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MudaFuka
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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21902295 - 07/05/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Don't knock it till you've tried it. Mega dose trips are actually pretty relaxing. You completely lose the ability to fight the trip and become very open and accepting to what the mushrooms are trying to show you. I've had far more difficult trips on doses of 4 grams or less than I have on double digit doses. Like RR said, mushrooms are food eat till you're full.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: MudaFuka]
#21902467 - 07/05/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wow this thread is an abortion. Even PE can be weak. I had a PE clone that was completely bunk. But it doesn't happen very often. So even the penis phenotype is not a guaranteed way to tell potency by looks. Sounds to me like the OP needs to grow more, eat more, and experience more.
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ZeroBoyWD
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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: MudaFuka]
#21902770 - 07/05/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't ascribe to the mystic spirituality of drugs. You wanna believe there is actual magic there, that's your subjective dogma. It doesn't place it anywhere in a concept of factual basis. Perhaps you have an unnatural tolerance to psilocybin, but what you are suggesting is the equivalent of saying that in order to understand what acid is about, you should eat a ten strip. It's ridiculous man.
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MudaFuka
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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21902829 - 07/05/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I didn't say anything about spirituality. I use mushrooms as a form of psycho therapy. They help me get in touch with the dark recesses of my subconscious and sort through my issues. My tolerance is average. I can trip on a gram or two but extreme doses take it to another level. There is nothing better than the clarity experienced during the afterglow of an extreme dose trip. Oh and taking ten hits of acid is pretty great too. If you like to just have a few laughs and see some pretty colors that's fine but I like to leave my body and go to another world.
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GreenRabbit
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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21904536 - 07/06/15 08:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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MudaFuka said: oh and 3 grams is a child's dose. When I want to trip I take a dry ounce of very strong cubs. Ego death is a good thing. It's the whole point of tripping IMO. Leaving yourself behind so you are open to what the universe has to show you. It is only achievable at the highest level of trip.
Can we go back to this being said without gaining any attention? 28 dried grams of mushrooms... As a regular dose.... ¬¬ Seems legit.
?? Sounds pretty normal... When I actually want to trip its at least a half oz dry.
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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21904651 - 07/06/15 09:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: Everyone knows that the best way to test cube potency is rectal dosing. That's why everyone likes PE so much.

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MudaFuka said: oh and 3 grams is a child's dose. When I want to trip I take a dry ounce of very strong cubs. Ego death is a good thing. It's the whole point of tripping IMO. Leaving yourself behind so you are open to what the universe has to show you. It is only achievable at the highest level of trip.
Can we go back to this being said without gaining any attention? 28 dried grams of mushrooms... As a regular dose.... ¬¬ Seems legit.
  
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ZeroBoyWD
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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: GreenRabbit]
#21904671 - 07/06/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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We'll see how my bulk tub does and I'll give half a spin. But shit man, a quarter was enough to make me get dissociative at the peak. Probably just a personal issue here, but how do you cope with compulsive squirmy-ness. On mushrooms its as if my body is trying in vain to reassemble itself into a new form. Its similar to when I'm coming down from acid, where I feel like I'm sitting six inches in front of myself making every face, form and gesture at once. Makes me think of Avalokiteshvara, the 1000 armed woman... I mean I get used to it but it freaks people out when you can't use words properly and you're twisting around on the floor.
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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21904720 - 07/06/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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http://countyourculture.com/2012/02/17/biosynthesis-4-substituted-tryptamine-derivatives/ linked to me by Coincidentiaoppositorum THis is from "jochen gartz" Experiments conclude that if DET is introduced into a substrate it actually changes the outcome of p cubes to 4 ho det and 4 po det. As you can see the levels vary and seem to be a little high compared to 4 po dmt that's found in cubes.
Ive always thought the potency relied mostly on nutrients consumed by the mycelia. A lot of people get varying results but the substrate itself could be lacking in nutrients from one sub/grow to the next. As you can see from the work of "jochen gartz". Whats in the sub can most defiantly change the outcome, even to a compound that has never been found in nature before.
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Pastywhyte
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There is so much wrong with that "experiment" that it doesn't deserve to be dignified with that term. No controls and lack of repeatability suggests that it is simply junk science.
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Tomandjerry58
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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21904778 - 07/06/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do you have any idea whos work you just called "junk science"?
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Tomandjerry58
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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21904810 - 07/06/15 10:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ZeroBoyWD said: We'll see how my bulk tub does and I'll give half a spin. But shit man, a quarter was enough to make me get dissociative at the peak. Probably just a personal issue here, but how do you cope with compulsive squirmy-ness. On mushrooms its as if my body is trying in vain to reassemble itself into a new form. Its similar to when I'm coming down from acid, where I feel like I'm sitting six inches in front of myself making every face, form and gesture at once. Makes me think of Avalokiteshvara, the 1000 armed woman... I mean I get used to it but it freaks people out when you can't use words properly and you're twisting around on the floor.
Stretching and generally taking better care of my body has helped a lot with body load, both with acid and mushrooms.
As far as talking to people or worrying what they think, it's one of the reasons I prefer to be alone when I'm going deep.
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Pastywhyte
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preschooler said: Do you have any idea whos work you just called "junk science"?
Its not repeatable. Stamets and Gartz have both reversed their positions on many things already. I have much respect for both but they will be the first to admit they can be wrong. Until more studies that are better controlled and can be repeated come about, that will remain as a mere observation nothing more.
I was perhaps a little sharp with my assessment but I'm sick of seeing that thing being trotted out. Its not only inconclusive, its also hardly a potency solution for the average cultivator. The beauty of growing actives is the ability to produce psilocybin from easy to obtain materials. Focus should be on genetics.
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Tomandjerry58
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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21904993 - 07/06/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well the process does have a german patent and is recognized in the community as well as A.shulgin. Focus is determined by the user He also has a patent on increased psilocin production with the addition of tryptamine.
ref http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/shulgin/blg/index.html
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ZeroBoyWD
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Preschooler, you realize you linked to a site that posted a summary of a study that was already posted on this site.
https://files.shroomery.org/cms/Biotransformation_of_tryptamine_derivatives.pdf
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paperbackwriter said: As far as talking to people or worrying what they think, it's one of the reasons I prefer to be alone when I'm going deep.
I try to have someone sober around when I trip just so they can intervene in the event of something stupid happening, like someone who is tripping grabbing car keys and making a move toward the door.
Should probably try the stretching thing
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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21905026 - 07/06/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stretching or yoga on psychedelics is great.
I really don't like sober people around. Unless they've tripped a lot and understand what it's like. Sober people make me sober when I'm tripping. Just can't get into the right mindset with the bullshit some people talk about.
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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: thoraxx]
#21905036 - 07/06/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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thoraxx said: OP didnt even mention the most important aspect of gauging fruits potency, which is evening out the natural differences
If you want to dose any kind of plant product reliably, you have to either grind it up and mix or move into solution Only then does comparing trips from the same batch even make sense, especially with MS shrooms
whatever, its a troll thread and i feel kinda bad for bumping
Grinding the shrooms up does not matter bro... Mixing it with other solutions don't either. Just weigh it out to the exact same amount in grams
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MudaFuka
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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21905037 - 07/06/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I almoste always trip alone. I don't generally take more than a quarter in social situations. I defenetly don't trip with sober or drunk people.
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Leviticus969



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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: GreenRabbit]
#21905056 - 07/06/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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To anyone in this thread that has mentioned stretching, being in the right state of mind or setting, or something that has to do with body chemistry... That's your opinion. Not just that but it's your placebo. I stand firm in my beliefs... I have tried different strains. Multiple times of the same strain to be sure if it's all in my head or if the specific strain produces a specific high and 90% of the time, i honestly feel that certain strains give certain highs. Which is also the reason why ppl like growing different strains?????
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Re: Gauging / Testing Potency [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21905071 - 07/06/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ZeroBoyWD said: Preschooler, you realize you linked to a site that posted a summary of a study that was already posted on this site.
https://files.shroomery.org/cms/Biotransformation_of_tryptamine_derivatives.pdf
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paperbackwriter said: As far as talking to people or worrying what they think, it's one of the reasons I prefer to be alone when I'm going deep.
I try to have someone sober around when I trip just so they can intervene in the event of something stupid happening, like someone who is tripping grabbing car keys and making a move toward the door.
Should probably try the stretching thing
yea I realize... its the whole download of the process. I guess its commonly accepted that enriched soil for plants can increase vit/mineral/alkaloid production but fungi aren't included??
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