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OfflineDeviate
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Re: Question of forgiveness, God, and death. [Re: LoveNaborFuckHater]
    #21902698 - 07/05/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well the church doesnt exactly say you will go to hell if you miss a Mass, there is always the possibility you could be forgiven through what the church calls......hmm I forget what the church calls it but there is a way sins can be forgiven aside from confession.

Also if you sin and you intend to confess it, but you die before you make it confession you will still be saved. So all you would really need to do is intend to confess missing Mass and you wouldn't go to hell.

But I agree that the teaching that missing Mass is a mortal sin is extremely silly and ridiculous. Especially for folks such as myself who go to daily mass most days and adoration twice a week most weeks.

You would think I would get enough extra credit for going to church so frequently that I should be forgiven for occasionally missing a Sunday Mass, but no as far as I know it is considered a mortal sin still.

Honestly I believe this teaching was created centuries ago when it is widely acknowledged (even by the Vatican) that great evil entered the Church and it began to lust for power, control and worldly riches and influence, rather than being the beacon of light and spiritual mother to the people of the world as Jesus Christ intended when he founded this church.

By making it a mortal sin to miss mass, they ensured good attendance from all faithful Catholics.  The Eastern Orthodox Church has critiszed the catholic church extensively for its focus on rules and regulations rather than the Living Truth. but what are you gonna do? I mean this is the church that God provided for me. There aren't very many Orthodox Churches near where I live.


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Re: Question of forgiveness, God, and death. [Re: LoveNaborFuckHater]
    #21902879 - 07/05/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The substance of my post was that the presence of the Catholic Church is immutable, therefore any spiritual philosophy that seeks to integrate the metamorphosis of the earth must yield to the emissary between material history and spiritual history (that is, the priestcraft of the Universal Man, Jesus Christ). This is a very different esoteric stream from those that seek elopement from the stirring of the earth, which is the affection of the primordial tradition and gnostic spirituality. It is the distinction between the school of thought that affirms the magical and miraculous in the closed cirque of time-space and the school of thought that denies the operation of the magical and miraculous in history.

The French occultist Eliphas Levi writes in Le Grand Arcane ou I'occultisme devoile ("The Great Arcanum, or Occultism Unveiled"):

The ancient rites have lost their effectiveness since Christianity appeared in the world. The Christian and Catholic religion, in fact, is the legitimate daughter of Jesus, king of the Mages. A simple scapular worn by a truly Christian person is a more in- vincible talisman than the ring and pentade of Solomon. The Mass is the most prodigious of evocations. Necromancers evoke the dead, the sorcerer evokes the devil and he shakes, but the Catholic priest does not tremble in evoking the living God. Catholics alone have priests because they alone have the altar and the offering, i.e. the whole of religion. To practise high
Magic is to compete with the Catholic priesthood; it is to be a dissident priest. Rome is the great Thebes of the new initiation . . . It has crypts for its catacombs; for talismen, its rosaries and medallions; for a magic chain, its congregations; for magnetic fires, its convents; for centres of attraction, its confessionals; for means of expansion, its pulpits and the addresses of its bishops; it has, lastly, its Pope, the Man-God rendered visible.
(Le Grande Arcane ou I'occultisme devoile, Paris, 1921, p.
67-68, 83-84)

The Petrine faculty in this regard is the 'inter-agent' between heaven and earth and is consequently the seat of objectivity. When the Gospel of Matthew speaks of the pre-ordained inability of the "gates of hell" (Portae inferi) to prevail over the birthright of St. Peter, it is of course speaking about the arbitrariness of the spirit of criticism that manifests from the 'genesiology' of gnosis without magic (i.e. knowledge that re-traces itself to spiritual heredity in contradistinction to spiritual revelation). This was true for the ancient heresies that opposed the ecclesiastic community and remains true today for the deserted luminosity of modern humanism, which sets itself up against Rome as though the moon were to deny that it receives its light from the Sun.


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Re: Question of forgiveness, God, and death. [Re: LoveNaborFuckHater]
    #21910230 - 07/07/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Purgatory is a fiction created by the RCC.


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Re: Question of forgiveness, God, and death. [Re: fivepointer]
    #21920606 - 07/09/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Plenty of people with near death experiences report Purgatory experiences.


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Re: Question of forgiveness, God, and death. [Re: Asante]
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OfflineLoveNaborFuckHater
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Re: Question of forgiveness, God, and death. [Re: pwnzer]
    #21928601 - 07/11/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

TL;DR, Read the first few paragraphs and understood where it was going


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Re: Question of forgiveness, God, and death. [Re: LoveNaborFuckHater]
    #21929473 - 07/11/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I didn't really expect anyone to read it but for anyone that wants to, it's there.


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Re: Question of forgiveness, God, and death. [Re: pwnzer]
    #21929854 - 07/11/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Is that just something written by someone in the internet, or is it a prominent figure in that belief like a creed?


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Re: Question of forgiveness, God, and death. [Re: LoveNaborFuckHater]
    #21932202 - 07/12/15 06:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

some internet person probably


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