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America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve?
#21896089 - 07/04/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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What do you think our fore fathers would would say about the country they founded today? Would they approve our structure? Our use of the constitution? What do you think they would have to say about modern politics. Did we fulfill their vision? Would they be satisfied or would they pissed off and end up getting locked up and silenced for "treason"?
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: Ncogneato] 2
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I think they'd probably really like the internet because they were worldly men of science and reason and would find the wealth of information and ease of correspondance a great tool. They would probably not watch a lot of tv or hang out very much on Twitter.
I imagine they'd be opposed to the campaign finance situation and would wish they had added something to the constitution to prevent it.
They might call the Supreme Court a laughing stock and be extremely ashamed at the laughable way the judges try to bend reason toward their point of view instead of the other way around.
They would be very against the federal Reserve and the reach of corporations into personal liberty.
I don't know if they would mount a revolution over those grievances though. They'd probably spend a lot of time trying to educate people and motivate them to vote.
They'd pbobably be appalled by voter turnout numbers.
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: Senor_Doobie] 2
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They would see that weed is illegal and they would be appalled
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#21896118 - 07/04/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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They would shake their head in disgust at the ways our constitutional rights are being violated legally and at the liberal agenda being pushed in this country.
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: luvdemboomers]
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: luvdemboomers]
#21896143 - 07/04/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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luvdemboomers said: They would shake their head in disgust at the ways our constitutional rights are being violated legally and at the liberal agenda being pushed in this country.
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21896172 - 07/04/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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They wouldn't even know where to begin to criticize. Look around you, what they created its absolutely astounding, it's very unlikely they would be anything but overwhelmingly proud. Let's not forget they were merely humans with their own shortcomings and personal idiosyncrasies, not demigods. Would they approve of gay marriage? Probably not. Not like it matters, it wasn't on their radar remotely, besides they owned slaves... go USA you don't have to perfect to get shit fine! Best place on the planet even with the shortcomings!
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: Ncogneato]
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They'd probably shit themselves, have a heart attack, and die.
Wouldn't help that I'd be sharing all of our modern renovations to the world of scat porn. Country loving man with brown wooden teeth? Meet the wood loving, country sized woman with brown teeth.
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: Ncogneato] 1
#21896191 - 07/04/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Anyone who thinks they know the opinions of men who were alive hundreds of years ago is completely insane.
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: Ran-D]
#21896211 - 07/04/15 10:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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they would prob think we were a bunch of whining pussies and how their generation actually did stuff that matters n stuff.
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I suspect they would regret making Supreme Court judges so powerful with lifetime tenure. I also think they would regret not being more clear on the Commerce Clause, probably the biggest single cause of mischief.
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Given there was no income tax for the first 100 yrs of this country, when companies paid tax not humans before we were corperate persons, and tax and tyranny were why they revolted, i'd say most would be pretty pissed.
Ya know, to start..
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: I suspect they would regret making Supreme Court judges so powerful with lifetime tenure. I also think they would regret not being more clear on the Commerce Clause, probably the biggest single cause of mischief.
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: MichAnon.ael]
#21896404 - 07/04/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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MichAnon.ael said: Given there was no income tax for the first 100 yrs of this country, when companies paid tax not humans before we were corperate persons, and tax and tyranny were why they revolted, i'd say most would be pretty pissed.
Ya know, to start..
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They would probably think "What the fuck did we do..."
Also "Please get your shit together, we left you a beautiful thing and now you are fucking it up"
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: Ran-D]
#21896423 - 07/04/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ran-D said: Anyone who thinks they know the opinions of men who were alive hundreds of years ago is completely insane.
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21896446 - 07/04/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I suspect they would regret making Supreme Court judges so powerful with lifetime tenure.
you would probably be wrong about that because marbury v. madison, the case that gave rise to the court's power (i.e. judicial review), happened during the time of the founders. that would probably not be as surprising as the strength of the executive branch. i also think they would be absolutely disgusted by the rigid two-party system as well as the level of influence money has over policy, especially at the level of state politics.
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: millzy]
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: millzy]
#21896543 - 07/04/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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millzy said:
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zappaisgod said: I suspect they would regret making Supreme Court judges so powerful with lifetime tenure.
you would probably be wrong about that because marbury v. madison, the case that gave rise to the court's power (i.e. judicial review), happened during the time of the founders. that would probably not be as surprising as the strength of the executive branch. i also think they would be absolutely disgusted by the rigid two-party system as well as the level of influence money has over policy, especially at the level of state politics.
I suspect that they would be dismayed at the legislating by the court that has gone on of late and also the near impossibility of passing a Constitutional amendment these days. They passed a shitload of them themselves.
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21896590 - 07/04/15 12:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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They'd probably be confused at congress having a 15% approval rating yet continually being re-elected.
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: twighead]
#21896592 - 07/04/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah. I don't think they foresaw that
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: zappaisgod]
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the court interprets the law. it does not legislate.
and, you gotta remember zappa, the first ten amendments came packed into the constitution. 17 amendments since ratification in 1787 is not that many times.
congress by its very nature has always been a piece of shit. this is why the legislature needs additional checks from the people via the executive and judicial branches.
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: millzy]
#21896622 - 07/04/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It has legislated many times. Roe v Wade was legislation. The SSM ruling was legislation. The Constitution is silent on abortion and marriage and they just invented stuff. Roberts twisted himself into a pretzel to save the ACA. There is a wing of the court that just does not give a shit about what the text of the law or Constitution is and thinks they can read minds. There were simple legislative remedies to all of those examples but they jumped in.
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21896636 - 07/04/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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and again, that is based on your perspective, which in this case is completely erroneous. i'm not going to get into this retarded argument with you again lol.
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: millzy]
#21896666 - 07/04/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It is actually a fairly well respected legal argument that many very serious legal scholars agree with. But. like I said, Imma go with the majority opinion and marry my cats and get a tax deduction for them as dependents
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: twighead] 1
#21896851 - 07/04/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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twighead said: They'd probably be confused at congress having a 15% approval rating yet continually being re-elected.
This does seem a bit peculiar doesn't it?
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: Ncogneato]
#21896936 - 07/04/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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twighead said: They'd probably be confused at congress having a 15% approval rating yet continually being re-elected.
This does seem a bit peculiar doesn't it?
Well, if you take all the elected official, most of them are Republicans so it explains a lot
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: Ncogneato]
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I think a lot of them would b pissed to see the slaves freed. Other then that if say George Washington was ploped in modern day New York for example He'd shit himself. 'm sure greasy foods would be a new amazing venue,as well as drugs and alcohol. I think they'd be proud especially considering we started with 13 colonies.
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: Patlal]
#21897308 - 07/04/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Well, if you take all the elected official, most of them are Republicans so it explains a lot
Are all Canadians so naive or is it just you?

Note that Americans, rightly, dislike Congress mo matter who's in charge.
Also note, the highest ratings were for Republican congresses.
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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It continues to amaze me that even though he is shown to be wrong about America over and over he still opens his Canuck piehole ignorantly. I don't get it. The Europeans are almost as bad. They have zero understanding of the country and just blather bullshit
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21897545 - 07/04/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Coming from the guy who thinks it's not the job of the Supreme Court to decide on the constitutionality of laws, that doesn't mean much.
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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I do think it is their job. I think they are doing more than that.
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21897622 - 07/04/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I do think it is their job. I think they are doing more than that.
Really?
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There was no reason at all for the SCOTUS to get involved.
You mean other than it being their job?
Frankly, based on your performance and statements in that 'other' thread, you really don't have much to say about what Patlal knows and doesn't.
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: Ncogneato]
#21897636 - 07/04/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't really give a shit what the forefathers would think because they're all dead and buried. I care more about what people today think.
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: nicechrisman] 1
#21897666 - 07/04/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: I don't really give a shit what the forefathers would think because they're all dead and buried. I care more about what people today think.
So the official story says...
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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It wasn't their job to weigh in on SSM. It was being handled legislatively and electorally. There is nothing in the Constitution about marriage. Or abortion. I think Scalia knows more than you and Patlal. The case never should have been taken. One man decided this, Anthony Kennedy. I do not understand why you think that one man should have that much power when there is plenty of recourse for legislative relief. Somebody has already filed for a second wife under the equal protection doctrine. Why not? It makes just as much sense. I'm going to marry my cats soon and get tax deductions for them as dependents.
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: twighead]
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I must admit I was quite surprised when I learned that Lincoln was a vampire hunter
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21897688 - 07/04/15 05:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: It wasn't their job to weigh in on SSM. It was being handled legislatively and electorally. There is nothing in the Constitution about marriage. Or abortion. I think Scalia knows more than you and Patlal. The case never should have been taken. One man decided this, Anthony Kennedy. I do not understand why you think that one man should have that much power when there is plenty of recourse for legislative relief. Somebody has already filed for a second wife under the equal protection doctrine. Why not? It makes just as much sense. I'm going to marry my cats soon and get tax deductions for them as dependents.

Right.

On that case, Patlal clearly has a better grasp of the system than you.
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: Ran-D]
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Ran-D said: Anyone who thinks they know the opinions of men who were alive hundreds of years ago is completely insane.
so you don't think anything can be inferred about a person's opinions from their writings and recorded deeds?
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: ballsalsa]
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They were rather prolific but not always in agreement. That is why it is important to follow the exact text of what they did agree on.
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21897740 - 07/04/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: Coming from the guy who thinks it's not the job of the Supreme Court to decide on the constitutionality of laws, that doesn't mean much.
Ironically, judicial review is a power that SCOTUS gave to itself. Congress allowed it, and it's been that way ever since.
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The best-known power of the Supreme Court is judicial review, or the ability of the Court to declare a Legislative or Executive act in violation of the Constitution, is not found within the text of the Constitution itself. The Court established this doctrine in the case of Marbury v. Madison (1803).
In this case, the Court had to decide whether an Act of Congress or the Constitution was the supreme law of the land. The Judiciary Act of 1789 gave the Supreme Court original jurisdiction to issue writs of mandamus (legal orders compelling government officials to act in accordance with the law). A suit was brought under this Act, but the Supreme Court noted that the Constitution did not permit the Court to have original jurisdiction in this matter. Since Article VI of the Constitution establishes the Constitution as the Supreme Law of the Land, the Court held that an Act of Congress that is contrary to the Constitution could not stand. In subsequent cases, the Court also established its authority to strike down state laws found to be in violation of the Constitution.
Before the passage of the Fourteenth Amendment (1869), the provisions of the Bill of Rights were only applicable to the federal government. After the Amendment's passage, the Supreme Court began ruling that most of its provisions were applicable to the states as well. Therefore, the Court has the final say over when a right is protected by the Constitution or when a Constitutional right is violated.
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: I'm going to marry my cats soon and get tax deductions for them as dependents.
Nobody gives a shit about your cats.
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: Ran-D]
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I do. I love them.
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21897823 - 07/04/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Then why don't you marry them?
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: nicechrisman]
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: Ran-D]
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What are you doing with Lola you fuck? Imma gonna find you and do that to you
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21898065 - 07/04/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Well, if you take all the elected official, most of them are Republicans so it explains a lot
Are all Canadians so naive or is it just you?

Note that Americans, rightly, dislike Congress mo matter who's in charge.
Also note, the highest ratings were for Republican congresses.
2012 House seats:
Rep: 234 Dem: 201
2014 Senate seats:
Dem: 53 Rep: 45
Total:
Rep: 279 Dem: 250
Republicans wins, thefore I'm right, there are more republican elected officials in Washinton than there are Democrats
Learn your own damm country..
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21898081 - 07/04/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is a Franklin quote from after the conventions.
“Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?”
“A Republic, if you can keep it.” - Ben Franklin
on the side convo, an american telling others they don't know our country and to mind their biz is just funny
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
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Patlal said: Well, if you take all the elected official, most of them are Republicans so it explains a lot
Are all Canadians so naive or is it just you?

Note that Americans, rightly, dislike Congress mo matter who's in charge.
Also note, the highest ratings were for Republican congresses.
2012 House seats:
Rep: 234 Dem: 201
2014 Senate seats:
Dem: 53 Rep: 45
Total:
Rep: 279 Dem: 250
Republicans wins, thefore I'm right, there are more republican elected officials in Washinton than there are Democrats
Learn your own damm country..
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so it explains a lot
I know my country. I also know what you said. You attributed the unpopularity of Congress to Republican politicians being the majority. I merely pointed out the stupidity of that statement and that Congress has been unpopular no matter which party is in power.
Perhaps fewer stupid statements from you regarding American politics are in order. Perhaps some day you'll have the wisdom to know that the main difference between parties here is not that one won't fuck you and the other will, but that the two parties simply fuck you in different ways.
Should that day arrive, you'll might actually have some interesting insights into American politics. Perhaps, but not likely.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said: Marbury v. Madison
I'm aware of Marby v. Madison but thanks.
Whether they had the power 212 years ago or 213, it's the accepted system today and has been for 2 centuries.
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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It isn't even what most people think it is and it most certainly was not universally supported by the founders.
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21898177 - 07/04/15 07:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Whether they had the power 212 years ago or 213, it's the accepted system today and has been for 2 centuries.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21898190 - 07/04/15 07:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: Marbury v. Madison
I'm aware of Marby v. Madison but thanks.
Whether they had the power 212 years ago or 213, it's the accepted system today and has been for 2 centuries.
i thought this thread was about what the founders would think...
i'm just saying, jeffereson and madison might not like where SCOTUS ended up powerwise.
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: ballsalsa]
#21898194 - 07/04/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: i thought this thread was about what the founders would think...
It's a rare event indeed when a thread stays completely on topic.
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i'm just saying, jeffereson and madison might not like where SCOTUS ended up powerwise.
And they might like it very much. We'll never know.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21898218 - 07/04/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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but we can make an educated guess that since they definitely didn't like the result of Marbury v Madison, its likely that they would not like the far sweeping powers granted by that decision.
BTW, just because its been accepted for 2 centuries, doesn't mean congress couldn't challenge it now or in the future.
(personally, i think it makes sense, especially since amendments could be made to the constitution at any time if enough people disagree with SCOTUS)
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21898236 - 07/04/15 07:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said:
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Patlal said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
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Patlal said: Well, if you take all the elected official, most of them are Republicans so it explains a lot
Are all Canadians so naive or is it just you?

Note that Americans, rightly, dislike Congress mo matter who's in charge.
Also note, the highest ratings were for Republican congresses.
2012 House seats:
Rep: 234 Dem: 201
2014 Senate seats:
Dem: 53 Rep: 45
Total:
Rep: 279 Dem: 250
Republicans wins, thefore I'm right, there are more republican elected officials in Washinton than there are Democrats
Learn your own damm country..
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so it explains a lot
I know my country. I also know what you said. You attributed the unpopularity of Congress to Republican politicians being the majority. I merely pointed out the stupidity of that statement and that Congress has been unpopular no matter which party is in power.
Perhaps fewer stupid statements from you regarding American politics are in order. Perhaps some day you'll have the wisdom to know that the main difference between parties here is not that one won't fuck you and the other will, but that the two parties simply fuck you in different ways.
Should that day arrive, you'll might actually have some interesting insights into American politics. Perhaps, but not likely.
I admire your cynicism.
So basically, the government is your enemy and it'll fuck you over no matter what. With that mentality, your country will achieve nothing.
When you guys start seeing your government as an ally to your own success, maybe things will get better. The government is your goaltender, it keeps you in the game. You guys have to go out there and score the goals.
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: ballsalsa] 1
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Well, regardless of everyone's personal opinion. I think most of us can agree to come together over the next couple of hours and do what Americans do best. BLOW SHIT UP! Enjoy the firework festivities everyone!
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: Patlal]
#21898320 - 07/04/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Patlal said: I admire your cynicism.
You should.
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So basically, the government is your enemy and it'll fuck you over no matter what. With that mentality, your country will achieve nothing.
Nope. With that mentality, the people keep a closer eye on their elected officials. A government needs to earn the trust of its people. Sadly, ours has not.
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When you guys start seeing your government as an ally to your own success, maybe things will get better. The government is your goaltender, it keeps you in the game. You guys have to go out there and score the goals.
Fortunately, enough of us recognize what shitbags the stupidity of many Americans has saddled us with. A limited government is the best government. The government commits the fouls, the referees (courts and people) keep them mostly in line.
R. Reagan said some dumb things, he said some wise ones. One of his wisest was: “In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.”
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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and one of his dumbest: "If you've seen one redwood, you've seen them all."
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: ballsalsa]
#21898341 - 07/04/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: but we can make an educated guess that since they definitely didn't like the result of Marbury v Madison, its likely that they would not like the far sweeping powers granted by that decision.
There's not much point in guessing what people thought 200 years ago.
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BTW, just because its been accepted for 2 centuries, doesn't mean congress couldn't challenge it now or in the future.
Congress has the power. Congress is feckless.
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(personally, i think it makes sense, especially since amendments could be made to the constitution at any time if enough people disagree with SCOTUS)
I'm partial to the current system, though I don't always agree with the decisions.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: ballsalsa]
#21898353 - 07/04/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: and one of his dumbest: "If you've seen one redwood, you've seen them all."
Actually, like many statements attributed to people, he did not say that... though it was a paraphrase of one of his comments.
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/reagan/redwoods.asp
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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you are correct. here is the correct quote: "...you know, a tree is a tree, how many more do you need to look at?"
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: Ncogneato]
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i think they;d be too busy sucking dick to notice anything. same with all the others involved in politics.
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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: zZZz]
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They would probably be sitting there shaking their heads in what this country has become politically. Sure you could say things are more complex now for many reasons perhaps bringing new challenge but its still life on earth now just how it was back in the days. I can picture them laughing being that many things have happened that they warned would happen if things moved in a certain direction. http://www.bartleby.com/268/8/12.html
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