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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: twighead]
    #21896592 - 07/04/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah.  I don't think they foresaw that


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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21896603 - 07/04/15 12:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

the court interprets the law. it does not legislate.

and, you gotta remember zappa, the first ten amendments came packed into the constitution. 17 amendments since ratification in 1787 is not that many times.

congress by its very nature has always been a piece of shit. this is why the legislature needs additional checks from the people via the executive and judicial branches.


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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: millzy]
    #21896622 - 07/04/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It has legislated many times.  Roe v Wade was legislation.  The SSM ruling was legislation.  The Constitution is silent on abortion and marriage and they just invented stuff.  Roberts twisted himself into a pretzel to save the ACA.  There is a wing of the court that just does not give a shit about what the text of the law or Constitution is and thinks they can read minds.  There were simple legislative remedies to all of those examples but they jumped in. 

Imma gonna marry my cats because I need to be equally protected.  I can also get a tax write-off for them as dependents.


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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21896636 - 07/04/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

and again, that is based on your perspective, which in this case is completely erroneous. i'm not going to get into this retarded argument with you again lol.


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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: millzy]
    #21896666 - 07/04/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It is actually a fairly well respected legal argument that many very serious legal scholars agree with.  But. like I said, Imma go with the majority opinion and marry my cats and get a tax deduction for them as dependents


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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: twighead] * 1
    #21896851 - 07/04/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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They'd probably be confused at congress having a 15% approval rating yet continually being re-elected.




This does seem a bit peculiar doesn't it?


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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: Ncogneato]
    #21896936 - 07/04/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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twighead said:
They'd probably be confused at congress having a 15% approval rating yet continually being re-elected.




This does seem a bit peculiar doesn't it?




Well, if you take all the elected official, most of them are Republicans so it explains a lot


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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: Ncogneato]
    #21897106 - 07/04/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think a lot of them would b pissed to see the slaves freed. Other then that if say George Washington was ploped in modern day New York for example He'd shit himself. 'm sure greasy foods would be a new amazing venue,as well as drugs and alcohol. I think they'd be proud especially considering we started with 13 colonies.


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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: Patlal]
    #21897308 - 07/04/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Well, if you take all the elected official, most of them are Republicans so it explains a lot




Are all Canadians so naive or is it just you?



Note that Americans, rightly, dislike Congress mo matter who's in charge.

Also note, the highest ratings were for Republican congresses.


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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21897387 - 07/04/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It continues to amaze me that even though he is shown to be wrong about America over and over he still opens his Canuck piehole ignorantly.  I don't get it.  The Europeans are almost as bad.  They have zero understanding of the country and just blather bullshit


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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21897545 - 07/04/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Coming from the guy who thinks it's not the job of the Supreme Court to decide on the constitutionality of laws, that doesn't mean much.


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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21897559 - 07/04/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I do think it is their job.  I think they are doing more than that.


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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21897622 - 07/04/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I do think it is their job.  I think they are doing more than that.




Really?

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There was no reason at all for the SCOTUS to get involved.




You mean other than it being their job?

Frankly, based on your performance and statements in that 'other' thread, you really don't have much to say about what Patlal knows and doesn't.


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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: Ncogneato]
    #21897636 - 07/04/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't really give a shit what the forefathers would think because they're all dead and buried. I care more about what people today think.


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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: nicechrisman] * 1
    #21897666 - 07/04/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't really give a shit what the forefathers would think because they're all dead and buried. I care more about what people today think.



So the official story says...



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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21897671 - 07/04/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It wasn't their job to weigh in on SSM.  It was being handled legislatively and electorally.  There is nothing in the Constitution about marriage.  Or abortion.  I think Scalia knows more than you and Patlal.  The case never should have been taken.  One man decided this, Anthony Kennedy.  I do not understand why you think that one man should have that much power when there is plenty of recourse for legislative relief.  Somebody has already filed for a second wife under the equal protection doctrine. Why not?  It makes just as much sense.
I'm going to marry my cats soon and get tax deductions for them as dependents.


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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: twighead]
    #21897672 - 07/04/15 05:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I must admit I was quite surprised when I learned that Lincoln was a vampire hunter


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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21897688 - 07/04/15 05:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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It wasn't their job to weigh in on SSM.  It was being handled legislatively and electorally.  There is nothing in the Constitution about marriage.  Or abortion.  I think Scalia knows more than you and Patlal.  The case never should have been taken.  One man decided this, Anthony Kennedy.  I do not understand why you think that one man should have that much power when there is plenty of recourse for legislative relief.  Somebody has already filed for a second wife under the equal protection doctrine. Why not?  It makes just as much sense.
I'm going to marry my cats soon and get tax deductions for them as dependents.




:lolsy: :lolsy: :lolsy: :lolsy:

Right.

:lmafo: :lmafo: :lmafo: :lmafo:

On that case, Patlal clearly has a better grasp of the system than you.


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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: Ran-D]
    #21897691 - 07/04/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Ran-D said:
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Anyone who thinks they know the opinions of men who were alive hundreds of years ago is completely insane.







so you don't think anything can be inferred about a person's opinions from their writings and recorded deeds?


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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21897698 - 07/04/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

They were rather prolific but not always in agreement.  That is why it is important to follow the exact text of what they did agree on.


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