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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: starfire_xes]
#22224428 - 09/11/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think all you Trump supporters should give this article a good, long, hard read.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/donald-trump-2016-sarah-palin-cabinet-post-120747
Trump wants Palin in his cabinet, and he is absolutely enamored with her. Read the article, because it's juicier than I can put into words lmao!
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: starfire_xes]
#22224606 - 09/11/15 10:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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airclay said: had no idea shroomery political forums were so right-wing
Ah there's a bunch of commie cunts on here too who think that there is nothing better than having government up your asshole 24-7 with a microscope controlling every aspect of your life.
Yep, most are either a right winger or a flaming pinko commie wannabe. Few fall into the reasonable middle ground like I do. I can laugh at both extremes. But the funniest by far are the loony left. I won't name any names but I hear statements all the time that would make you roll your eyes they are so ridiculous. You wait for them to say its a joke but slowly you realize they actually mean it. You want to back away quietly before anything happens but then you remember they can't pull out a gun and start blazing away even if they are nuts. So its a form of harmless amusement to read the nutty stuff and an occasional witty observation. i'll let everyone imagine how they fall on that scale.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
#22224674 - 09/11/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Astral Pain]
#22225460 - 09/12/15 01:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Astral Pain said: Trump says two years and the illegals are out.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/09/11/donald-trump-says-immigrant-deportations-done-in-two-years/
Waste of good pussy. Did you guys just miss my post about his incredible respect for Sarah Palin, and him wanting her to take a cabinet position?
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof] 1
#22225970 - 09/12/15 07:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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RE: Incentive
Sure standard of living is part of it but the data strongly suggests that fewer people hiring illegals leads to fewer in the country. They primarily come here for work. To support their families.
E-Verify and stiffer penalties for employers that break the law would create less incentive.
As far as moonbats being pro-immigrant, Bernie has voted against pro-immigrant bills that he felt would take American jobs. He is for a path to citizenship and recognizes that employers hiring illegals are just as guilty as those entering the country illegally.
His stance is a lot less hard nosed then Trump's but frankly I think Bernie's platform is both more compassionate and more realistic.
Here's a recent article.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/2016-candidate-sen-bernie-sanders-some-immigration-hurts-latino-youth-n401216
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: paperbackwriter]
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His stance is a lot less hard nosed then Trump's but frankly I think Bernie's platform is both more compassionate and more realistic.
Here's a recent article.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/2016-candidate-sen-bernie-sanders-some-immigration-hurts-latino-youth-n401216
Holy shit did you just say "compassion?" Thank you so fucking much!
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: paperbackwriter]
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paperbackwriter said: RE: Incentive
Sure standard of living is part of it but the data strongly suggests that fewer people hiring illegals leads to fewer in the country. They primarily come here for work. To support their families.
E-Verify and stiffer penalties for employers that break the law would create less incentive.
As far as moonbats being pro-immigrant, Bernie has voted against pro-immigrant bills that he felt would take American jobs. He is for a path to citizenship and recognizes that employers hiring illegals are just as guilty as those entering the country illegally.
His stance is a lot less hard nosed then Trump's but frankly I think Bernie's platform is both more compassionate and more realistic.
Here's a recent article.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/2016-candidate-sen-bernie-sanders-some-immigration-hurts-latino-youth-n401216
The funny thing is, he brings up the same negative aspects of illegals entering the US that Trump does, why isn't he a racist?
"more compassionate and realistic"
How so? He's going to crack down on employers the hire illegals, when they have no job they will have to leave the US, how much does this differ from Trump?
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: qman]
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>The funny thing is, he brings up the same negative aspects of illegals entering the US that Trump does, why isn't he a racist?
Because he is a liberal. Neither liberals or negroes can possibly be racists according to liberals.
>How so? He's going to crack down on employers the hire illegals, when they have no job they will have to leave the US, how much does this differ from Trump?
Because he is a liberal and running as a dem. When gop say it, they are mean and evil, but a liberal can say the same thing and it means they are compassionate. If that sounds illogical, its because it is liberal thinking which as you know avoids logic like Hillary avoids the truth.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: qman]
#22226067 - 09/12/15 08:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The funny thing is, he brings up the same negative aspects of illegals entering the US that Trump does, why isn't he a racist?
"more compassionate and realistic"
How so? He's going to crack down on employers the hire illegals, when they have no job they will have to leave the US, how much does this differ from Trump?
Are you blind? Trump is a republican. Just like obama doubling down on bushes policies, if a Democrap does it, its good.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: qman]
#22226080 - 09/12/15 08:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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qman said: The funny thing is, he brings up the same negative aspects of illegals entering the US that Trump does, why isn't he a racist?
Tone and where he places the blame. Did you read the article?
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"more compassionate and realistic"
How so? He's going to crack down on employers the hire illegals, when they have no job they will have to leave the US, how much does this differ from Trump?
It's more compassionate because Bernie does support a path to citizenship for immigrants that have otherwise not broken the law and have been productive members of society, even if they entered the country illegally. That's something I don't believe Trump supports. Correct me if I'm wrong.
More realistic because bullying Mexico into paying for a wall and rounding up every immigrant for deportation is not only bad foreign policy, it's expensive and brings up numerous civil rights and constitutional concerns.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
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airclay said: had no idea shroomery political forums were so right-wing
Ah there's a bunch of commie cunts on here too who think that there is nothing better than having government up your asshole 24-7 with a microscope controlling every aspect of your life.
Yep, most are either a right winger or a flaming pinko commie wannabe. Few fall into the reasonable middle ground like I do. I can laugh at both extremes. But the funniest by far are the loony left. I won't name any names but I hear statements all the time that would make you roll your eyes they are so ridiculous. You wait for them to say its a joke but slowly you realize they actually mean it. You want to back away quietly before anything happens but then you remember they can't pull out a gun and start blazing away even if they are nuts. So its a form of harmless amusement to read the nutty stuff and an occasional witty observation. i'll let everyone imagine how they fall on that scale.
"few fall into the reasonable middle ground LIKE I DO"
lololololol ok guy
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: starfire_xes]
#22226119 - 09/12/15 08:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: Are you blind? Trump is a republican.
Trump is as much a republican as Sanders is a democrat. I judge Trump on what he says and does. He lacks integrity (he's flipped on many issues prior to running I assume to appeal to the republican base). I believe he's racist judging by how long he beat the birther drum and how he talks about immigrants. He seems to have about as much knowledge about foreign affairs as I do (but I'm not running for president). He's definitely a misogynist.
I think he's striking a chord with many Americans when it comes to frustrations regarding employment and low wages and that he's tapped into that. But not in a rationalistic or compassionate manner. I think he's relating to very base emotions.
He's also a blowhard, which is why the media loves him.
None of this strikes me as good qualities for a president.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22226129 - 09/12/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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In other words, pbw, you look at the label and project your biases on him.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22226152 - 09/12/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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qman said: The funny thing is, he brings up the same negative aspects of illegals entering the US that Trump does, why isn't he a racist?
Tone and where he places the blame. Did you read the article?
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"more compassionate and realistic"
How so? He's going to crack down on employers the hire illegals, when they have no job they will have to leave the US, how much does this differ from Trump?
It's more compassionate because Bernie does support a path to citizenship for immigrants that have otherwise not broken the law and have been productive members of society, even if they entered the country illegally. That's something I don't believe Trump supports. Correct me if I'm wrong.
More realistic because bullying Mexico into paying for a wall and rounding up every immigrant for deportation is not only bad foreign policy, it's expensive and brings up numerous civil rights and constitutional concerns.
I did read the article,
"Bernie supports a path to citizenship"
He never says that in the article, yet at the same time he points out all the negative economic aspects that illegals bring into the US, why would he want them to remain in the US? It's hypocritical and makes no sense.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: qman]
#22226198 - 09/12/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: In other words, pbw, you look at the label and project your biases on him.

How did you get that from what I just said? It's like the opposite of what I said.
He's a loudmouthed racist blowhard with no experience, no integrity, and very little knowledge of international affairs. If he was a D I'd still vote Sanders.
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qman said: "Bernie supports a path to citizenship"
He never says that in the article...
From the article.
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As do the other Democratic candidates, Sanders supports a path to citizenship for immigrants not legally in the U.S. However, he said he would make the path faster than stipulated in the 2013 Senate approved immigration bill and would not tie it to border security accomplishments as that legislation does.
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qman said:... yet at the same time he points out all the negative economic aspects that illegals bring into the US, why would he want them to remain in the US? It's hypocritical and makes no sense.
Because, like it or not, they're part of our economy now and it's cheaper to help them become full citizens than it is to round them all up, deport them, and build a wall. It's also less likely to infringe on constitutional and human rights.
Going forward we can cut off the supply of illegal jobs to reduce illegals entering the country. Drug law reform, something else Bernie supports, will help greatly with the criminal element. No honey no flies.
What's Trumps stance on drug law reform?
Here's that flip flopping again.
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In 1990, Trump called for legalizing all drugs. “We’re losing badly the war on drugs. You have to legalize drugs to win that war,” he said. “You have to take the profit away from these drug czars… What I’d like to do maybe by bringing it up is cause enough controversy that you get into a dialogue on the issue of drugs so people will start to realize that this is the only answer; there is no other answer.”
But at the 2015 Conservative Political Action Conference, Trump stated that he’s against the legalization of marijuana. “I think it’s bad, and I feel strongly about that,” he said. “They’ve got a lot of problems going on right now in Colorado, some big problems.” However, when asked about the states’ rights aspect to marijuana laws, Trump said, “If they vote for it, they vote for it.
I wonder what these big problems in Colorado are. That's my home state. I've heard of reduced drunk driving incidents and a lot more tax money. The only problems that come to my mind are with edibles, one kid jumped out a window after eating too much. The state is regulating them better now in part because of that incident.
Are there other issues I don't know about or is Trump just demonizing weed to appeal to his base?
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22226231 - 09/12/15 09:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: In other words, pbw, you look at the label and project your biases on him.

How did you get that from what I just said? It's like the opposite of what I said.
He's a loudmouthed racist blowhard with no experience, no integrity, and very little knowledge of international affairs. If he was a D I'd still vote Sanders.
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qman said: "Bernie supports a path to citizenship"
He never says that in the article...
From the article.
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As do the other Democratic candidates, Sanders supports a path to citizenship for immigrants not legally in the U.S. However, he said he would make the path faster than stipulated in the 2013 Senate approved immigration bill and would not tie it to border security accomplishments as that legislation does.
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qman said:... yet at the same time he points out all the negative economic aspects that illegals bring into the US, why would he want them to remain in the US? It's hypocritical and makes no sense.
Because, like it or not, they're part of our economy now and it's cheaper to help them become full citizens than it is to round them all up, deport them, and build a wall. It's also less likely to infringe on constitutional and human rights.
Going forward we can cut off the supply of illegal jobs to reduce illegals entering the country. Drug law reform, something else Bernie supports, will help greatly with the criminal element. No honey no flies.
What's Trumps stance on drug law reform?
Here's that flip flopping again.
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In 1990, Trump called for legalizing all drugs. “We’re losing badly the war on drugs. You have to legalize drugs to win that war,” he said. “You have to take the profit away from these drug czars… What I’d like to do maybe by bringing it up is cause enough controversy that you get into a dialogue on the issue of drugs so people will start to realize that this is the only answer; there is no other answer.”
But at the 2015 Conservative Political Action Conference, Trump stated that he’s against the legalization of marijuana. “I think it’s bad, and I feel strongly about that,” he said. “They’ve got a lot of problems going on right now in Colorado, some big problems.” However, when asked about the states’ rights aspect to marijuana laws, Trump said, “If they vote for it, they vote for it.
I wonder what these big problems in Colorado are. That's my home state. I've heard of reduced drunk driving incidents and a lot more tax money. The only problems that come to my mind are with edibles, one kid jumped out a window after eating too much. The state is regulating them better now in part because of that incident.
Are there other issues I don't know about or is Trump just demonizing weed to appeal to his base?
"It's cheaper to help them become full citizens than it is to round them up, deport them, and build a wall"
Cheaper for who? The corporations that want the cheap labor to stay in the US?
Do you know how much they cost the US taxpayer per year? Over a $125 billion per year!!! Do you know how much they cost the US worker per year? It's immeasurable, trillions.
Deporting these leeches provides the greatest return on investment for US citizens than any other policy, it's a no brain-er.
"less likely to infringe on constitutional and human rights"
Nobody gave a shit when local communities got invaded by illegals, what about their rights? Why should I pay for someone who invaded my country? Is that constitutional? I'm sorry, but US citizens have already been infringed upon, it's time for illegals to go back to their homelands.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: qman]
#22226278 - 09/12/15 09:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Trump was with Jimmy Fallon yesterday.
Hilarious stuff lol
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: qman]
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qman said: "It's cheaper to help them become full citizens than it is to round them up, deport them, and build a wall"
Cheaper for who? The corporations that want the cheap labor to stay in the US?
Cheaper for everyone. The price tag for deportation ranges from $114 billion to $620 billion. I can't find the estimate for increased border security but last I looked I believe it was $17 billion per year.
This is just the non-wall portion of Trump's plan. Yeah, yeah, Mexico will pay for it and I'm sure Trump's business will reap the profits.
That aside, as I pointed out in my last post and have debated previously in this thread, like it or not illegal immigrants are ingrained in our economic system.
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Do you know how much they cost the US taxpayer per year? Over a $125 billion per year!!! Do you know how much they cost the US worker per year? It's immeasurable, trillions.
I don't know. No one does. I assume you're citing the FAIR study once again. I've already pointed out criticisms in their methodology in this thread.
As far as the U.S. worker is concerned you're painting a very black and white picture. Isn't the anti-minimum wage argument partially based on the cost of goods going up? Anyway I don't fully subscribe to that. Competition determines prices more than overhead. If we kick all the illegals out companies will still rely on cheap labor (high school drop outs and black males compete more with illegal immigrants than anyone else). Where their profit margins get so low they can't be competitive they'll invest in automation.
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Deporting these leeches provides the greatest return on investment for US citizens than any other policy, it's a no brain-er.
It's not a no brainer. The study you pull out to make this argument is full of holes and the cost of deportation is very high. The wall is what it is. If Trump gets elected and somehow gets Mexico to pay for it I'll eat my words. But I think it's a pipe dream.
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"less likely to infringe on constitutional and human rights"
Nobody gave a shit when local communities got invaded by illegals, what about their rights? Why should I pay for someone who invaded my country? Is that constitutional? I'm sorry, but US citizens have already been infringed upon, it's time for illegals to go back to their homelands.
Are you assuming I'm talking about illegal immigrants constitutional rights? I'm talking about latinos who are either citizens or live here legally being harassed by law enforcement because of skin color. Didn't we just debate stop and frisk?
The human rights concerns I have are more about detaining illegal immigrants while they await deportation. This is already an issue we're facing and one that should definitely be looked at anyway. But it's something that's going to either add to the fiscal cost or that's going to end up full of abuse.
Now can we get back to weed? Is there something going on in Colorado I'm not aware of because I haven't heard of these big problems Trump brings up?
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22226651 - 09/12/15 11:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Even Sanders acknowledges the economic hardship illegals bring to the US labor market and the economically disadvantaged. Keeping them here doesn't fix a dam problem.
Guess what? If Sanders wants to have his socialist utopia, you can't have 30 million illegals sitting there with their hands out, it won't work.
It doesn't take a fiscal genius to figure out the economic costs that illegals and their children bring to the US, we CAN'T AFFORD IT, this country is broke at the municipal, state, and federal level. There is a breaking point and resources are not infinite, deporting these leeches back makes fiscal sense, illegals didn't think about "human rights" concerns when they invaded the US, it's going to be the same policy when they are deported.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: starfire_xes]
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The funny thing is, he brings up the same negative aspects of illegals entering the US that Trump does, why isn't he a racist?
"more compassionate and realistic"
How so? He's going to crack down on employers the hire illegals, when they have no job they will have to leave the US, how much does this differ from Trump?
Are you blind? Trump is a republican. Just like obama doubling down on bushes policies, if a Democrap does it, its good. 
Bernie isn't calling them rapists or telling Jeb Bush to fire his ugly Mexican wife.
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