOESN'T EXIST!!!


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21906409 - 07/06/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You can certainly work with agar to select specific genetics and up potency. You just can't start with spores and then assess potency based on appearance.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: OPB]
    #21906456 - 07/06/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

lol, you can tell OP is trolling when his conclusion to this discussion is a sarcastic "potency doesnt exist". classic troll bait..


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21906684 - 07/06/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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6Silent9Knight6 said:
We good man... We good
              :toast:

I'll finish looking at the article later... So far it's an interesting read but I'm at work right now. Toodles

Oh btw...

Quote:

As far as CEVs, I basically break them up into three 'levels'.  Level 1 is 'fractal' space.  I can get this off weed too.  Level 2 is 'visionary space'.  This is more like lucid dreaming but from an almost third person perspective.  Level 3 is 'dissociative space'.  Hard to explain because it's not even CEV at this point really as touch and other sensations start to mix in.  Plus my train of thought and memory are pretty minimal at this level.  All three levels exist within a spectrum.  Level 1 opens into level 2, level 2 into level 3.  There may be more beyond that.  That's as deep as I've gone.





There are deeper levels... Belee dat. But like I said... It's extremely rare.... But definitely worth the search.




How many levels do you think there are?

I think it's pretty obvious to everyone here the wealth of information you have at your disposal. Some people you can just tell from the way that they write and phrase sentences that they are smart. You may be shaking the grounds of a lot of peoples beliefs on this forum, so expect them to come across as defensive.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: newrook]
    #21906742 - 07/06/15 07:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I want to know what compounds the OP thinks cause a bad trip and which ones contribute to a good one.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21906784 - 07/06/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:whathesaid:


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21906827 - 07/06/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:creepylurker:


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969] * 1
    #21907041 - 07/06/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This thread was hard to read. Op, potency does exist, but the best way to ensure a potent strain is through isolation of strains. You cannot judge potency by look or appearance.

Some of the things that you describe as being qualities of a bad trip are really just qualities of tripping in general. The good has to be taken with the bad. Sometimes you feel nauseous. I find that fighting those feelings of anxiety, nausea, and ego death usually intensify them even more. Just relax and let the trip envelop you.

Usually all my trips start with slight feelings of anxiety and nausea, then it passes. I've also never had a bad trip as you've described. Just a different experience than what I was expecting and it can be slightly scary or intimidating. I find fighting those feelings makes it worse.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: natedawgnow]
    #21907193 - 07/06/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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natedawgnow said:
This thread was hard to read. Op, potency does exist, but the best way to ensure a potent strain is through isolation of strains. You cannot judge potency by look or appearance.

Some of the things that you describe as being qualities of a bad trip are really just qualities of tripping in general. The good has to be taken with the bad. Sometimes you feel nauseous. I find that fighting those feelings of anxiety, nausea, and ego death usually intensify them even more. Just relax and let the trip envelop you.

Usually all my trips start with slight feelings of anxiety and nausea, then it passes. I've also never had a bad trip as you've described. Just a different experience than what I was expecting and it can be slightly scary or intimidating. I find fighting those feelings makes it worse.




I've only had one bad trip- it was on LSD and I was around the wrong people. I pulled myself out of it when the 20 somethin. Hour trip turned into daytime and I was alone, outside, watching the sunrise.

I too, get that feeling of anxiety on the come up, which is why I like to occupy myself with something until whatever it is becomes too difficult to do, then I just sit back and enjoy.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21907606 - 07/06/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

6Silent9Knight6 uses troll...

Its Super Effective.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21907705 - 07/06/15 10:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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3-4 grams is a lot man... experiencing ego death is my indication of a bad trip, especially with that amount. I simply don't like those. A good trip will have you loving yourself and everyone around you. That in my opinion is a good trip, along with the feeling of euphoria connected with visuals, sounds.




All I can think, is that this must be a troll,
Since this does not even begin to express what "Ego Death" is for an experienced tripper.

When an individual consumes doses greater than five grams of any good and potent Cubensis, especially if they have made tea with ginger and lemon to lessen stomach discomfort, and fasted for at least five hours prior, to lessen other intestinal issues.

That there is a point early on, when (What some refer to as Ego Death)  where you simply slip your human shackles, and cease to be yourself, You can recognize who you were, but you are not that person, it becomes as if you are a spirit being looking through these eyes of a  spacesuit of flesh and blood, and you recognize that for instance,

I am only Lazarus Long, because my parents told me from a very young age that, this will be your name, and then school, and friends, and coworkers kept reinforcing the concept, that I was Lazarus Long, but in what is commonly referred to as "Ego Death", you quite simply stop being you, You are in a more free spirit mode and are given a quite subjective look at your own life.

There is nothing scary or undesirable about this level of the experience, once you have grown to accept this deep of an inner journey, in fact for many (Psychonauts) this is precisely what is being striven for!

I am beginning to think that (6Silent9Knight6) is a joke account, and that this thread does not belong in cultivation, but the Pub, or The Psychedelic Experience, or some other Board.


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #21907800 - 07/06/15 11:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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newrook said:
Quote:

6Silent9Knight6 said:
We good man... We good
              :toast:

I'll finish looking at the article later... So far it's an interesting read but I'm at work right now. Toodles

Oh btw...

Quote:

As far as CEVs, I basically break them up into three 'levels'.  Level 1 is 'fractal' space.  I can get this off weed too.  Level 2 is 'visionary space'.  This is more like lucid dreaming but from an almost third person perspective.  Level 3 is 'dissociative space'.  Hard to explain because it's not even CEV at this point really as touch and other sensations start to mix in.  Plus my train of thought and memory are pretty minimal at this level.  All three levels exist within a spectrum.  Level 1 opens into level 2, level 2 into level 3.  There may be more beyond that.  That's as deep as I've gone.





There are deeper levels... Belee dat. But like I said... It's extremely rare.... But definitely worth the search.




How many levels do you think there are?

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Thanks for the kudos. I would rate where you're at potency wise on your strong trip to be a level 2-3 trip by my standards posted above, out of 5. But like you i believe that there may be even crazier trips out there that I haven't even run into yet.



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Pastywhyte said:
I want to know what compounds the OP thinks cause a bad trip and which ones contribute to a good one.




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piratez said:
:whathesaid:



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YaMoonSun said:
:creepylurker:




"I want to know what compounds the OP thinks cause a bad trip and which ones contribute to a good one."

Magic can't be measured by science, only observed. The only compounds that determine good or bad trips is your ability to pull the sword from the stone or not. Or if you're lucky enough to give birth to Michael Jackson.

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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21907816 - 07/06/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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natedawgnow said:
This thread was hard to read. Op, potency does exist, but the best way to ensure a potent strain is through isolation of strains. You cannot judge potency by look or appearance.

Some of the things that you describe as being qualities of a bad trip are really just qualities of tripping in general. The good has to be taken with the bad. Sometimes you feel nauseous. I find that fighting those feelings of anxiety, nausea, and ego death usually intensify them even more. Just relax and let the trip envelop you.

Usually all my trips start with slight feelings of anxiety and nausea, then it passes. I've also never had a bad trip as you've described. Just a different experience than what I was expecting and it can be slightly scary or intimidating. I find fighting those feelings makes it worse.



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TravelAgency said:
Quote:

natedawgnow said:


I too, get that feeling of anxiety on the come up, which is why I like to occupy myself with something until whatever it is becomes too difficult to do, then I just sit back and enjoy.




"The best trips I've had consistently with my first grow from flush to flush had no nausea or anxiety whatsoever. Only excitement and euphoria the whole ride." - 6Silent9Knight6


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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Lazarus.Long]
    #21907818 - 07/06/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Lazarus.Long said:
Quote:

6Silent9Knight6 said:
All I can think, is that this must be a troll,
Since this does not even begin to express what "Ego Death" is for an experienced tripper.

When an individual consumes doses greater than five grams of any good and potent Cubensis, especially if they have made tea with ginger and lemon to lessen stomach discomfort, and fasted for at least five hours prior, to lessen other intestinal issues.

That there is a point early on, when (What some refer to as Ego Death)  where you simply slip your human shackles, and cease to be yourself, You can recognize who you were, but you are not that person, it becomes as if you are a spirit being looking through these eyes of a  spacesuit of flesh and blood, and you recognize that for instance,

I am only Lazarus Long, because my parents told me from a very young age that, this will be your name, and then school, and friends, and coworkers kept reinforcing the concept, that I was Lazarus Long, but in what is commonly referred to as "Ego Death", you quite simply stop being you, You are in a more free spirit mode and are given a quite subjective look at your own life.

There is nothing scary or undesirable about this level of the experience, once you have grown to accept this deep of an inner journey, in fact for many (Psychonauts) this is precisely what is being striven for!

I am beginning to think that (6Silent9Knight6) is a joke account, and that this thread does not belong in cultivation, but the Pub, or The Psychedelic Experience, or some other Board.





I've had ego death on other substances, never on fungi, even though I usually dose as close to 7g dry as I can. But I understand what you mean.

But a "bad trip" is not the fruits fault and I am also almost offended you would insinuate as such. Not trying to argue but mushies are here for the betterment of mankind, not to make you scared shitless over nothing


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