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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Achillita]
    #22198445 - 09/06/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It's the problem with excessive force that people are angry about. If someone actually pulls a gun and fire on the police, no one is going to get their panties in a bunch over the issue.

But when there is only the slightest sign of danger, they decide to fire on someone, that's what people are angry about. Or police beating a homeless schizophrenic man(that video was really sad:sad:) or just general abuse of power. Not all cops are bad, but we as citizens have to make sure they do not overstep the responsibility they are given.

Being a police officer can be dangerous, they knew that when they took the job. There needs to be better training in a lot of aspects for officers. Hell, even soldiers are trained to give a warning shot first in a War zone.



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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Achillita]
    #22198629 - 09/06/15 06:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It's the problem with excessive force that people are angry about. If someone actually pulls a gun and fire on the police, no one is going to get their panties in a bunch over the issue.

But when there is only the slightest sign of danger, they decide to fire on someone, that's what people are angry about. Or police beating a homeless schizophrenic man(that video was really sad:sad:) or just general abuse of power. Not all cops are bad, but we as citizens have to make sure they do not overstep the responsibility they are given.

Being a police officer can be dangerous, they knew that when they took the job. There needs to be better training in a lot of aspects for officers. Hell, even soldiers are trained to give a warning shot first in a War zone.




"It's the problem with excessive force that people are angry about"

If you remember, this controversy started with the Michael Brown case, he suckered punch a cop and then tried to kill him by stealing his gun. Wilson had no other choice but to shoot and kill, yet people still complained that he killed an innocent unarmed black college student.

Many of these people are angry for justifiable responses, that makes little sense.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: qman]
    #22198637 - 09/06/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That's an exaggeration.  Brown ran away after the gun altercation.  He had plenty of other choices that didn't involve shooting or killing Brown.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Enlil]
    #22198669 - 09/06/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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That's an exaggeration.  Brown ran away after the gun altercation.  He had plenty of other choices that didn't involve shooting or killing Brown.




That's true, one of the choices was to be killed by a charging 300 lb thug, Wilson decided otherwise.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: qman]
    #22198675 - 09/06/15 06:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Another choice was to let him run.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Achillita]
    #22198680 - 09/06/15 06:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It's the problem with excessive force that people are angry about. If someone actually pulls a gun and fire on the police, no one is going to get their panties in a bunch over the issue.

But when there is only the slightest sign of danger, they decide to fire on someone, that's what people are angry about. Or police beating a homeless schizophrenic man(that video was really sad:sad:) or just general abuse of power. Not all cops are bad, but we as citizens have to make sure they do not overstep the responsibility they are given.

Being a police officer can be dangerous, they knew that when they took the job. There needs to be better training in a lot of aspects for officers. Hell, even soldiers are trained to give a warning shot first in a War zone.




How about the homeless guy in colorado (white guy, btw hostileuniverse, so you are allowed to get up in arms about this one. Bill O'Reilly won't mind!) Who they shot because he wouldnt stand up. Pretty sure they got hit up for murder on that one.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Enlil]
    #22198696 - 09/06/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Another choice was to let him run.




Exactly!

He wasn't even trying to run though. He was a regular for the stop and frisk guys and he was tired of being stopped everywhere he went because he had been caught selling loose smokes once in the past. They didnt even catch him selling loose cigarettes in this instance, I dont believe. He was 'suspicious'. Stop and frisk is a horrible policy, and are chokeholds and murder.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Enlil]
    #22198699 - 09/06/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

There was evidence brown was not running away but was struggling with the cop when he was justifiably shot. The grand jury looked into it and their decision trumps your biased one.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Enlil]
    #22198724 - 09/06/15 06:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Another choice was to let him run.




Witnesses testified that Brown charged Wilson during the shooting, how is the option of letting him run away available under those circumstances?  It's not.

And why would anyone want a violent thug who just physically assaulted a store owner and attempted to kill a cop to get away?  It makes no sense.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: qman]
    #22198733 - 09/06/15 06:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

He didn't have to chase him at all.  When Brown took off, if the officer had let him run, Brown would be alive today, and the officer wouldn't be a killer.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22198735 - 09/06/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Another choice was to let him run.




Exactly!

He wasn't even trying to run though. He was a regular for the stop and frisk guys and he was tired of being stopped everywhere he went because he had been caught selling loose smokes once in the past. They didnt even catch him selling loose cigarettes in this instance, I dont believe. He was 'suspicious'. Stop and frisk is a horrible policy, and are chokeholds and murder.




He's not referring about that case, either way, Garner resisted arrest and started the physical altercation, he's got no one to blame but himself and his poor diet.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Enlil]
    #22198747 - 09/06/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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He didn't have to chase him at all.  When Brown took off, if the officer had let him run, Brown would be alive today, and the officer wouldn't be a killer.




So Wilson shouldn't have done his job of detaining and arresting someone who committed a crime?  Just collect a paycheck without doing his duty?


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    #22198755 - 09/06/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If it's a choice between letting some kid run away from something stupid he did and killing that kid...yes, he should have just let him go.

A cop who puts his life before the life of a civilian shouldn't be a cop.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Enlil]
    #22198778 - 09/06/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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If it's a choice between letting some kid run away from something stupid he did and killing that kid...yes, he should have just let him go.

A cop who puts his life before the life of a civilian shouldn't be a cop.




So sucker punching and trying to shoot a cop is "something stupid he did". :huxleyfacepalm:  No one agrees you let a person like that just go, completely absurd. Nice troll. :thumbup:


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: qman]
    #22198822 - 09/06/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If it's a choice between letting him go and killing him, I say let him go.  Cops frankly shouldn't even be armed with lethal weapons when on duty.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Enlil]
    #22198890 - 09/06/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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If it's a choice between letting him go and killing him, I say let him go.  Cops frankly shouldn't even be armed with lethal weapons when on duty.




Yeah, and they sure as fuck shouldn't have tanks. I saw a website for a police station in rural buttfuck nowhere that had a video of an armored tank driving around to heavy metal background music.

The cop in this case was the bigger, badder thug.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Enlil]
    #22198925 - 09/06/15 07:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

There is no evidence he was running away. Another unsupported statement from enlil based on bias.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22198949 - 09/06/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm just going by the cop's testimony.  Maybe he was lying about Brown running away:shrug:


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Enlil]
    #22199030 - 09/06/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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If it's a choice between letting him go and killing him, I say let him go.  Cops frankly shouldn't even be armed with lethal weapons when on duty.




The criminal gangs would have a field day knowing cops are patrolling unarmed in this country. No one would stay a cop for very long. :lol:


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: qman]
    #22199049 - 09/06/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The less cops the better, but I'm sure that a few would stick around.


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