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Re: 9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable [Re: d33p]
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These things happen, a few years ago an airliner was hijacked with a fire extinguisher and a bottle of whiskey, unfortunately it ended up crashing into the sea.


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Re: 9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable [Re: Phred]
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You are of course aware that prior to 9/11, military planes were scrambled to intercept such stray planes in only roughly 25% of the cases. Yes, I know.... everyone always brings up Payne Webber's (or whatever the name of that golfer is) plane being intercepted when it went astray. No one ever brings up the over three hundred such incidents in the preceding year where fighters weren't scrambled.

first, where do you get your 25% figure?

second, of those 75% of cases where fighters weren't scrambled,
how many of those cases included commericial airliners with
more than 50 passengers?

third, payne stewart.


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Re: 9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable [Re: afoaf]
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first, where do you get your 25% figure?

FAA figures. There's a link to the site somewhere back in the posts from over a year ago when all the tinfoil hat crowd were going on about this. When the search function is up again, you could dig it up. The figures were something like (don't quote me on it, but it's pretty close) -- in the sixteen months (or fourteen or twelve or eighteen -- can't remember exactly) prior to 9/11, there were 426 (or thereabouts -- more than 400 but less than 450) incidents that met all the necessary criteria for the scramble of military interceptors. Interceptors were in fact scrambled just over 100 times. Thus my rough figure of 25%.

second, of those 75% of cases where fighters weren't scrambled,
how many of those cases included commericial airliners with
more than 50 passengers?

Dunno. But I presume any commercial airliner, even a FedEx 757 full of nothing but crew and packages and fuel, would have made quite a mess if crashed into a building.

The point is that everyone is treating the lack of immediate scrambling as some kind of amazing, unusual, never-before-heard-of event when in fact it was the norm.

third, payne stewart.

Yeah, that's the guy.

pinky


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Re: 9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable [Re: Swami]
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Swami writes:

So we need a 911-type incident to prevent a 911-type incident?

Yup. We needed a WWII type incident to prevent another WWII type incident.

So it WAS preventable, but those in charge were incompetent or lackadaisical.

*In most patient voice* Yes, Swami, that is my point entirely. That is why I made the WWII reference, and pointed out Clinton's incompetence and lackadaisical attitude towards bin Laden.

The point is, the title of the post is one of those "Well, DUH!" meaningless catchphrases that no one with an ounce of sense needed to have pointed out to him. OF COURSE it could have been prevented. We needed no commission to tell us that.

pinky


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Re: 9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable [Re: Phred]
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I'm happy this issue is getting press. Olberman was talking about it on "Countdown".




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Re: 9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable [Re: Learyfan]
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Learyfan said:
I'm happy this issue is getting press. Olberman was talking about it on "Countdown".


But did he add this tidbit .......
Thursday, Dec. 18, 2003 10:55 p.m. EST
9/11 Chair: There's No Evidence to Blame Clinton or Bush Teams

WASHINGTON ? The chairman of a federal commission looking into the Sept. 11 attacks said Thursday that mistakes over many years left the United States vulnerable to such an attack, but he resisted pinning blame on either of the last two presidential teams.

"We have no evidence that anybody high in the Clinton administration or the Bush administration did anything wrong," chairman Thomas Kean said in an interview with ABC's "Nightline" taped for airing Thursday night.

Kean said the 10-member National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States has not decided whether to ask former President Clinton or President Bush to testify. He also said that any conclusions about the performance of high-level officials "will be reached when we are finished with our job, not now."

Kean sought to clarify remarks attributed to him in a CBS News report that aired Wednesday.

In the CBS interview, Kean said the commission's report, due May 27, will detail "what wasn't done and what should have be done" to prevent the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

He added, "There are people that, if I was doing the job, would certainly not be in the position they were in at that time because they failed."

CBS reported that Kean's comments constituted "pointing fingers inside the (Bush) administration and laying blame."

On Thursday, Democratic presidential candidate Wesley Clark labeled Kean's statements "disturbing" and said they showed the Bush administration could have done more to protect America from a terrorist attack.

Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., said Kean's comments meant "that Bush administration officials had valuable information that could have prevented the terrorist attacks."

But Kean said in Thursday's interview that he did not mean to suggest that certain federal officials should have been fired after Sept. 11. He said he was commenting on obvious mistakes that were made, such as letting terrorists into the country and letting dangerous items onto planes.

"There are a number of steps along the way, that if they had occurred differently, this event wouldn't have occurred," he said.

White House press secretary Scott McClellan said he reviewed the CBS report and did not believe Kean leveled accusations against the Bush administration.

"There is nothing that we have seen that leads us to believe that Sept. 11 could have been prevented," McClellan said.

Kean, a former Republican governor of New Jersey, was appointed by Bush to lead the bipartisan commission.


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