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OfflineNcogneato
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America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve?
    #21896089 - 07/04/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

What do you think our fore fathers would would say about the country they founded today? Would they approve our structure? Our use of the constitution? What do you think they would have to say about modern politics. Did we fulfill their vision? Would they be satisfied or would they pissed off and end up getting locked up and silenced for "treason"?

Happy Independence Day my fellow Americans. I wish everyone a safe and happy holiday. And remember; don't be afraid to speak your mind and stand up for your rights. In today's world the line between traitor and patriot is often skewed in the name of special interest, money, and "political correctness". Try not to lose sight of what is really going on around you.


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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: Ncogneato] * 2
    #21896113 - 07/04/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think they'd probably really like the internet because they were worldly men of science and reason and would find the wealth of information and ease of correspondance a great tool.  They would probably not watch a lot of tv or hang out very much on Twitter.

I imagine they'd be opposed to the campaign finance situation and would wish they had added something to the constitution to  prevent it.

They might call the Supreme Court a laughing stock and be extremely ashamed at the laughable way the judges try to bend reason toward their point of view instead of the other way around.

They would be very against the federal Reserve and the reach of corporations into personal liberty.

I don't know if they would mount a revolution over those grievances though.  They'd probably spend a lot of time trying to educate people and motivate them to vote. 

They'd pbobably be appalled by voter turnout numbers.


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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: Senor_Doobie] * 2
    #21896116 - 07/04/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

They would see that weed is illegal and they would be appalled


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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #21896118 - 07/04/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

They would shake their head in disgust at the ways our constitutional rights are being violated legally and at the liberal agenda being pushed in this country.


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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #21896139 - 07/04/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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OhMrJohnson said:
They would see that weed is illegal and they would be appalled





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luvdemboomers said:
They would shake their head in disgust at the ways our constitutional rights are being violated legally and at the liberal agenda being pushed in this country.




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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #21896143 - 07/04/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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luvdemboomers said:
They would shake their head in disgust at the ways our constitutional rights are being violated legally and at the liberal agenda being pushed in this country.




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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21896172 - 07/04/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

They wouldn't even know where to begin to criticize. Look around you, what they created its absolutely astounding, it's very unlikely they would be anything but overwhelmingly proud. Let's not forget they were merely humans with their own shortcomings and personal idiosyncrasies, not demigods. Would they approve of gay marriage? Probably not. Not like it matters, it wasn't on their radar remotely, besides they owned slaves... go USA you don't have to perfect to get shit fine! Best place on the planet even with the shortcomings!


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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: Ncogneato]
    #21896178 - 07/04/15 10:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

They'd probably shit themselves, have a heart attack, and die.

Wouldn't help that I'd be sharing all of our modern renovations to the world of scat porn. Country loving man with brown wooden teeth? Meet the wood loving, country sized woman with brown teeth.


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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: Ncogneato] * 1
    #21896191 - 07/04/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Anyone who thinks they know the opinions of men who were alive hundreds of years ago is completely insane.


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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: Ran-D]
    #21896211 - 07/04/15 10:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

they would prob think we were a bunch of whining pussies and how their generation actually did stuff that matters n stuff. :oldman2:


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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #21896245 - 07/04/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I suspect they would regret making Supreme Court judges so powerful with lifetime tenure.  I also think they would regret not being more clear on the Commerce Clause, probably the biggest single cause of mischief.


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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #21896254 - 07/04/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Given there was no income tax for the first 100 yrs of this country, when companies paid tax not humans before we were corperate persons, and tax and tyranny were why they revolted, i'd say most would be pretty pissed.

Ya know, to start..


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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21896341 - 07/04/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
I suspect they would regret making Supreme Court judges so powerful with lifetime tenure.  I also think they would regret not being more clear on the Commerce Clause, probably the biggest single cause of mischief.




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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: MichAnon.ael]
    #21896404 - 07/04/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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MichAnon.ael said:
Given there was no income tax for the first 100 yrs of this country, when companies paid tax not humans before we were corperate persons, and tax and tyranny were why they revolted, i'd say most would be pretty pissed.

Ya know, to start..



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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #21896411 - 07/04/15 11:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

They would probably think "What the fuck did we do..."

Also "Please get your shit together, we left you a beautiful thing and now you are fucking it up"


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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: Ran-D]
    #21896423 - 07/04/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Anyone who thinks they know the opinions of men who were alive hundreds of years ago is completely insane.




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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21896446 - 07/04/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
I suspect they would regret making Supreme Court judges so powerful with lifetime tenure.




you would probably be wrong about that because marbury v. madison, the case that gave rise to the court's power (i.e. judicial review), happened during the time of the founders. that would probably not be as surprising as the strength of the executive branch. i also think they would be absolutely disgusted by the rigid two-party system as well as the level of influence money has over policy, especially at the level of state politics.


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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: millzy]
    #21896534 - 07/04/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: millzy]
    #21896543 - 07/04/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I suspect they would regret making Supreme Court judges so powerful with lifetime tenure.




you would probably be wrong about that because marbury v. madison, the case that gave rise to the court's power (i.e. judicial review), happened during the time of the founders. that would probably not be as surprising as the strength of the executive branch. i also think they would be absolutely disgusted by the rigid two-party system as well as the level of influence money has over policy, especially at the level of state politics.



I suspect that they would be dismayed at the legislating by the court that has gone on of late and also the near impossibility of passing a Constitutional amendment these days.  They passed a shitload of them themselves.


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Re: America's Fore Fathers: Would they approve? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21896590 - 07/04/15 12:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

They'd probably be confused at congress having a 15% approval rating yet continually being re-elected.


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