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Trying to grow small bulk in a seed tray.. So far so good, pics - UPDATE
    #21895734 - 07/04/15 06:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So my first ever try at growing was ms on pf Tek.  That was fun!! One cake worked, but only launched one shroom plus a few stumps.  I put that down to genetics mainly.  Still fun though.

I only had one syringe, but it got me far! I was even able to knock up 2 rye jars successfully on my first try using the Bitches Tek.  So next step was to bulk these out.  I did so using the d5050 mix with some added gypsum.

What I can say is that I did NOT like SGFC.  I know that's blasphemy here at the shroomery, but it's my experience.  Finding the space for it was hard when I had to factor in the clearance for air.  It was also a large eyesore for my wife.  I really disliked perlite, even with window screen.  Plus I had humidity issues.  It was a messy, obstructive device that just didn't work for me. 

So I've now filled my rye/coir/verm in to this garden seed propagator that I use regularly to head start vegetables.  If this works, I'll be so happy.
This thing is small, discrete, and opaque based, clear topped, and really ideally sized for a nice personal grow.

I do spray and fan as reg as possible.

Here are some pics which I'll continue to update.  I'll let the forum know how this works/ or not, but please do offer tips if u think I'm missing something obvious.



Edited by Hari Krishroom (09/15/15 01:21 PM)


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Re: Trying to grow small bulk in a seed tray.. So far so good, pics [Re: Hari Krishroom]
    #21895781 - 07/04/15 07:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thats cool. Does the handle part on top have a vent?


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Re: Trying to grow small bulk in a seed tray.. So far so good, pics [Re: Grey]
    #21895789 - 07/04/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There are two small rectangular holes in the black plastic which appear to have a slide that can cover or open them.

OP why not put some holes in that thing with poly and make a legit mono?


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Re: Trying to grow small bulk in a seed tray.. So far so good, pics [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21895863 - 07/04/15 08:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks... So right, there are 2 sliders.  I open and close those at will... Not sure if there is an optimum on when and how long they should be left open, so would appreciate any words on this.

Re monotub, would you say 2 holes on the long sides?  Higher, lower, middle?  I have checked the forum but this is a small box so ideal hole placement/quantity/diameter may differ?  That's a DVD case for scale btw.  My initial thoughts were that given the small size of the box, I'd be fine with some reg spraying and fanning.


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Re: Trying to grow small bulk in a seed tray.. So far so good, pics [Re: Hari Krishroom]
    #21895891 - 07/04/15 08:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You don't need the vents open now. Your sub is colonizing so it only needs GE. It's getting it from the imperfect seal of the lid. You can see evaporation around there so there's probably some air passing through.

Bottom holes would be drilled low near the surface of the substrate if you went that route. You could just play around with propping the lid up so air comes in around where the lid seats and leave the top vents open. If it's not enough FAE, then you could drill holes to up the FAE.


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Re: Trying to grow small bulk in a seed tray.. So far so good, pics [Re: Grey]
    #21896697 - 07/04/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I like it! :thumbup:
Keep us updated on your progress. :rockon:


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Re: Trying to grow small bulk in a seed tray.. So far so good, pics [Re: ShroominMe]
    #21919440 - 07/09/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Here's an update. Little pins are forming. I'm now using cocktail sticks to prop up the lid.  Hoping this doesn't allow in TOO MUCH air?



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Re: Trying to grow small bulk in a seed tray.. So far so good, pics [Re: Hari Krishroom]
    #21919475 - 07/09/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Hari Krishroom said:
So my first ever try at growing was ms on pf Tek.  That was fun!! One cake worked, but only launched one shroom plus a few stumps.  I put that down to genetics mainly.  Still fun though.

I only had one syringe, but it got me far! I was even able to knock up 2 rye jars successfully on my first try using the Bitches Tek.  So next step was to bulk these out.  I did so using the d5050 mix with some added gypsum.

What I can say is that I did NOT like SGFC.  I know that's blasphemy here at the shroomery, but it's my experience.  Finding the space for it was hard when I had to factor in the clearance for air.  It was also a large eyesore for my wife.  I really disliked perlite, even with window screen.  Plus I had humidity issues.  It was a messy, obstructive device that just didn't work for me. 

So I've now filled my rye/coir/verm in to this garden seed propagator that I use regularly to head start vegetables.  If this works, I'll be so happy.
This thing is small, discrete, and opaque based, clear topped, and really ideally sized for a nice personal grow.

I do spray and fan as reg as possible.

Here are some pics which I'll continue to update.  I'll let the forum know how this works/ or not, but please do offer tips if u think I'm missing something obvious.







I use humidity domes for every single grow and they seem to work just as good if not better than SGFC.

you will be pleased with the end result, my friend


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Re: Trying to grow small bulk in a seed tray.. So far so good, pics [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21919482 - 07/09/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

B+




what I like to do is to use trays/pans or whatever and stick those in the humidity domes so its like a tray inside of a tray


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Re: Trying to grow small bulk in a seed tray.. So far so good, pics [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21919567 - 07/09/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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B+




what I like to do is to use trays/pans or whatever and stick those in the humidity domes so its like a tray inside of a tray




Well that is fantastic Bill, and I can now hope for shrooms like yours!  Does your dome top have vents, and /or how do you handle fresh air and misting, if at all?  Do you have a pic of your tray and dome all assembled?

Hope you don't mind me asking, but seeing that you've had success with what I'm trying for the first time, you can help me avoid reinventing the wheel.  I'm most concerned about my cocktail stick risers! Not sure if they're a good idea.


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Re: Trying to grow small bulk in a seed tray.. So far so good, pics [Re: Hari Krishroom]
    #21919589 - 07/09/15 11:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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Here's an update. Little pins are forming. I'm now using cocktail sticks to prop up the lid.  Hoping this doesn't allow in TOO MUCH air?






That gap from the spacers looks good. The evaporation just above the gap is probably what I would shoot for. Did you leave the vents on top open?

If your sub starts to look dry just give it a good mist from a foot or two away and a quick fan just before you replace the lid.

That should give you good FAE.


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Re: Trying to grow small bulk in a seed tray.. So far so good, pics [Re: Hari Krishroom]
    #21919603 - 07/09/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I will snap a pic later...but for awhile I used the dome like you are doing. then I tried cutting 2 or 3 decent sized holes and filling them with polyfill and it works great..i now do it with every dome I have.

doesn't matter how big you cut the holes...just not HUGE. just cout out 2 or 3 nice squares and fill with polyfil. if you don't have polyfil now, then every couple of days just take the dome off and fan it out put it back on. if you do that, not having the holes wont make or break you.


it takes a little bit to get the misting down...I mist once or twice a day..a light mist to where the substrate is sparkling. then when it dries out and theres no visible signs of water/mist on top, do it again. the idea is you basically always want a little bit of mist to be absorbing into the substrate.


edit: I have come to find that fanning is no good for these domes. take the lid off and fan the lid out...do not fan the substrate.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Trying to grow small bulk in a seed tray.. So far so good, pics [Re: Grey]
    #21919668 - 07/09/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Grey said:

That gap from the spacers looks good. The evaporation just above the gap is probably what I would shoot for. Did you leave the vents on top open?

If your sub starts to look dry just give it a good mist from a foot or two away and a quick fan just before you replace the lid.

That should give you good FAE.




I actually took your initial advice Grey and left the vents closed.  I saw pins just this morning and have now opened the vents half way AND propped up the lid with the sticks.  The propping up was also your idea :smile:

I still spray regularly to a glisten, and then fan.

Now let's see how they develop.  If this works for me as it has for Bill, then this is definitely a simple way to go.  If I get even one strong specimen, I'll also be trying agar for the first time too.  Fun days ahead!


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Re: Trying to grow small bulk in a seed tray.. So far so good, pics [Re: Hari Krishroom]
    #21919675 - 07/09/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

OP..what I do is when waiting for colonization I cove the tray in tin foil and just leave the dome out. then when its fully colonized and ready to fruit, ill take the foil off and put the dome on...with vents open and such.

so really I never have my vents closed


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Trying to grow small bulk in a seed tray.. So far so good, pics [Re: Hari Krishroom]
    #21919711 - 07/09/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That sounds good. Looking forward to the results.


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Re: Trying to grow small bulk in a seed tray.. So far so good, pics [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21919749 - 07/09/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:
I will snap a pic later...but for awhile I used the dome like you are doing. then I tried cutting 2 or 3 decent sized holes and filling them with polyfill and it works great..i now do it with every dome I have.




so you turn your dome into a monotub! good thinking.

it looks like you're drying your sub surface real fast this way OP.


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Re: Trying to grow small bulk in a seed tray.. So far so good, pics [Re: spacechildo]
    #21920109 - 07/09/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I love Bill O'Reilly.


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Re: Trying to grow small bulk in a seed tray.. So far so good, pics [Re: spacechildo]
    #22241355 - 09/15/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

A few months old but I wanted to update this post on how I got along with my amazing idea to use this seed propagation tray with matching dome.

So... It failed..  I got hit with trich probably because I had to keep taking the lid off to fan.  There was simply no way to "dial in" and retain the correct internal environment. 

If you have a similar idea, learn from me and just don't bother.  When SpaceChild kept banging on about a monotub, I wrote it off.  But the plain simple truth is that I have since tried a monotub, and it has fruited FABULOUSLY.  No contams.

What I'm saying is there's not much point in trying too many new things, simply because we have in a monotub something that just works with such little effort.  WAY BETTER THAN AN SGFC... which incidentally ive tried too.

I move my monotub around just for fun.  It's like a loved pet.  if the weather is nice I stick it in the garden, and then when it gets cold I bring it back in.  I never open the lid, and rather use the "dial in" method to set my polyfil just right.  Every morning I stare at it and admire the elegant white greenless planes.  IT JUST WORKS so well for so many reasons.  It requires barely any maintenance (compare SGFC!).  No spraying, no fanning... and note... this is a plain old monotub tek, no modifications.  This is THE way to grow for anybody as far as I'm concerned.

In conclusion, stop farting around, and just make yourself a monotub to spec.


Edited by Hari Krishroom (09/18/15 07:06 AM)


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Re: Trying to grow small bulk in a seed tray.. So far so good, pics - UPDATE [Re: Hari Krishroom]
    #27180952 - 02/01/21 12:35 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Hi, I’m new here...well I also stalked for a long time 😀

Glad to see this topic because I’m about to try this sort of setup myself.
I had read some comments on other sites about pretty much keeping the top vent ports in the top closed or almost completely closed in Order for things to really take off.

There is also a company (sorry I forget the name) that makes a humidity dome that is set up more like a monotub as far as hole placement goes. I may end up experimenting with modifying what I have in the future if need be


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