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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22183554 - 09/03/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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When I think of the W. Bush years I think of 9/11, hurricane Katrina, a national recession and mortgage crisis, government bailouts, and there was a global recession:

The Great Recession was the general economic decline observed in world markets around the end of the first decade of the 21st century. The exact scale and timing of the recession is debated and varied from country to country.[1][2] In terms of overall impact, the IMF concluded that it was the worst global recession since World War II.[3][4] According to the U.S. National Bureau of Economic Research (the official arbiter of U.S. recessions) the U.S. recession began in December 2007 and ended in June 2009, and thus extended over 19 months.[5] The Great Recession was related to the U.S. financial crisis of 2007–08 and subprime mortgage crisis of 2007–09.-Wikipedia


Things are still a wreck, I'm not saying everything is perfect now, but are you guys really living worse now than under the W. Bush years? And not all of it was Bush's fault, he could not control things like the hurricane, but he really did not handle it as well as he could have...

I suppose I'll drop the topic now, because my opinions regarding it are fairly subjective.

-E. Borodin




I dont think it's subjective at all. Katrina was a great example of Bush's lack of give-a-fuck for his own people. His lack of action during Katrina could almost be viewed as treasonous.

Bush will probably go down in history as the worst president we've ever had.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22183564 - 09/03/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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>When I think of the W. Bush years I think of 9/11, hurricane Katrina...

Just stop already, you are embarrassing yourself and making all loony left wingers look stupid. You say the recession ended in '09? I've got news for you, its still going no matter how much they cook the books and lie about unemployment. The rich are doing great but the middle class and poor are not doing well at all.

Then there was the time you said things were a million times better now than when shrub was pres. Even woof knows better than that. You are taking the not so coveted position of furthest left and looniest loony. You would probably vote for the bitch or obumble again.

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>Bush will probably go down in history as the worst president we've ever had.

Nope, your man obumble has that locked up. And don't try to wrest the loony title away from coin, he is way ahead of you.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22183663 - 09/03/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Just stop already, you are embarrassing yourself and making all loony left wingers look stupid.




Every time you say things like the 'loony left' are so 'stupid', it reminds me that you have nothing valuable to contribute. Opening with ad-hominems is classic stonehenge! ;-)

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The rich are doing great but the middle class and poor are not doing well at all.




And you would have us elect a billionaire to... fix that? lmao!!!

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>Bush will probably go down in history as the worst president we've ever had.

Nope, your man obumble has that locked up. And don't try to wrest the loony title away from coin, he is way ahead of you.




Hardly. Bush was a much worse president. As I said, probably the worst we've ever had.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22183826 - 09/03/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You're a good one to whine about ad hominems when you use them all the time. You rarely do anything but repeat lame left wing rhetoric and troll. Then of course bitch about someone else trolling :rolleyes:


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
    #22184651 - 09/03/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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You're a good one to whine about ad hominems when you use them all the time. You rarely do anything but repeat lame left wing rhetoric and troll. Then of course bitch about someone else trolling :rolleyes:




I never use ad hominems or strawmen. I just don't do it. You can claim some false equivalency if you like, but it doesn't exist. Every other post you make you call someone loony or stupid. Every time you call one of us the 'loony left', you're using an ad hominem, and every time you call me an Obama supporter you're using a strawman, because you know full well that I am not an Obama fan.

A person isn't 'loony' for espousing left-wing politics. In fact, a significant portion of the modern world, some of the better economies, utilize left wing ideologies.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22184745 - 09/03/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

>I never use ad hominems or strawmen. I just don't do it.

You are more deluded than I imagined. I didn't even read the rest of your post after that woofism. You do it all the time that's why I rarely reply to you. You might be a nice guy but you've drunk the kool aid for sure.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22185603 - 09/03/15 10:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I feel like he's the only one you respond to


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22185776 - 09/03/15 10:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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A person isn't 'loony' for espousing left-wing politics. In fact, a significant portion of the modern world, some of the better economies, utilize left wing ideologies.




Some of the better economies?  Impossible.  The Historic First Black President turned the US into the Land Where Golden Unicorns Sail Across Rainbow Colored Skies, and everday is Saturday. :grin:


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: starfire_xes]
    #22185820 - 09/03/15 11:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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A person isn't 'loony' for espousing left-wing politics. In fact, a significant portion of the modern world, some of the better economies, utilize left wing ideologies.




Some of the better economies?  Impossible.  The Historic First Black President turned the US into the Land Where Golden Unicorns Sail Across Rainbow Colored Skies, and everday is Saturday. :grin:




Yeah, Obama's been a shit president in many ways. He continued way too many of Bush's policies. He's no lefty, that's for sure!


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22185828 - 09/03/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Obama is more of a conservative than Eisenhower was.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22185854 - 09/03/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Obama is more of a conservative than Eisenhower was.




Most presidents have been more conservative than Eisenhower.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22185991 - 09/04/15 12:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Eisenhower was a boss, in te Netherlands many streets and courtyards are named after him.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Turtletotem]
    #22186008 - 09/04/15 12:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Eisenhower was a boss, in te Netherlands many streets and courtyards are named after him.




Really? Wow, that's kind of surprising to me, actually.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22186533 - 09/04/15 06:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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>All I was saying is, all politics set aside, people are living better now than they were under bush.

You have not established that at all. Just saying it does not make it so. Things are worse now.




You have not established that at all. Just saying it does not make it so. Things are better now.

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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22186583 - 09/04/15 06:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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>All I was saying is, all politics set aside, people are living better now than they were under bush.

You have not established that at all. Just saying it does not make it so. Things are worse now.




You have not established that at all. Just saying it does not make it so. Things are better now.

:shrug:




If you say so.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22187700 - 09/04/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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When I think of the W. Bush years I think of 9/11, hurricane Katrina, a national recession and mortgage crisis, government bailouts, and there was a global recession:

The Great Recession was the general economic decline observed in world markets around the end of the first decade of the 21st century. The exact scale and timing of the recession is debated and varied from country to country.[1][2] In terms of overall impact, the IMF concluded that it was the worst global recession since World War II.[3][4] According to the U.S. National Bureau of Economic Research (the official arbiter of U.S. recessions) the U.S. recession began in December 2007 and ended in June 2009, and thus extended over 19 months.[5] The Great Recession was related to the U.S. financial crisis of 2007–08 and subprime mortgage crisis of 2007–09.-Wikipedia


Things are still a wreck, I'm not saying everything is perfect now, but are you guys really living worse now than under the W. Bush years? And not all of it was Bush's fault, he could not control things like the hurricane, but he really did not handle it as well as he could have...

I suppose I'll drop the topic now, because my opinions regarding it are fairly subjective.

-E. Borodin




I think he established his point here more than anyone else has. I'd also throw in 'No Child Left Behind' to his list of completely disastrous policies. Come on, George Bush had the IQ of a monkey, and kindof looked like one.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22187754 - 09/04/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

pbw, the evidence has been given over and over but with your ideological blindness, you never see it. More people than ever are on food stamps, more people than ever are working part time or have given up looking for work, the labor participation rate is the lowest its been in decades. Wall st is still doing well, if that's all you look at but not so the middle class or the ever growing under class. Plus the ever growing population of illegals taking jobs away from americans and driving down wages, that is a direct result of obumble and his policies.

I notice that the far far left always equates right wing or gop with bad and left wing or dem with good. If a liberal dem president does bad things and screws up, they don't change their way of thinking they just say he must be a right winger. If a conservative does good things, they try to give credit to the dems.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22187782 - 09/04/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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pbw, the evidence has been given over and over but with your ideological blindness, you never see it. More people than ever are on food stamps, more people than ever are working part time or have given up looking for work, the labor participation rate is the lowest its been in decades. Wall st is still doing well, if that's all you look at but not so the middle class or the ever growing under class. Plus the ever growing population of illegals taking jobs away from americans and driving down wages, that is a direct result of obumble and his policies.

I notice that the far far left always equates right wing or gop with bad and left wing or dem with good. If a liberal dem president does bad things and screws up, they don't change their way of thinking they just say he must be a right winger. If a conservative does good things, they try to give credit to the dems.




Obama has not done 'liberal dem' things. What has he done that is so Liberal? Give me your list of things that he's done that are liberal. He has continued the Bush tax cuts/trickle down, continued Bush's patriot act, continued free trade, expanded the wars, the ACA is a totally conservative healthcare plan... What makes this man a liberal?

I don't understand why conservatives won't admit that after 30 fucking years of trickle down nonsense our country is falling apart. We need to raise taxes to pre-Reagan levels. Even the GOP back in the day had much higher taxes, because it makes sense!


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22187794 - 09/04/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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pbw, the evidence has been given over and over but with your ideological blindness, you never see it. More people than ever are on food stamps, more people than ever are working part time or have given up looking for work, the labor participation rate is the lowest its been in decades. Wall st is still doing well, if that's all you look at but not so the middle class or the ever growing under class. Plus the ever growing population of illegals taking jobs away from americans and driving down wages, that is a direct result of obumble and his policies.





You're only looking at part of the picture. Since Obama has taken office long-term employment, job growth, and real weekly earnings are all up. Unemployment is down. Under Obama's administration, we've added almost 5x the number of jobs that were added during than during the Bush administration. (source)


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #22187822 - 09/04/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

All fake numbers highly massaged. The true unemployment rate is much higher, they don't count people who have used up their unemployment benefits or who have quit looking for work, so called discouraged workers. And, most of those jobs you boast of are part time jobs. Instead of adding 1000 full time jobs with full benefits, they add 2000 part time jobs with lower wages and few benefits if any.

A true workers paradise indeed. :rolleyes:


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