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Spawning BRF cakes to bulk(tray)
#21895904 - 07/04/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ok, so im going to attempt a monotub grow soon, actually im making the lids today, but im thinking about using a couple jars of BRF to spawn to some trays in my extra SGFC.
I have a couple questions;
Should i spawn the BRF cakes to a pastuerized coir/verm/gypsum mix? If not what would be sufficient.
also, what is the spawn ratio for each tray?
do you dunk the cakes before spawning to bulk?
And just to make sure, you cover the tray(s) with aluminum foil, poke a couple holes in it, cover them with micropore tape, and then let them sit in a SAB or whatever ffor a couple weeks. Then when time to fruit, you case it and place in the SGFC.Right?
thanks guys, if i have anything wrong please correct me and explain why its wrong.
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to bulk(tray) [Re: firstTIMER420]
#21895938 - 07/04/15 08:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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my first bulk was 1/2 pint BRF>2 pints coir/verm/coffee. u can do that, just skip the coffee until u get a handle on bulk. i didn't really follow a coir prep tek when i did it, i hydrated a brick with warm water, took out 2 pints, put that in zip lock bag, push air out, sealed it and let it sit in boiling water for an hour. once cooled, i mixed in a small tray. you don't need to put holes in the foil, its not tight enough to restrict gas exchange. after about 5-7 days, post a picture of it, but it should be all white, and u can then put it into ur properly built SGFC to fruit
   
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to bulk(tray) [Re: blindingleaf]
#21896084 - 07/04/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I used these sterilite trays:

Came in a four pack. Drilled two 1/4 in holes and stuffed with polyfil. I split one cake between two and then did one in one for comparison. I used hpoo/verm. They are still recovering/colonizing so I can't give you results but they are pretty perfect size trays for cakes IMO
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to bulk(tray) [Re: firstTIMER420]
#21897421 - 07/04/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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firstTIMER420 said: Should i spawn the BRF cakes to a pastuerized coir/verm/gypsum mix?
Yes!
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also, what is the spawn ratio for each tray?
1:2
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do you dunk the cakes before spawning to bulk?
No! Dunking is for PF Tek. Your sub will have enough moisture.
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And just to make sure, you cover the tray(s) with aluminum foil, poke a couple holes in it, cover them with micropore tape, and then let them sit in a SAB or whatever ffor a couple weeks. Then when time to fruit, you case it and place in the SGFC.Right?
Yes!
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to bulk(tray) [Re: ShroominMe]
#21897580 - 07/04/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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brf>coir tends to dry out pretty quickly. I keep the coir pretty wet when adding to the spawn and it's still pretty dry by full colonization. I just mist heavily after it's fully colonized and they tend to pin a day or 2 later.
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to bulk(tray) [Re: GreenRabbit]
#21903042 - 07/05/15 09:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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gotcha about the coir.
can you give me an example about the ratio 1:2. Like 1 jar to 2 ?? of spawn?
Also, what size trays do you use? and what ratio should you use for the size trays
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to bulk(tray) [Re: firstTIMER420]
#21903123 - 07/05/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I used 1 quart of spawn and 2 quarts of hpoo/straw
In a deep oven pan it colonized nicely
I spawned them june 24th And this picture is from July 2nd
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firstTIMER420
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a 50/50 hpoo/straw mix?
and about how long does it take to colonize?
the casing is added when fruiting on trays right?
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to bulk(tray) [Re: firstTIMER420]
#21904557 - 07/06/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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firstTIMER420 said: can you give me an example about the ratio 1:2. Like 1 jar to 2 ?? of spawn?
Also, what size trays do you use? and what ratio should you use for the size trays
I like to have it colonize fast so I do around 3:4::Spawn:Coir/Verm 1:2 can work but it takes longer to colonize, and I'm not sure it improves yield more than the 3:4. I wouldn't go any lower than 1:2::Spawn:Coir/Verm
I use monotubs not trays. I have 5 PF jars left from before I started agar, I'm going to use a 30qt tub as a minimono this time, but in the past I've used 66 qt tubs. Upgrading the big tub to 70 so I can redo the FAE holes.
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to bulk(tray) [Re: GreenRabbit]
#21904864 - 07/06/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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so when doing the mini mono you use the PF jars, which are half pint
and for the 3:4 ratio, that's 3quarts to 4 quarts right? The coir/verm mix is 50/50 or 75/25?
reason im asking is because I want to figure out what to do with my PF jars to make them useful after I switch to grains.
Im thinking about using 10x10 trays when doing the trays with my PF jars. So, for the ratio using half pint PF jars, would it still be the same ratio or be increased since the original ratio(I think) is with quart jars?
-For a 10x10 tray, im thinking about doing 3BRF/PF cakes and crumbling them with 3-4quarts of coir/verm
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to bulk(tray) [Re: firstTIMER420]
#21905011 - 07/06/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Between 1:2 and 3:4 for any size. I use about 25% verm in my coir/verm mix. I think leaving out the verm would make a small difference, if any.
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to bulk(tray) [Re: GreenRabbit]
#21905160 - 07/06/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah I did smaller ratios to see if I could really stretch my jars. My 1/6 is almost fully colonized- I'd expect my 1/12s to be done by this time next week.
I can definitely see 1/2 being better for a lot of reasons: 1 you wait less (which everyone can get on board with!) and 2: the fact that you have to wait less means less time for contams to get a foothold. If my trays turn out alright I think what I'll do in the future (since I have limited space) is spawn 3 1/2 and 3 1/12(or 1/6 depending on this experiment) so by the time the 1/2s are done the 1/12s are ready.
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to bulk(tray) [Re: GreenRabbit]
#21907306 - 07/06/15 09:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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gotcha, I think ill go with 2:5 and see how that works, its stretching it a little bit but not too much.
also, 25% verm will do? can you give me an example of what weights you use for that mix as well, for one tray(and the size of the tray if you can)
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to bulk(tray) [Re: firstTIMER420]
#21907631 - 07/06/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't do trays, I use monotubs and line the whole bottom. I work with 66qt tubs but I am upgrading to a 70qt tub and a 30qt for miniprojects.
I don't know how much of an impact the verm has. 25% is fine, less probably won't be any different really. You can do a low ratio like you want to, it will take longer to colonize. Contam chances are pretty low with coir though, I don't even pasteurize; I just prep the coir with boiling water.
I don't have weights; I just eyeball the amount of coir I need, add boiling water, then throw in verm and a handful of gypsum. Let cool and then mix in spawn in the tub. Use a liner to avoid side pins when the sub shrinks.
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to bulk(tray) [Re: GreenRabbit]
#21907644 - 07/06/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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that whatsup, i am also doing 2 monotubs, but i wanted to try some trays as well. you use that amount of spawn for a 66qt monotub? damn, that's ballsy, but hey, if it works it works.
maybe you should write a coir/verm prep tek, i for one would be interested in reading/following it. (preferable with some tangible measurements lol.
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to bulk(tray) [Re: firstTIMER420]
#21907675 - 07/06/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I can use 5 cakes to do a 66qt, but having more is better. My subs are under 2 inches thick when I only have 5 cakes to spawn. That's why I got the 30qt tub. That's why I switched to agar and grain. Make more spawn in less time.
I may do a write-up but I'm pretty over BRF and PF tek now.
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